If Duncan can get to the finals this late in his career, Kobe can too.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 3:29 pm    Post subject:

Of course Kobe can... Will the league allow it is my biggest question.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 3:40 pm    Post subject:

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at people saying Duncan isnt playing at an elite level. Seriously, that's really funny. Take Duncan off that team and tell me where that team goes.

No where is where.

From Kobe fans you can expect most of them to think that if a guy isn't averaging 20 PPG then he's finished

The Spurs are an incredibly well put together team and Duncan is still the central point of it, he just doesn't have to do much as he used to because of how deep they are.

On the other hand Kobe's primary asset is his scoring, so if he's not doing that efficiently he's just going to hurt the team because he can't defend anything these days.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 3:46 pm    Post subject:

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So Duncan won a championship as a role player...Kobe could go to a stacked team with a great coach and easily win another title as a role player (he'd probably be the greatest role player in NBA history). Of course he would retire before becoming a role player so there is no point of this comparison.


Duncan didn't go to a stacked team, he took less money so that his team could become "stacked". Role player? He averaged a double double in the finals as a starter. What finals did you watch? So yes the comparison is very fair. The only difference is that Duncan will end his career contending for titles while Kobe will end his contending for the 8th spot in the playoffs if he's lucky.



Yes, Duncan is a role player at this stage of his career. You can argue he is the 3rd or 4th option (Leonard, TP, Ginobili). The offense doesn't really go through him anymore. The team is different. All they need is duncan to keep the ball moving and play solid D.


Sounds like a role player to me. Role players can average a double-double too.


Call him whatever you want, he was still the best player on the team this year and last.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:29 am    Post subject:

Duncan didnt take a Kobe contract
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:48 am    Post subject:

Also they have Pop. We are still looking for a coach.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:47 am    Post subject:

Peoples Hernandez wrote:
Of course Kobe can... Will the league allow it is my biggest question.


What?!?!

It's not the league, it's Obama.

Don't be ridiculous.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:48 am    Post subject:

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Of course Kobe can... Will the league allow it is my biggest question.
Guess the league allowed it from 2008-2010.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 5:48 pm    Post subject:

Also Duncan can play with everyone. Kobe, well he's selfish
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 6:42 pm    Post subject:

audioaxes wrote:
Duncan didnt take a Kobe contract
duncan isnt as good as kobe is. so he doesnt deserve a kobe contract.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 7:15 am    Post subject:

postandpivot wrote:
audioaxes wrote:
Duncan didnt take a Kobe contract
duncan isnt as good as kobe is. so he doesn't deserve a kobe contract.


By that logic, Kobe doesn't deserve a Kobe contract....
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 7:23 am    Post subject:

postandpivot wrote:
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Duncan didnt take a Kobe contract
duncan isnt as good as kobe is. so he doesnt deserve a kobe contract.


I think we've learned Duncan/Kobe just work differently. Maybe it's an island thing.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 8:33 am    Post subject:

HUGE DIFFERENCE.

Duncan had a fairly stable situation and is not coming back from a serious injury. He is surrounded by players and a coach that have been with him a long time. Also, the organization has been playing in a stable system.

Kobe is not in the same situation.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:32 am    Post subject:

I feel like we got a great shot at making the playoffs and you never know what will happen from there:

Randle is looking great in scrimmages

Davis is looking great in scrimmages so far as well

Mitch and other NBA vets have commented on Kobe looking very good in his training

Wesley Johnson and Nick Young have been training with Kobe, so you know they will be great this season

Nash is healthy / Lin is looking good.

It really looks like this team is really out to do something special this season.

Can Randle be at a superstar level out of the gate? That's my question. If he does that and this team clicks and has great chemistry from the get go, we could shock the world.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 5:28 pm    Post subject:

Jeggs wrote:
I feel like we got a great shot at making the playoffs and you never know what will happen from there:

Randle is looking great in scrimmages

Davis is looking great in scrimmages so far as well

Mitch and other NBA vets have commented on Kobe looking very good in his training

Wesley Johnson and Nick Young have been training with Kobe, so you know they will be great this season

Nash is healthy / Lin is looking good.

It really looks like this team is really out to do something special this season.

Can Randle be at a superstar level out of the gate? That's my question. If he does that and this team clicks and has great chemistry from the get go, we could shock the world.


Everything you listed is the reason, why fans should feel optimistic.... I think we are gonna blaze out of the gates... we're probably gonna be like 12-3 in the first 15 games... which would be great accomplishment and from there everything will fall into place.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 6:04 pm    Post subject:

K0BEE 2.0 wrote:

Everything you listed is the reason, why fans should feel optimistic.... I think we are gonna blaze out of the gates... we're probably gonna be like 12-3 in the first 15 games... which would be great accomplishment and from there everything will fall into place.


I would think if the record is 12 - 3 to start the season, that things will already have fallen into place.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 2:39 pm    Post subject:

Bard207 wrote:
K0BEE 2.0 wrote:

Everything you listed is the reason, why fans should feel optimistic.... I think we are gonna blaze out of the gates... we're probably gonna be like 12-3 in the first 15 games... which would be great accomplishment and from there everything will fall into place.


I would think if the record is 12 - 3 to start the season, that things will already have fallen into place.


The problem is that our roster is the weakest/most questionable of the 12 teams vying for 8 playoff spots in the west. 12-3 would be a great start, but we could easily lose it because the west is tough.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 5:25 am    Post subject:

Jeggs wrote:
I feel like we got a great shot at making the playoffs and you never know what will happen from there:

Randle is looking great in scrimmages

Davis is looking great in scrimmages so far as well

Mitch and other NBA vets have commented on Kobe looking very good in his training

Wesley Johnson and Nick Young have been training with Kobe, so you know they will be great this season

Nash is healthy / Lin is looking good.

It really looks like this team is really out to do something special this season.

Can Randle be at a superstar level out of the gate? That's my question. If he does that and this team clicks and has great chemistry from the get go, we could shock the world.


You could say the exact same things for all of the other teams in the league though. In the end, it comes down to roster talent and coaching.

And I'm not sure what you mean by "something special" -- what do you mean by that? Is a 2nd round exit something special to you? Or are you talking about NBA Finals?

The two primary reasons this team won't make the playoffs (and I won't be upset because to me this is a building year) are:

1) Kobe and Uncertain Health. 36 years old, 50K+ minutes, knee injury and the devastating achilles. He's the engine for this team. He's not going to be 2012 Kobe, he will be a fraction of that. Whether the fraction is 80/100 or 40/100 or somewhere in between remains to be seen.

2) No 2nd Option. Who is the 2nd option on this team? Is it Jeremy Lin? Carlos Boozer? Either way, if you want to construct a team that is going to do something special, you don't usually want to make your 2nd best player a Carlos Boozer or Jeremy Lin.

Your summary reads more like hope than analysis to me. Which is fine, I hope we go 82-0 personally. But, if someone offered me $1M to correctly guess whether the Lakers would make the playoffs or not, the answer there is an easy no playoffs for me.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 5:27 am    Post subject:

If we were in the East, we'd have a good shot at the playoffs.

Unfortunately, we are in the West, and it's much more difficult to get in the playoffs. Need around 49-50 wins minimum to be an 8th seed; in the East last season that's at least a 3rd or 4th seed.

Just goes to show you how difficult the Western Conference is going to be.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:13 am    Post subject:

Kobe going to the finals on the basis that Duncan can? Come on, the Spurs strategy is beyond the NBA. The Spurs is way more than just Duncan.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:15 am    Post subject:

psy123321123 wrote:
Kobe going to the finals on the basis that Duncan can? Come on, the Spurs strategy is beyond the NBA. The Spurs is way more than just Duncan.


What ever do you mean?

Jeremy Lin is essentially Tony Parker.

Randle is our Kawhi Leonard.

Wayne Ellington is our Manu.

Byron Scott is our Pop.

Cmon. Wake up and smell the coffee man!
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 9:18 am    Post subject:

ringfinger wrote:
psy123321123 wrote:
Kobe going to the finals on the basis that Duncan can? Come on, the Spurs strategy is beyond the NBA. The Spurs is way more than just Duncan.


What ever do you mean?

Jeremy Lin is essentially Tony Parker.

Randle is our Kawhi Leonard.

Wayne Ellington is our Manu.

Byron Scott is our Pop.

Cmon. Wake up and smell the coffee man!


I thought you were being serious at first.. LOL
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 9:39 am    Post subject:

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ringfinger wrote:
psy123321123 wrote:
Kobe going to the finals on the basis that Duncan can? Come on, the Spurs strategy is beyond the NBA. The Spurs is way more than just Duncan.


What ever do you mean?

Jeremy Lin is essentially Tony Parker.

Randle is our Kawhi Leonard.

Wayne Ellington is our Manu.

Byron Scott is our Pop.

Cmon. Wake up and smell the coffee man!


I thought you were being serious at first.. LOL


Well, they may not be those players today, but if they can learn to be them through training camp -- we'll be a lock for conference champs.

Amiright?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 9:44 am    Post subject:

dabask11 wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
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Everything you listed is the reason, why fans should feel optimistic.... I think we are gonna blaze out of the gates... we're probably gonna be like 12-3 in the first 15 games... which would be great accomplishment and from there everything will fall into place.


I would think if the record is 12 - 3 to start the season, that things will already have fallen into place.


The problem is that our roster is the weakest/most questionable of the 12 teams vying for 8 playoff spots in the west. 12-3 would be a great start, but we could easily lose it because the west is tough.



The first 15 games are going to be a very rigorous test and if they can go 12 - 3, then that will be quite amazing (at least to me).

Schedule

Oct 28 -- Rockets
Oct 29 -- @ Suns
Oct 31 -- Clippers
Nov 1 -- @ Warriors
Nov 4 -- Suns
Nov 9 -- Hornets (Charlotte)
Nov 11 -- @ Grizzlies
Nov 12 -- @ Pelicans
Nov 14 -- Spurs
Nov 16 -- Warriors
Nov 18 -- @ Hawks
Nov 19 -- @ Rockets
Nov 21 -- @ Mavericks
Nov 23 -- Nuggets
Nov 26 -- Grizzlies


Extremely heavy on Western Conference teams and the two Eastern Conference teams (Hawks and Hornets) have very good coaches.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 9:50 am    Post subject:

ringfinger wrote:
cgambino123 wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
psy123321123 wrote:
Kobe going to the finals on the basis that Duncan can? Come on, the Spurs strategy is beyond the NBA. The Spurs is way more than just Duncan.


What ever do you mean?

Jeremy Lin is essentially Tony Parker.

Randle is our Kawhi Leonard.

Wayne Ellington is our Manu.

Byron Scott is our Pop.

Cmon. Wake up and smell the coffee man!


I thought you were being serious at first.. LOL


Well, they may not be those players today, but if they can learn to be them through training camp -- we'll be a lock for conference champs.

Amiright?


Lmao... Too good man
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 10:05 am    Post subject:

Bard207 wrote:
dabask11 wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
K0BEE 2.0 wrote:

Everything you listed is the reason, why fans should feel optimistic.... I think we are gonna blaze out of the gates... we're probably gonna be like 12-3 in the first 15 games... which would be great accomplishment and from there everything will fall into place.


I would think if the record is 12 - 3 to start the season, that things will already have fallen into place.


The problem is that our roster is the weakest/most questionable of the 12 teams vying for 8 playoff spots in the west. 12-3 would be a great start, but we could easily lose it because the west is tough.



The first 15 games are going to be a very rigorous test and if they can go 12 - 3, then that will be quite amazing (at least to me).

Schedule

Oct 28 -- Rockets
Oct 29 -- @ Suns
Oct 31 -- Clippers
Nov 1 -- @ Warriors
Nov 4 -- Suns
Nov 9 -- Hornets (Charlotte)
Nov 11 -- @ Grizzlies
Nov 12 -- @ Pelicans
Nov 14 -- Spurs
Nov 16 -- Warriors
Nov 18 -- @ Hawks
Nov 19 -- @ Rockets
Nov 21 -- @ Mavericks
Nov 23 -- Nuggets
Nov 26 -- Grizzlies


Extremely heavy on Western Conference teams and the two Eastern Conference teams (Hawks and Hornets) have very good coaches.


Yes it would be amazing but still not indicative of what could happen for the rest of the season.
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