If Mitch can't do the job before Phil, Mitch doesn't deserve to GM anymore and Phil should become the next Mayor of New York. _________________ The proverbial quandary befuddles the greatest of men.
Hard to say right now. I have to see who opts in and who opts out. Depending on what happens with Melo the Knicks will have as much if not more cap space than anybody in 2015. They have their 2015 1st
If Mitch can't do the job before Phil, Mitch doesn't deserve to GM anymore and Phil should become the next Mayor of New York.
no Knicks are in better situation. if they don't sign Melo this summer, they will basically be granted a clean slate, they can go after everyone and anyone summer of '15, plus they do have their '15 1st round pick. so let's say they don't resign Melo, and suck for one more season gets a high 1st round pick summer of '15 and go out sign Love, Aldridge, or other big name FAs, they'll be all set.
where the Lakers have that huge elephant in the room Kobe and his contract to deal with the next two years. can't fully committed to rebuild when you have that shadowing the whole thing.
Mitch has rebuilt the Lakers before, it took him 3 years to go from lottery to title. I would say Mitch has the track record and experience to do it. We really don't know what kind of GM Phil is going to be, he's a rookie at this.
Mitch has rebuilt the Lakers before, it took him 3 years to go from lottery to title. I would say Mitch has the track record and experience to do it. We really don't know what kind of GM Phil is going to be, he's a rookie at this.
And say what you want about Jim Buss, but Jim Dolan is a far worse owner. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 5:50 am Post subject:
Well, I will say this, if Phil had, had the largest say in player transactions/aquisitions during his 2nd tenure with LA, the Lakers might not have won 1 title, let alone 2 (pension for aging/increasing-less-athletic vets, and Sean May).
Well, I will say this, if Phil had, had the largest say in player transactions/aquisitions during his 2nd tenure with LA, the Lakers might not have won 1 title, let alone 2 (pension for aging/increasing-less-athletic vets, and Sean May).
Maybe we can send our tired, old, and poor vets to NY. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 5:56 am Post subject:
My sauces are telling me that PJ is working on a sign and trade involving Carmelo for Shawn Marion and Jason Kidd. Lamar Odom was a coupe, and sauces are telling me Luke Walton and Fisher are prime targets as well.
Phil was so blinded by his triangle that he wanted to deal Kobe for Marion and Kidd. The Odom signing is a clear indication he's still putting a lot of stock in triangle experienced people. But there is no MJ, no Pippen, no Shaq, no Kobe.. and this reality will hit hard soon enough.
My sauces are telling me that PJ is working on a sign and trade involving Carmelo for Shawn Marion and Jason Kidd. Lamar Odom was a coupe, and sauces are telling me Luke Walton and Fisher are prime targets as well.
Phil was so blinded by his triangle that he wanted to deal Kobe for Marion and Kidd. The Odom signing is a clear indication he's still putting a lot of stock in triangle experienced people. But there is no MJ, no Pippen, no Shaq, no Kobe.. and this reality will hit hard soon enough.
My money is on Mitch.
The "magic" behind Phil Jax and the Triangle was...Phil Jax. Plenty of coaches have tried to institute Triangle offenses, but none had the ability to manage egos like Phil. I think people in NY are in for a rude awakening if they think that the installation of a Triangle offense sans Phil will be the same as Phil + Triangle. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
Phil will fail as a GM with the Knicks, rather quickly too. It's a poisonous organization there and he's out of his depth entirely.
It remains to be seen whether Mitch can succeed here as a GM again, as a guy having such reduced power under Jim Buss. Buss has a flawed vision too.
I don't see either franchise making a return to the NBA Finals before 2020, just no way. Starting from where they are today, and led by such inane ownership, it's a snail's race for these two clubs to the next league title.
I'm waiting for the upcoming media war b/w Phil and Jim Dolan. It will be epic given the voracious NY media market. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
Logically the safe bet is Mitch, he has been through this process a number of times, and been successful, we have a high draft pick this year, we have cap space this year in the hands of someone who has shown they know how to use the resources they have pretty well, others have pointed out while our FO seems a little dysfunctional, a lot can be attributed to the passing of the torch from Buss to the kids its reasonable for that to take a bit of time, however Dolan and the knicks have been a mess for how long now? Usually when the lakers swing big they land the punch see Gasol, see Dwight, the Lakers know how to build around a marquee player...I think all of these things tilt in the lakers flavor...personally I think PJ can be successful but he seems he is really looking to create a new organizational culture in NY that takes time, we already have a winning culture here, I mean we have sucked for a couple of years now, but the Lakers would NEVER be content with the pathetic play of the Knicks for so many years
Phil has his work cut out for him, at least Mitch has a lottery pick and Kobe's signed up for the next two years.
For Phil... it's a state of uncertainty, though I must say his decisiveness and direction has given me some confidence in his mission (prior to this idea of Phil as a GM would've gotten a thumbs down from me).
He can operate without the CAA folks having much influence like they did on the old regime. However what will happen with Melo? Unknown. Lottery pick? Probably going to Denver. Staff? TBD. Players? TBD. Cap space? Ha. Dolan honeymoon? It was good while it lasted. He's not too happy about Phil jimbussing his longtime employees.
Phil has his work cut out for him, at least Mitch has a lottery pick and Kobe's signed up for the next two years.
For Phil... it's a state of uncertainty, though I must say his decisiveness and direction has given me some confidence in his mission (prior to this idea of Phil as a GM would've gotten a thumbs down from me).
He can operate without the CAA folks having much influence like they did on the old regime. However what will happen with Melo? Unknown. Lottery pick? Probably going to Denver. Staff? TBD. Players? TBD. Cap space? Ha. Dolan honeymoon? It was good while it lasted. He's not too happy about Phil jimbussing his longtime employees.
That's a handicap in a dozen ways, not an advantage. Mitch is playing the rebuilding game with an extraordinarily expensive, old, wounded guy, and one also full of uncertainty as to effectiveness, availability and attractiveness to free agents. Yech.
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:20 am Post subject: Re: Which GM will rebuild thier teams faster, Mitch Kupchak or Phil Jackson?
Suckmaki Walker wrote:
Which do you think will put the better team on on the floor 3 years from now?
the knicks/phil dont have to deal with crazed fans forcing their hand to make moves for RIGHT NOW. so they can take their time to clear the books and wait on superstar FA's all the while sucking just enough to get young promising rooks on the cheap. cheap high pick rooks and star FA's = great team(at least on paper).
because the lakers crazed fanbase. management always has to teeter on rebuild vs reload. that can cause issues if things happened like they did for us this last time. nixed trades, old guys dropping like flies. _________________ LAL4K3RS wrote: He(Kobe) is the white haired kung fu master that you realize is older than dirt but can still kick your arse when in a sitting position drinking a nice herbal tea.
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:23 am Post subject: Re: Which GM will rebuild thier teams faster, Mitch Kupchak or Phil Jackson?
postandpivot wrote:
Suckmaki Walker wrote:
Which do you think will put the better team on on the floor 3 years from now?
the knicks/phil dont have to deal with crazed fans forcing their hand to make moves for RIGHT NOW. so they can take their time to clear the books and wait on superstar FA's all the while sucking just enough to get young promising rooks on the cheap. cheap high pick rooks and star FA's = great team(at least on paper).
because the lakers crazed fanbase. management always has to teeter on rebuild vs reload. that can cause issues if things happened like they did for us this last time. nixed trades, old guys dropping like flies.
Clearly you don't live in NY. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
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