View previous topic :: View next topic |
Author |
Message |
Bard207 Star Player
Joined: 08 Jan 2013 Posts: 7713
|
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:36 am Post subject: |
|
|
Palin wrote: | those guys gets tons of pick for pierce and kg but we couldn't get a first rounder for pau... really annoying. Hope we can pul a s&t so we rob teams like suns robbed us. |
The Nets are fairly stretched out on picks owed and I don't recall the Nets being interested in sending out a First Round + Pierce (a large contract expiring ASAP).
Perhaps the Suns would have parted with a First Round pick if Pau had made a strong commitment to staying there beyond the season that just ended. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Jocinetu Star Player
Joined: 21 Jan 2010 Posts: 2569
|
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:42 am Post subject: |
|
|
JoJo Dancer wrote: | waited too long to trade him. They could have traded him in the summer and got a 1st like Boston did with Paul and KG. |
yep... this season disaster would be PERFECT to evaluate some young guns for seasons to come... |
|
Back to top |
|
|
BennyLava Star Player
Joined: 14 Dec 2012 Posts: 3582
|
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 6:24 am Post subject: |
|
|
Pierce and Garnett both look like they have more to offer than Pau. Pau is done, other than a few Lakers faithful who don't want to see beyond that, everyone knows.
We have tried to trade Pau over the last two seasons with no takers. There will be none in the offseason either, other than us overpaying for him. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
wolfpaclaker Retired Number
Joined: 29 May 2002 Posts: 58318
|
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 6:36 am Post subject: |
|
|
They didn't trade him for a re-build/tank package in the summer ala Boston because they didn't think it would go this bad. They were expecting to make the playoffs as a lower seed, to have Kobe back, to have Nash available and the new guys (Farmar, Wesley etc) to provide much needed fits in the MDA offense. They also expected Pau to play a lot better at C than PF.
Of course it didn't materialize that way, and they wound up without a healthy Kobe, without Nash and a bunch of role players with Pau in the middle. Clearly, that was not the Lakers plan, it was a result of the injuries.
More than keeping Pau, I do not understand the notion to try and compete with the type of teams we have in the West with what we had this year. It was quite obvious to me that this team wasn't going to do any damage unless Kobe by some miracle played like he never tore his achilles. I'm just not sure why they thought they could compete for a playoff run, we never had a strong enough team for it once Dwight walked for nothing.
BTW, if you look at it from that POV, not trading Pau made sense. The Lakers operated under a thinking that they were going for the playoffs. Boston was ready to tank from the season's start. I don't blame the Lakers for not trading Pau once they had that mindset. I just don't get why they thought they could realistically make the playoffs when the year before they won only 45 games with a much much better team that had one of the top 10 players on the league on it and a healthy Kobe Bryant. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Vancouver Fan Franchise Player
Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Posts: 17740
|
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:36 am Post subject: |
|
|
wolfpaclaker wrote: | They didn't trade him for a re-build/tank package in the summer ala Boston because they didn't think it would go this bad. They were expecting to make the playoffs as a lower seed, to have Kobe back, to have Nash available and the new guys (Farmar, Wesley etc) to provide much needed fits in the MDA offense. They also expected Pau to play a lot better at C than PF.
Of course it didn't materialize that way, and they wound up without a healthy Kobe, without Nash and a bunch of role players with Pau in the middle. Clearly, that was not the Lakers plan, it was a result of the injuries.
More than keeping Pau, I do not understand the notion to try and compete with the type of teams we have in the West with what we had this year. It was quite obvious to me that this team wasn't going to do any damage unless Kobe by some miracle played like he never tore his achilles. I'm just not sure why they thought they could compete for a playoff run, we never had a strong enough team for it once Dwight walked for nothing.
BTW, if you look at it from that POV, not trading Pau made sense. The Lakers operated under a thinking that they were going for the playoffs. Boston was ready to tank from the season's start. I don't blame the Lakers for not trading Pau once they had that mindset. I just don't get why they thought they could realistically make the playoffs when the year before they won only 45 games with a much much better team that had one of the top 10 players on the league on it and a healthy Kobe Bryant. | great post. _________________ Music is my medicine |
|
Back to top |
|
|
greenfrog Retired Number
Joined: 02 Jan 2011 Posts: 36081 Location: 502 Bad Gateway
|
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:42 am Post subject: |
|
|
BennyLava wrote: | Pierce and Garnett both look like they have more to offer than Pau. Pau is done, other than a few Lakers faithful who don't want to see beyond that, everyone knows.
We have tried to trade Pau over the last two seasons with no takers. There will be none in the offseason either, other than us overpaying for him. |
^ This is a better post. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
KobeRe-Loaded Franchise Player
Joined: 09 Dec 2003 Posts: 14944
|
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:43 am Post subject: |
|
|
greenfrog wrote: | BennyLava wrote: | Pierce and Garnett both look like they have more to offer than Pau. Pau is done, other than a few Lakers faithful who don't want to see beyond that, everyone knows.
We have tried to trade Pau over the last two seasons with no takers. There will be none in the offseason either, other than us overpaying for him. |
^ This is a better post. |
I don't think Pau is "done". If you are expecting Pau from 2008-2010 then forget it. But Pau that can get you 15 pts and 8 reb for around $8M then you may have a deal. _________________ #11/08/16 America became GREAT again
#Avatar-gate |
|
Back to top |
|
|
greenfrog Retired Number
Joined: 02 Jan 2011 Posts: 36081 Location: 502 Bad Gateway
|
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:56 am Post subject: |
|
|
KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | greenfrog wrote: | BennyLava wrote: | Pierce and Garnett both look like they have more to offer than Pau. Pau is done, other than a few Lakers faithful who don't want to see beyond that, everyone knows.
We have tried to trade Pau over the last two seasons with no takers. There will be none in the offseason either, other than us overpaying for him. |
^ This is a better post. |
I don't think Pau is "done". If you are expecting Pau from 2008-2010 then forget it. But Pau that can get you 15 pts and 8 reb for around $8M then you may have a deal. |
So as a bench guy, in other words. MDA tried that and the basketball world collectively puked. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Vancouver Fan Franchise Player
Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Posts: 17740
|
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:13 pm Post subject: |
|
|
greenfrog wrote: | BennyLava wrote: | Pierce and Garnett both look like they have more to offer than Pau. Pau is done, other than a few Lakers faithful who don't want to see beyond that, everyone knows.
We have tried to trade Pau over the last two seasons with no takers. There will be none in the offseason either, other than us overpaying for him. |
^ This is a better post. | Not really. _________________ Music is my medicine |
|
Back to top |
|
|
KobeRe-Loaded Franchise Player
Joined: 09 Dec 2003 Posts: 14944
|
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:13 pm Post subject: |
|
|
greenfrog wrote: | KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | greenfrog wrote: | BennyLava wrote: | Pierce and Garnett both look like they have more to offer than Pau. Pau is done, other than a few Lakers faithful who don't want to see beyond that, everyone knows.
We have tried to trade Pau over the last two seasons with no takers. There will be none in the offseason either, other than us overpaying for him. |
^ This is a better post. |
I don't think Pau is "done". If you are expecting Pau from 2008-2010 then forget it. But Pau that can get you 15 pts and 8 reb for around $8M then you may have a deal. |
So as a bench guy, in other words. MDA tried that and the basketball world collectively puked. |
Pau needs a classic post offense. _________________ #11/08/16 America became GREAT again
#Avatar-gate |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Vancouver Fan Franchise Player
Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Posts: 17740
|
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:15 pm Post subject: |
|
|
KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | greenfrog wrote: | KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | greenfrog wrote: | BennyLava wrote: | Pierce and Garnett both look like they have more to offer than Pau. Pau is done, other than a few Lakers faithful who don't want to see beyond that, everyone knows.
We have tried to trade Pau over the last two seasons with no takers. There will be none in the offseason either, other than us overpaying for him. |
^ This is a better post. |
I don't think Pau is "done". If you are expecting Pau from 2008-2010 then forget it. But Pau that can get you 15 pts and 8 reb for around $8M then you may have a deal. |
So as a bench guy, in other words. MDA tried that and the basketball world collectively puked. |
Pau needs a classic post offense. | Pau's best years are behind him but he would be more effective in a post offense no doubt. _________________ Music is my medicine |
|
Back to top |
|
|
yinoma2001 Retired Number
Joined: 19 Jun 2010 Posts: 119487
|
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:22 pm Post subject: |
|
|
^ IMO the best PF combo for Pau is Serge Ibaka. Someone who is comfortable popping mid-range shots on offense/swooping in for rebounds, and a weakside shot blocker on defense. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Vancouver Fan Franchise Player
Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Posts: 17740
|
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 1:39 pm Post subject: |
|
|
yinoma2001 wrote: | ^ IMO the best PF combo for Pau is Serge Ibaka. Someone who is comfortable popping mid-range shots on offense/swooping in for rebounds, and a weakside shot blocker on defense. | Yes. He is an ideal match. They would be a deadly combo. Better than Z-Bo & Marc? Maybe..... _________________ Music is my medicine |
|
Back to top |
|
|
LeBronte Jest Star Player
Joined: 24 Nov 2010 Posts: 1236
|
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 1:41 pm Post subject: |
|
|
KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | greenfrog wrote: | BennyLava wrote: | Pierce and Garnett both look like they have more to offer than Pau. Pau is done, other than a few Lakers faithful who don't want to see beyond that, everyone knows.
We have tried to trade Pau over the last two seasons with no takers. There will be none in the offseason either, other than us overpaying for him. |
^ This is a better post. |
I don't think Pau is "done". If you are expecting Pau from 2008-2010 then forget it. But Pau that can get you 15 pts and 8 reb for around $8M then you may have a deal. |
Yeah, if anything, Pau just hasn't looked motivated. He's definitely got something left in the tank. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
greenfrog Retired Number
Joined: 02 Jan 2011 Posts: 36081 Location: 502 Bad Gateway
|
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:44 pm Post subject: |
|
|
LeBronte Jest wrote: | KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | greenfrog wrote: | BennyLava wrote: | Pierce and Garnett both look like they have more to offer than Pau. Pau is done, other than a few Lakers faithful who don't want to see beyond that, everyone knows.
We have tried to trade Pau over the last two seasons with no takers. There will be none in the offseason either, other than us overpaying for him. |
^ This is a better post. |
I don't think Pau is "done". If you are expecting Pau from 2008-2010 then forget it. But Pau that can get you 15 pts and 8 reb for around $8M then you may have a deal. |
Yeah, if anything, Pau just hasn't looked motivated. He's definitely got something left in the tank. |
motivation comes from within, so that would be included in the tank.
just physically he's already breaking down. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
mnstrdnk Starting Rotation
Joined: 02 Jul 2008 Posts: 810
|
Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:17 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I'm pretty sure if Pau was on another team, they would have offered way more. Seems like teams have it out for us ever since we got Pau. They forget that we gave up Marc Gasol and two first round picks. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
RusselDoeee01 Star Player
Joined: 28 Apr 2014 Posts: 1072
|
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:51 am Post subject: |
|
|
I say we trade Pau for Rocky the nuggets mascot |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Laker's Fan Franchise Player
Joined: 27 Jun 2002 Posts: 12809
|
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 5:07 pm Post subject: |
|
|
It's interesting that in a fiscally conservative league, some think Pau will get $10M a year as a free agent when no team pushing for the playoffs would put a decent package together for him.
With the success Zbo is having in the playoffs, I'm not even sure where he ends up. _________________ Austin Reaves keeps his game tight, like Kobe Bryant on game night. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
venturalakersfan Retired Number
Joined: 14 Apr 2001 Posts: 144432 Location: The Gold Coast
|
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 7:21 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Big difference between paying Pau $10 mil and over $19 mil. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Laker's Fan Franchise Player
Joined: 27 Jun 2002 Posts: 12809
|
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 7:47 pm Post subject: |
|
|
venturalakersfan wrote: | Big difference between paying Pau $10 mil and over $19 mil. |
Actually at the deadline there's very little difference. Plus if you get to send out salary it probably costs you less at 19. Agree there has to be workable salary in trade in return. But several teams had that. _________________ Austin Reaves keeps his game tight, like Kobe Bryant on game night. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
dino Star Player
Joined: 24 Jun 2005 Posts: 4118
|
Posted: Thu May 01, 2014 3:51 am Post subject: |
|
|
I dunno what hibbert's problem is but it could just be a chemistry issue after he called some of his teammates out...
Offer a signed pau to Indiana for hibbert if they figure they want to get out of his contract... |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Chronicle Retired Number
Joined: 21 Jul 2012 Posts: 31930 Location: Manhattan
|
Posted: Thu May 01, 2014 3:51 am Post subject: |
|
|
dino wrote: | I dunno what hibbert's problem is but it could just be a chemistry issue after he called some of his teammates out...
Offer a signed pau to Indiana for hibbert if they figure they want to get out of his contract... |
why would we want his contract _________________ Kobe |
|
Back to top |
|
|
dino Star Player
Joined: 24 Jun 2005 Posts: 4118
|
Posted: Thu May 01, 2014 3:55 am Post subject: |
|
|
He doesn't look like he is worth the contract now but was definitely beasting early on...the drop off might be mental at this point, a change of teams might do him well...
It's a risk for sure but he could be a potential long term solution at the center spot...young too...
Cap hit of $15M next 2 years...contract ends with Kobe... |
|
Back to top |
|
|
numero-ocho Franchise Player
Joined: 27 Jul 2004 Posts: 18190 Location: Los Angeles, CA
|
Posted: Thu May 01, 2014 4:35 am Post subject: |
|
|
dino wrote: | He doesn't look like he is worth the contract now but was definitely beasting early on...the drop off might be mental at this point, a change of teams might do him well...
It's a risk for sure but he could be a potential long term solution at the center spot...young too...
Cap hit of $15M next 2 years...contract ends with Kobe... |
The problem is these drop offs in performance have become his M.O. for the last three seasons. Three seasons ago we attributed it to extended playoff runs, the Olympics and Andrew Bynum, two seasons ago we attributed it to injuries, Mike Brown and Dwight Howard, last season it was injuries, illness and Mike D'Antoni.
I don't know if the breakdown is physical or mental but there's a pattern that's not related solely to coaching. I still think Pau can play. I just don't believe he's a cornerstone or a star anymore. He either accepts that he's a role player and the appropriate level of salary that goes with it or he moves on and ends being forced to accept it playing for someone else. _________________ "Suck it up. Don't be a baby. Do your job." - Kobe Bryant |
|
Back to top |
|
|
|