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Randle is the most inconsistent youngster we have, but the criticisms he gets is nothing compared to Dlo
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JC's in depth analysis got some shook 
nice to see some real analysis instead of hyperbole 
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anpherknee
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| M2K wrote: | I have no problem trading Julius Randle and anyone not named Russell, Ingram and Zubac for a talented PF that plays above the rim, can score and play defense.
Give JR credit for his passing...but above average passing from the PF position is not enough for lacking the primary skills needed from today's PF. |
the bolded got me thinking really hard
and I cant think of one person who actually fits that criteria that would be available in a julius swap
going past just being available we got who?
KAT
AD
Is jokic a PF?
blake was looking like david west on tuesday 
who else? Is the PF position today a sham guise and we just didn't realize it
where are the other up and coming ballers and shot callers at the PF position guise
everybody I can think of are like specialists on offense who can play good positional defense  |
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Jhin0821
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| anpherknee wrote: | | M2K wrote: | I have no problem trading Julius Randle and anyone not named Russell, Ingram and Zubac for a talented PF that plays above the rim, can score and play defense.
Give JR credit for his passing...but above average passing from the PF position is not enough for lacking the primary skills needed from today's PF. |
the bolded got me thinking really hard
and I cant think of one person who actually fits that criteria that would be available in a julius swap
going past just being available we got who?
KAT
AD
Is jokic a PF?
blake was looking like david west on tuesday
who else? Is the PF position today a sham guise and we just didn't realize it
where are the other up and coming ballers and shot callers at the PF position guise
everybody I can think of are like specialists on offense who can play good positional defense |
Myles Turner |
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MJST
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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| M2K wrote: | I have no problem trading Julius Randle and anyone not named Russell, Ingram and Zubac for a talented PF that plays above the rim, can score and play defense.
Give JR credit for his passing...but above average passing from the PF position is not enough for lacking the primary skills needed from today's PF. |
Name me 5 of them in the NBA that fit that criteria not named Anthony Davis.
Actually
Name 5 PFs in the NBA that even play "Above the rim" not named Blake Griffin or Anthony Davis.
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anpherknee
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| Jhin0821 wrote: | | anpherknee wrote: | | M2K wrote: | I have no problem trading Julius Randle and anyone not named Russell, Ingram and Zubac for a talented PF that plays above the rim, can score and play defense.
Give JR credit for his passing...but above average passing from the PF position is not enough for lacking the primary skills needed from today's PF. |
the bolded got me thinking really hard
and I cant think of one person who actually fits that criteria that would be available in a julius swap
going past just being available we got who?
KAT
AD
Is jokic a PF?
blake was looking like david west on tuesday
who else? Is the PF position today a sham guise and we just didn't realize it
where are the other up and coming ballers and shot callers at the PF position guise
everybody I can think of are like specialists on offense who can play good positional defense |
Myles Turner |
I was gon say myles
but im like 63.7% sure he's a center, these numbers are subject to change tho
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AllorNothing
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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| MJST wrote: | | M2K wrote: | I have no problem trading Julius Randle and anyone not named Russell, Ingram and Zubac for a talented PF that plays above the rim, can score and play defense.
Give JR credit for his passing...but above average passing from the PF position is not enough for lacking the primary skills needed from today's PF. |
Name me 5 of them in the NBA that fit that criteria not named Anthony Davis.
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Name 5 PFs in the NBA that even play "Above the rim" not named Blake Griffin or Anthony Davis. |
Gary Nance Jr. |
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socalsp3
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| AllorNothing wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | M2K wrote: | I have no problem trading Julius Randle and anyone not named Russell, Ingram and Zubac for a talented PF that plays above the rim, can score and play defense.
Give JR credit for his passing...but above average passing from the PF position is not enough for lacking the primary skills needed from today's PF. |
Name me 5 of them in the NBA that fit that criteria not named Anthony Davis.
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Name 5 PFs in the NBA that even play "Above the rim" not named Blake Griffin or Anthony Davis. |
Gary Nance Jr. |
Who can play a lot of minutes without getting injured. |
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dao
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| defense wrote: | | J.C. Smith wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | I'm just curious, what did you rate his last game? |
Not sure off hand, either average or below par because of the context (its fresh in my mind). Going by stats it would be an average game due to better than average scoring, below average rebounding.
If you want to go by every game since the All-Star break for example his numbers look like this:
13 points (4-9), 10 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 steal - Slightly above par
13 points (6-12), 11 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 steal - above par
6 points (2-9), 12 rebounds, 4 assists - This is one of those tough ones I was talking about, you probalby have to give him an average or below par due to the shooting, but 12 rebounds and 4 assists is above par.
23 points (10-14), 19 rebounds, 6 assists, 2 blocks, 3 steals - great
13 points (5-13), 7 rebounds, 3 assists - Below par
13 points (3-8), 18 rebounds, 10 assists, 1 steal - great
13 points (5-11), 8 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 block, 1 steal - average
21 points (8-18), 12 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 blocks - good
7 points (3-8), 8 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 block - Below par
32 points (3-17), 8 rebounds, 2 assists - great
4 points (1-6), 12 rebounds, 8 assists, 1 block - average due to poor shooting but high rebounds and assists
10 points (3-9), 7 rebounds, 7 assists - I'd consider this average due to the good all around game though could also be considered below par.
19 points (7-13), 7 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 block, 1 steal - Now reading thorugh teh box score this would be an average, knowing the context we know his second half was better than his first and some might say below average.
So there's 13 games since the All-Star break and that break down would be:
If you give him an average on each of those tough tougher to call ones:
Below Par: 2 (15.4%)
Average: 5 (38.5%)
Above Par: 2 (15.4%)
Good: 1 (7.6%)
Great: 3 (23.1%)
If you want to take the critical route and count all of the borderline games as poor games then you wind up a number still substantially better than his insinuations) with more above average than below average games.
Below Par: 5 (38.5%)
Average: 2 (15.4%)
Above Par: 2 (15.4%)
Good: 1 (76%)
Great: 3 (23.1%)
If you meet in the middle of those two you wind up with a similar percentage to the numbers I showed in the full season post. He has a below par or bad game a bit over once every four games over the course of the season.
Now looking at the stats there, you tell me. That's the past 13 games. I'm not seeing any no shows. I think it's fairly typical of what we've come to expect of him. And for that matter it's not all that different than what you are going to see from a lot of young players.
His worst game in the past month is a 7/8/2/1 game when he played only 24 minutes. If your gauge is the scoring he had 3 games (23.1%) where he scored single digits. He took less than 8 shots per game in those three. He had 7+ rebounds in all 13 games, and double digits in 8 of them (61.5%). He had at least 2 assists in every game, and 6+ in 5 of them (38.5%). He has had at least 1 block in 5 of the past 7 games, and taken at least one three pointer in each of the past 7 games (hitting 33.3%). That's going to lower his field goal percentage, but it's something people have been wanting to see.
@defense: I'd love to see you directly respond and give your thoughts rather than cower in the shadows and commenting indirectly while leaving childish remarks. And yes, that's a challenge. |
It was just a joke, its not that serious.
What do I think of Randle? Last game like just about all the other young guys I thought he was terrible. Over all this season I think he's been underwhelming. My honest opinion is as of now I don't think he's a good fit with the other starters. I'm sure he will get better but will it be good enough to make up for his deficiencies? I think that is the big question and my guess as of now is that he wont but I could be wrong. So that's my general outlook on Randle, happy?
Keep in mind my opinion of him could easily change with simple improvements in effort and shot selection. I tend to focus on a lot of stuff other than raw stats. That's just my approach. |
He's a stat sheet stuffer, there's no doubt about that. He averages 16.3 points, 10.8 rebounds, 4.7 assists per 36 minutes, which looks pretty good.
He is still only 22, so he's several seasons away from his prime. His TS% last year was 48.2, jumped to 53.6 this year. That's still not very good, but we should expect it to keep going up as he gets more experienced.
The problem I have with Randle is that his impact on the court doesn't seem to match his box score stats. And the one size fits all advanced stats bare that out. Randle is currently the #66 PF in the NBA in real plus minus. despite his solid box score averages. Why? All the things we keep complaining about. Activity/motor off ball, failure to do the "little things," poor defense, etc.
Just watching the two play, it's pretty clear to me that the team performs better with Nance on the court. The advanced stats bare that out. Nance has a significantly higher BPM than Randle, and Nance is currently the #23 PF in the NBA in real plus minus. Nance only averages 11.2 points, 8.8 rebounds, 2.3 assists per 36. But he's a more effective player than Randle because he excels in the things Randle is weakest at. |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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Keep shooting them threes  |
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anpherknee
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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| I read he's a stat sheet stuffer in Mark Jackson's voice and I encourage you all to do the same |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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| you guys keep whining about him can't stretch the floor and he's doing exactly that in this past few games, and we still hear the bad things about him here. Even i guess if Randle become a defensive monster ala Ron Artest, people will accuse him too wild and old fashioned. |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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| This is one of Julius's better games in a while. Did a great job shooting and played good defense against KAT in the 4th. |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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A game of details for Jules tonight. Doing the little thangz.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Nice game from JR overall. |
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anpherknee
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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mans dont shoot that one three before the end of the quarter and he'd be shoosting 39% from 3 in March
we'll take that 37% tho
edit: the first way I wrote it looked bout goofy den a mugg
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SOLID GAME:
23 points (8-14 FG), 12 rebs, 3 asts., 2 blocks |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Ha d a big block on KAT late in the 4th. Would love to see more of these defensive moments. |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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| I like seeing him shoot the three ball. |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Big for his performance at the end of the game, lots of energy and a clutch basket over Towns after a huge block. |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Practice wrote: | | I like seeing him shoot the three ball. |
Yah, keep letting them 3's fly. Larry should too, no hesitation. Our guys are capable of this, don't shy away from the moment. |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Good to see him have a good all around game. |
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dao
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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strong game. If he can make the 3ball a legitimate part of his repertoire, he'll officially win me over. That would be a game changer, big time. Shoot 1500 threes a day this offseason, like Reggie says
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panamaniac
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| dao wrote: | | strong game. If he can make the 3ball a legitimate part of his repertoire, he'll officially win me over. That would be a game changer, big time. |
Yep. |
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