Q: What does Sacre need to become "more than serviceable"?
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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:16 am Post subject:
Lakerpark wrote:
Hi, I just wanted to revive this thread for a moment...
Sometimes I think you guys are too harsh on Sacre. He looked pretty good last night, especially against Kaman.
He hit a couple of nice jumpers and got some rebounds and looked like he played decent defense.
I know his hands are suspect and he is not super fleet of foot but he's got size and strength.
I think he could be helpful against guys like Kanter, Mozkov, Bogut, Plumlee, maybe Lopez, etc....the big 7 footers...guys who aren't super fast but whose size may be too much for Jordan Hill to handle.
Just my 2 cents....
Sacre gets a lot of flak but I think he's worth a roster spot. He's shown improvement, is good for the locker room, and works hard. Gotta have some guys like that on your squad.
Sacre has done nothing but work hard, maintain an infectiously positive attitude, and play his role since we got him.
He's not a great center, but he IS already a serviceable backup C, especially against the grind it out down low centers.
Not only that, but he he has continued to improve consistently, adding things to his game one piece at a time.
I hope and anticipate that he will have a great season and that we bring him back next year considering we have him for the minimum with a team option. _________________ You are either in or on your way to the NBA Finals.
With Sacre, what you see is what you get. Good for 10-15 back up minutes. But with the way the roster is set up, it looks like he's in for more than 15 minutes. He may even start more games this season than he'll ever see in the future.
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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 2:51 pm Post subject:
Lakerpark wrote:
Hi, I just wanted to revive this thread for a moment...
Sometimes I think you guys are too harsh on Sacre. He looked pretty good last night, especially against Kaman.
He hit a couple of nice jumpers and got some rebounds and looked like he played decent defense.
I know his hands are suspect and he is not super fleet of foot but he's got size and strength.
Yeah, he was fine. I like Sacre fine but those things you outlined - at least in my opinion - are serviceable. Not "more than" serviceable. I think he's a hard worker, he's just not naturally talented.
Joined: 20 Jul 2006 Posts: 8518 Location: Left coast
Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 3:53 pm Post subject:
Lakerpark wrote:
Hi, I just wanted to revive this thread for a moment...
Sometimes I think you guys are too harsh on Sacre. He looked pretty good last night, especially against Kaman.
He hit a couple of nice jumpers and got some rebounds and looked like he played decent defense.
I know his hands are suspect and he is not super fleet of foot but he's got size and strength.
I think he could be helpful against guys like Kanter, Mozkov, Bogut, Plumlee, maybe Lopez, etc....the big 7 footers...guys who aren't super fast but whose size may be too much for Jordan Hill to handle.
Just my 2 cents....
I was thinking about this same thread but people always seem to get angry when you bump threads that clear up past issues/discussions.
When this thread began, I doubt people realized the top centers on the team would be Hill and Davis.
So many believe Sacre shouldn't work on any offensive game and just get out of the way, but when he's on the court with offensively challenged teammates (most of the time), any offense he brings is absolutely necessary. Kobe can't do it all and right now he's got very little reliable offensive help.
There will be various times during a game when Sacre's # gets called and he needs to be able to produce inside or out. He's shown he can go up to nearly 20 feet out and shoot a turn around shot, or turn, face up, and shoot over a defender. He easily made a jump hook in the paint (inside game) the other day but needs to work on technique because he got called for using his off arm.
Like it or not, that offense helps. He'll never be a high flying rebounder or shot blocker so he just needs to focus on using his body to effectively block out potential rebounders.
Sacre isn't great but he's serviceable at this point because he came in the game and scored in double figures and helped his team win. I expect him to get better in the next couple of years at the things he already does.
For me, a lot of it is his rebounding, he's just so weak on the box-outs.
Look at 3:20 of Cachooka's latest video:
Note where Sacre is when the ball goes up (great inside position, not too close to the basket). The ball goes up and Sacre doesn't even try to box out, he just kinda watches the ball and lets Kaman bully him into the basket. The ball went in, but that kind of horrible rebounding technique happens all the time.
Sacre's problem is that running a half-court offense through him always goes for low-percentage turnaround jumpers from 10 feet. He doesn't pick and roll all that well and won't aggressively get shots at the basket, which really hurts for a big man. Also? He doesn't rebound. Never does. That's a sin.
Outside of his lack of athleticism, he needs to learn how to set a proper pick, create counter moves to his post and pivot, develop his footwork on D (especially in the mid post when being attacked by a guard), get a better sense of timing when defending the lane and be wayyyy more consistent from 15 feed out, preferably in pick and pop situations. _________________ Jesus saves, but Vishnu reincarnates!
Sacre is just a big lug, a bigger Ryan Hollins type. That's a career third string center with bad hands and no feel for the game. Guards and forwards who are as unskilled and inexperienced as them would never get a second look in the NBA, let alone a second contract. Can't teach height, but you can buy it.
Joined: 24 Sep 2001 Posts: 8188 Location: Eagle Rock
Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 12:47 pm Post subject:
The guy is 7 feet tall. I don't care how short his arms are, he should be able to block some shots. I think a lot of players have had decent NBA careers with lesser physical atributes. He just needs to focus on the fundamentals and stay away from throwing cakes at people. _________________ R.I.P. Doc Buss
Sacre does not hassle. He sets half-assed screen on the offensive end and does not box out for defensive rebounds... He just seems gassed all the time.
I think he really needs to watch more films of himself and learn what he needs to do when he does not have the ball.
There are two things that Sacre does fairly well.... an occasional 15ft jumpshot and celebrate on the bench. Not sure how he still in the league but it pays to be 7ft tall
Sacre does not hassle. He sets half-assed screen on the offensive end and does not box out for defensive rebounds... He just seems gassed all the time.
I think he really needs to watch more films of himself and learn what he needs to do when he does not have the ball.
All of this. I get the sense he is a nice guy that means well, but his lack of effort for parts of the game is really inexcusable for a bench player. Just want to see him stick to the fundamentals like boxing out to start. Rarely will you see him truly box out, and in the NBA you can't just rely on being 7 feet tall to get every board.
I think he needs to not panic when he plays. He backed in demarcus cousins and lost the ball trying to go faster than he could, and then started an awkward hook that he missed off the front of the rim. If he could slow it down and play a little bit more controlled he would be better.
I think he needs to move his feet a little better defensively, which could probably come from anticipating better which would require more game experience to develop that feel.
At least it looks like he's improved his mid-range shot. And his post game is decent when he has a smaller defender on him, but he's still massively limited. He's great as a third string center who plays limited minutes, but that's pretty much it. He works his ass off when he's on the floor, but he's still a very mediocre defender and a terrible rebounder. I doubt he ever improves much from that, but I'm still glad he's on the team.
Joined: 20 Jul 2006 Posts: 8518 Location: Left coast
Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 11:14 am Post subject:
For those who don't think Sacre should try to improve his low post/inside game, even former NBA guard and Lakers announcer, Stu Lantz disagrees with you. He continually says that Sacre needs to work on his low post game and counter moves.
I'm not sure why it would make sense for any center to ever feel like they can't do it so they shouldn't try.
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