Should mods take jeggs bet to ban him if Lakers don't make playoffs but put this in TOPIC HOF forever if Lakers do make playoffs in 2015?
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Just ban him any way, who cares bro
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Jeggs Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:29 pm Post subject: If Duncan can get to the finals this late in his career, Kobe can too.
Duncan is 38...Kobe is what, 36? If Duncan can do this late in the game, so can Kobe. Both Duncan and Kobe possess the skillset to have a big impact despite being in their mid thrities. It's about having a smart coach that can manage Kobe's minutes, a solid core group with a great leader like Kobe, and a great organization and FO.
We have a lot of the pieces we need...
Lakers can follow San Antonio's model, and get to their level.
We can get a great coach this season. We can find a solid player in the draft. We have the cap space to surround Kobe with the right role players. We have Kobe as a leader to mentor younger players...
We will have a better record than the Clippers next season. Mark my words.
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Joined: 10 Jul 2009 Posts: 12186 Location: Bay Area
Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:35 pm Post subject:
Yeah. If literally everything goes perfect in the next couple years, and the rest of the West collectively (bleep) the bed, the Lakers could maybe possibly make the Finals...
We hedged our bets, and it didn't work out. Now we're smack dab in the middle of the fallout of that. It'll be hard to crawl out of it. We don't have the established foundation that San Antonio has had for years and years. _________________
Joined: 15 Sep 2012 Posts: 29354 Location: La La Land
Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:24 pm Post subject:
doughboy90650 wrote:
Another Jeggs production.
Took the words out of my mouth. OP is good at pushing the envelope intentionally. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:30 pm Post subject: Re: If Duncan can get to the finals this late in his career, Kobe can too.
Jeggs wrote:
Duncan is 38...Kobe is what, 36? If Duncan can do this late in the game, so can Kobe. Both Duncan and Kobe possess the skillset to have a big impact despite being in their mid thrities. It's about having a smart coach that can manage Kobe's minutes, a solid core group with a great leader like Kobe, and a great organization and FO.
We have a lot of the pieces we need...
Lakers can follow San Antonio's model, and get to their level.
We can get a great coach this season. We can find a solid player in the draft. We have the cap space to surround Kobe with the right role players. We have Kobe as a leader to mentor younger players...
We will have a better record than the Clippers next season. Mark my words.
Why do people keep saying this? Lol. Are we going to have a coach on the same planet as Pop? Where's our Parker? Leonard? Ginobli? Do we have a system that role players can thrive in?
Kobe probably blew competing for a title ever again in his career by taking that extension. It still boggles my mind that Kobe talks about how bad he wants #6, and the front office hadn't even seen him play once off a torn achilles at 35 years old, but he still gets a contract that makes him the highest paid player in the game. Not sure how either side decided this would be a good idea.
Just think if Kobe had taken a Duncan type contract, and the Lakers had lost some of the games they should have down the stretch, and we had a top 3-4 pick. Could have probably had a rebuild pretty quick.
This season Kobe made the same amount of money as Duncan, Parker and Ginobili combined. Next season he'll make more than Duncan and Parker combined. Duncan was also willing to take a lesser role as he aged, where to date Kobe has not shown any willingness to do so.
It's going to be very difficult for Kobe to win a title in the next two years. If he continues playing after that and is willing to take an enormous paycut then maybe they can use their free agent signings that summer and whatever one they sign this year or next and contend in his twilight, but he's going to need to be willing to both take that paycut and accepting a reduced role for it to happen.
We don't even have a coach and all of our scrubs combined don't even equal Danny Green
The only scrub that is currently a Laker, is Sacre. Kobe and Nash are HOF
If we had a younger Nash i would say you are absolutely right and F what parker does...unfortunately poor Nash is on his last legs...i mean leg, and is more than a shadow of his former self. So in general yes Nash is easily a HOF but this current Nash....is not.
IF: Kobe had been as committed to building a deep roster around himself and taken a Duncan-type pay cut.
IF: We didn't waste years of upheaval and chaos on terrible coaching choices.
IF: We'd brought back Phil instead of MDA.
IF: We'd been more calculating in not letting Howard walk for zero compensation.
IF: we had ownership that was that 100% on the same page.
… then absolutely you are correct.
Give it up ALREADY!!!! It's amazing how many people here keep pointing to Kobe's extension as the sole reason why the Lakers can't field a competitive team. It's just a tired argument. There are several factors that have put the Lakers in the position they are in currently. Typical ban wagon fans are always looking to point fingers at Kobe, when this man has given us 18+ years of excellence with more to come. So I ask if they Lakers did GIVE Kobe a smaller extension who would the rest of the money go to? What player(s) along with Kobe would have put the Lakers in the hunt again? _________________ Winning is all that matters!!
Joined: 18 Jul 2001 Posts: 10015 Location: Los Angeles/ Alhambra, CA
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:41 am Post subject:
JayLida wrote:
tony smith wrote:
You left out a few details from your assessment:
IF: Kobe had been as committed to building a deep roster around himself and taken a Duncan-type pay cut.
IF: We didn't waste years of upheaval and chaos on terrible coaching choices.
IF: We'd brought back Phil instead of MDA.
IF: We'd been more calculating in not letting Howard walk for zero compensation.
IF: we had ownership that was that 100% on the same page.
… then absolutely you are correct.
Give it up ALREADY!!!! It's amazing how many people here keep pointing to Kobe's extension as the sole reason why the Lakers can't field a competitive team. It's just a tired argument. There are several factors that have put the Lakers in the position they are in currently. Typical ban wagon fans are always looking to point fingers at Kobe, when this man has given us 18+ years of excellence with more to come. So I ask if they Lakers did GIVE Kobe a smaller extension who would the rest of the money go to? What player(s) along with Kobe would have put the Lakers in the hunt again?
Funny - the preceding post points out SEVERAL different factors besides Kobe's contract...
Timmy also can't fit a legal pad under his feet during any given movement and doesn't have to beat other players with physical skill nearly as much as a 2-guard of any age has to. It's like Karl Malone, he had 18 perfectly healthy years before a freak occurrence happened; a fat center falling square on his knee. He just wasn't involved in high-risk moves at the PF position. Kobe, otoh, blew an Achilles on the most basic of push offs on the perimeter, his injury looking identical to Nique's. All Timmy has to do most of the time is post up and catch the ball and if he does face someone up, it's usually some other lumbering bigman.
I wonder how Kobe would function under Coach Pop? There are never any overly selfish players in his systems. San Antonio understands the concept of basketball being a team game better than any team I have ever seen. I don't know if that can be instilled into Kobe at this stage in his career.
Just a thought not really related to the OP's point. _________________ Lakers, today. Lakers, tomorrow. Lakers, forever.
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