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| dao wrote: | Randle has been put on notice by the front office. First there was that Ding article that was released right before the Russell trade.
http://lakers.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Lakers-have-concerns-about-Russell-Randle--53241388
| Quote: | There is still a lot to like about both Russell and Randle as well, but there are also ongoing questions about how well they take criticism, according to team sources. Lakers head coach Luke Walton entered the season asking Russell to be less of a know-it-all and more of a leader for the group, while he hoped Randle would emulate Draymond Green in using every perceived slight as motivation.
Though both players improved their games, neither advanced as far as Walton had hoped. Russell was inconsistent with his professionalism, and Randle often lost messages given to him if they were delivered harshly." |
And then the FO let the Pacers choose between taking Clarkson or Randle. That's a clear sign that they are ready to give up on Randle just like they gave up on Russell.
The workouts are nice and all, but Randle's physique is the LEAST of his problems as a player. He needs to get into the film room and learn the mental aspects of the game. It's clear from this Ding article that he hasn't responded well to constructive criticism about these aspects of the game.
Now the front office has basically written him off. They tried to dump him to Indiana, but the Pacers see the same problems that the Lakers see, so they don't want him. Then the Lakers draft a stretch 4 in Kuzma, which makes Randle even more expendable. The writing is on the wall for Randle. Luckily for him, his trade value is too low for the Lakers to get a great return via trade, and he has a chance to salvage his career as a Laker this year. Let's see how he responds. |
What did the Ding farticle say? |
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It messes me up a little that if the players don't connect with Luke they could be gone, but Luke is just as unproven as the young guys.
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| KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | dao wrote: | Randle has been put on notice by the front office. First there was that Ding article that was released right before the Russell trade.
http://lakers.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Lakers-have-concerns-about-Russell-Randle--53241388
| Quote: | There is still a lot to like about both Russell and Randle as well, but there are also ongoing questions about how well they take criticism, according to team sources. Lakers head coach Luke Walton entered the season asking Russell to be less of a know-it-all and more of a leader for the group, while he hoped Randle would emulate Draymond Green in using every perceived slight as motivation.
Though both players improved their games, neither advanced as far as Walton had hoped. Russell was inconsistent with his professionalism, and Randle often lost messages given to him if they were delivered harshly." |
And then the FO let the Pacers choose between taking Clarkson or Randle. That's a clear sign that they are ready to give up on Randle just like they gave up on Russell.
The workouts are nice and all, but Randle's physique is the LEAST of his problems as a player. He needs to get into the film room and learn the mental aspects of the game. It's clear from this Ding article that he hasn't responded well to constructive criticism about these aspects of the game.
Now the front office has basically written him off. They tried to dump him to Indiana, but the Pacers see the same problems that the Lakers see, so they don't want him. Then the Lakers draft a stretch 4 in Kuzma, which makes Randle even more expendable. The writing is on the wall for Randle. Luckily for him, his trade value is too low for the Lakers to get a great return via trade, and he has a chance to salvage his career as a Laker this year. Let's see how he responds. |
What did the Ding farticle say? |
it's in the quote above, bolded. |
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Now that Randle is lighter I'm sure we will see a more faster, quicker, explosive Julius. Hopefully he improves is jumpshot, if he does I see 16/8/3
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| dao wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | dao wrote: | Randle has been put on notice by the front office. First there was that Ding article that was released right before the Russell trade.
http://lakers.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Lakers-have-concerns-about-Russell-Randle--53241388
| Quote: | There is still a lot to like about both Russell and Randle as well, but there are also ongoing questions about how well they take criticism, according to team sources. Lakers head coach Luke Walton entered the season asking Russell to be less of a know-it-all and more of a leader for the group, while he hoped Randle would emulate Draymond Green in using every perceived slight as motivation.
Though both players improved their games, neither advanced as far as Walton had hoped. Russell was inconsistent with his professionalism, and Randle often lost messages given to him if they were delivered harshly." |
And then the FO let the Pacers choose between taking Clarkson or Randle. That's a clear sign that they are ready to give up on Randle just like they gave up on Russell.
The workouts are nice and all, but Randle's physique is the LEAST of his problems as a player. He needs to get into the film room and learn the mental aspects of the game. It's clear from this Ding article that he hasn't responded well to constructive criticism about these aspects of the game.
Now the front office has basically written him off. They tried to dump him to Indiana, but the Pacers see the same problems that the Lakers see, so they don't want him. Then the Lakers draft a stretch 4 in Kuzma, which makes Randle even more expendable. The writing is on the wall for Randle. Luckily for him, his trade value is too low for the Lakers to get a great return via trade, and he has a chance to salvage his career as a Laker this year. Let's see how he responds. |
What did the Ding farticle say? |
it's in the quote above, bolded. |
He just wanted to say farticle. |
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| hahaha oops. but yea, farticle had to be said |
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| KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | hahaha oops. but yea, farticle had to be said |
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| dao wrote: | Randle has been put on notice by the front office. First there was that Ding article that was released right before the Russell trade.
http://lakers.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Lakers-have-concerns-about-Russell-Randle--53241388
| Quote: | There is still a lot to like about both Russell and Randle as well, but there are also ongoing questions about how well they take criticism, according to team sources. Lakers head coach Luke Walton entered the season asking Russell to be less of a know-it-all and more of a leader for the group, while he hoped Randle would emulate Draymond Green in using every perceived slight as motivation.
Though both players improved their games, neither advanced as far as Walton had hoped. Russell was inconsistent with his professionalism, and Randle often lost messages given to him if they were delivered harshly." |
And then the FO let the Pacers choose between taking Clarkson or Randle. That's a clear sign that they are ready to give up on Randle just like they gave up on Russell.
The new trainer and instagram pics are nice and all, but Randle's physique is the LEAST of his problems as a player. He needs to get into the film room and learn the mental aspects of the game. He needs to learn the basics of being a good team defender. He needs to learn to be active off the ball on offense. He needs to play with a high motor and high IQ off the ball on both ends of the court. It's clear from this Ding article that he hasn't responded well to constructive criticism about these aspects of the game.
Now the front office has basically written him off. They tried to dump him to Indiana, but the Pacers see the same problems that the Lakers see, so they don't want him. Then the Lakers draft a stretch 4 in Kuzma, which makes Randle even more expendable. The writing is on the wall for Randle. Luckily for him, his trade value is too low for the Lakers to get a great return via trade, and he has a chance to salvage his career as a Laker this year. Let's see how he responds. |
I've said before that I don't buy the Ding article, simply because both Julius and Luke Walton have said the exact opposite. Julius has said repeatedly that he wants Luke and his teammates to get on him if he's making mistakes. Luke said he really got on Julius during a practice and called him the following night, then Julius had a triple double the next game.
Even when Byron Scott was the coach and criticizing Randle he responded well.
The main critique we know the front office has had of him is being in shape. His cardio just hasn't been up to par and going by Julius and his trainers comments much of it had to do with diet (something a lot of rookies struggle with, even Kobe). Better cardio is going to lead to him being more consistent. It wasn't a coincidence that Julius typically played poorly on back to backs. |
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| justsomelakerfan wrote: | | It messes me up a little that if the players don't connect with Luke they could be gone, but Luke is just as unproven as the young guys. |
Those players aren't delivering so I have no problem.
Young players taking too many possessions off, with a poor effort on defense and primadona attitude don't belong to a winning program and our results are compatible with that. Man up, adapt or go out.
Luke was able to win in Golden State with a great team, good or bad coach you know he can run good players.
By the way, Julius was another player demoted under Scott and Clarkson stats are regressing for two straight seasons, but he at least plays hard every game.
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| justsomelakerfan wrote: | | It messes me up a little that if the players don't connect with Luke they could be gone, but Luke is just as unproven as the young guys. |
It's the way it has always been. Coach gets to act like the king until absolutely proven otherwise. Players must do as told until proven to be great and then nobody will care how they act.
Any deviation from this and you are considered a maverick or uncoachable. |
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With Lopez I think Randle's even more important to us, in terms of boards, second chance points and just providing a scoring option for Ball to find near the basket. If his physical condition means he will improve his transition defence later in games, great.
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| Pidge wrote: | | With Lopez I think Randle's even more important to us, in terms of boards, second chance points and just providing a scoring option for Ball to find near the basket. If his physical condition means he will improve his transition defence later in games, great. |
Excited to see what Randle can do with that space that provides playing alongside a stretch 5. Hopefully he's still here next season. |
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| Truck Turner wrote: | | dao wrote: | Randle has been put on notice by the front office. First there was that Ding article that was released right before the Russell trade.
http://lakers.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Lakers-have-concerns-about-Russell-Randle--53241388
| Quote: | There is still a lot to like about both Russell and Randle as well, but there are also ongoing questions about how well they take criticism, according to team sources. Lakers head coach Luke Walton entered the season asking Russell to be less of a know-it-all and more of a leader for the group, while he hoped Randle would emulate Draymond Green in using every perceived slight as motivation.
Though both players improved their games, neither advanced as far as Walton had hoped. Russell was inconsistent with his professionalism, and Randle often lost messages given to him if they were delivered harshly." |
And then the FO let the Pacers choose between taking Clarkson or Randle. That's a clear sign that they are ready to give up on Randle just like they gave up on Russell.
The new trainer and instagram pics are nice and all, but Randle's physique is the LEAST of his problems as a player. He needs to get into the film room and learn the mental aspects of the game. He needs to learn the basics of being a good team defender. He needs to learn to be active off the ball on offense. He needs to play with a high motor and high IQ off the ball on both ends of the court. It's clear from this Ding article that he hasn't responded well to constructive criticism about these aspects of the game.
Now the front office has basically written him off. They tried to dump him to Indiana, but the Pacers see the same problems that the Lakers see, so they don't want him. Then the Lakers draft a stretch 4 in Kuzma, which makes Randle even more expendable. The writing is on the wall for Randle. Luckily for him, his trade value is too low for the Lakers to get a great return via trade, and he has a chance to salvage his career as a Laker this year. Let's see how he responds. |
I've said before that I don't buy the Ding article, simply because both Julius and Luke Walton have said the exact opposite. Julius has said repeatedly that he wants Luke and his teammates to get on him if he's making mistakes. Luke said he really got on Julius during a practice and called him the following night, then Julius had a triple double the next game.
Even when Byron Scott was the coach and criticizing Randle he responded well.
The main critique we know the front office has had of him is being in shape. His cardio just hasn't been up to par and going by Julius and his trainers comments much of it had to do with diet (something a lot of rookies struggle with, even Kobe). Better cardio is going to lead to him being more consistent. It wasn't a coincidence that Julius typically played poorly on back to backs. |
Yeah, I remember Luke talking about how he was hard on Julius and Julius responded the next game. So, I don't know much about that article, but the only report of when Luke was tough on Julius, Luke said he responded. But hopefully it won't take that next season.
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I'm not sure how we can keep Randle and go after TWO max free agents.
What's Randle's cap hold going to be and will we need to renounce his rights to sign 2 max guys? |
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| dao wrote: | Randle has been put on notice by the front office. First there was that Ding article that was released right before the Russell trade.
http://lakers.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Lakers-have-concerns-about-Russell-Randle--53241388
| Quote: | There is still a lot to like about both Russell and Randle as well, but there are also ongoing questions about how well they take criticism, according to team sources. Lakers head coach Luke Walton entered the season asking Russell to be less of a know-it-all and more of a leader for the group, while he hoped Randle would emulate Draymond Green in using every perceived slight as motivation.
Though both players improved their games, neither advanced as far as Walton had hoped. Russell was inconsistent with his professionalism, and Randle often lost messages given to him if they were delivered harshly." |
And then the FO let the Pacers choose between taking Clarkson or Randle. That's a clear sign that they are ready to give up on Randle just like they gave up on Russell.
The new trainer and instagram pics are nice and all, but Randle's physique is the LEAST of his problems as a player. He needs to get into the film room and learn the mental aspects of the game. He needs to learn the basics of being a good team defender. He needs to learn to be active off the ball on offense. He needs to play with a high motor and high IQ off the ball on both ends of the court. It's clear from this Ding article that he hasn't responded well to constructive criticism about these aspects of the game.
Now the front office has basically written him off. They tried to dump him to Indiana, but the Pacers see the same problems that the Lakers see, so they don't want him. Then the Lakers draft a stretch 4 in Kuzma, which makes Randle even more expendable. The writing is on the wall for Randle. Luckily for him, his trade value is too low for the Lakers to get a great return via trade, and he has a chance to salvage his career as a Laker this year. Let's see how he responds. |
Have you been to school? There's a reason people go for years. It takes time to learn how to do things well.
I don't know about you, but I know a lot more about basketball now then when I was 21.
And lol about the bolded. Dump him. Dump him. They offered to trade him for Paul George. Trading for Paul George isn't dumping. Your whole premise is wrong.
Also acting like Kuzma won't have to learn all of things at a nba level either.
JR has his faults but you're making things up. |
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| E_Wulf420 wrote: | | Now that Randle is lighter I'm sure we will see a more faster, quicker, explosive Julius. Hopefully he improves is jumpshot, if he does I see 16/8/3 |
That is all nice and well.
But if he will not improve his D, he can take his 16/8 in Indiana.
I find it utterly unfair that Russell was (after the trade) singled out for the lack of D while Clarkson and Randle where much worse.
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| Shaber wrote: | | I find it utterly unfair that Russell was (after the trade) singled out for the lack of D while Clarkson and Randle where much worse. |
Singled out? That's pretty much the only thing magic didn't complain about in regards to russell...
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Yeah, nobody has really gone in on Russell for his defense, or his play overall. The issue with Russell was mostly about his lack of leadership, perceived lack of work ethic, and immaturity.
All the complaints about Defense fall on Randle and Clarkson. |
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| Randles going to go at some point if we are going after 2 max guys....I hope plays well enough so at the trade dead line someone would be willing to eat Dengs contract to get him....if the FO can move off Deng and still keep BI and Ball and a number of their good young pieces, Nance, Zubac, (hart who I expect to be good) etc. The FO will have done a really good job in one year |
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| JohnWick wrote: | I'm not sure how we can keep Randle and go after TWO max free agents.
What's Randle's cap hold going to be and will we need to renounce his rights to sign 2 max guys? |
12.5m. If the 2 max goal is still alive, both he and JC are likely casualties too.
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| JohnWick wrote: | I'm not sure how we can keep Randle and go after TWO max free agents.
What's Randle's cap hold going to be and will we need to renounce his rights to sign 2 max guys? |
Yes, so better trade him now.
Hopefully unloading Deng as a result. |
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| rogers49 wrote: | | JohnWick wrote: | I'm not sure how we can keep Randle and go after TWO max free agents.
What's Randle's cap hold going to be and will we need to renounce his rights to sign 2 max guys? |
Yes, so better trade him now.
Hopefully unloading Deng as a result. |
I hate that the team would give up on Jules to chase the 2 max deal. But if they are hell bent on it, the reality is that the team cannot keep him and pay 2 max deals.
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I am more of the mindset that I prefer Randle having a "break out" year and that his 16/8 (or better) and overall play makes it a difficult decision between a long term plan of his max contract of approx $20 M or a short term retirement package for $35M+.
Third year. Improved fitness and understanding of what he needs to work on. A system and PG that will get him the ball as he cuts or open jumpshots instead of having to create for himself.
I must have much more confidence in what Randle can produce then most of you. IMO a long term part of the puzzle instead of dumped for a "possibility" of 2 max contracts and all the implications they bring, good and bad! |
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| Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | I am more of the mindset that I prefer Randle having a "break out" year and that his 16/8 (or better) and overall play makes it a difficult decision between a long term plan of his max contract of approx $20 M or a short term retirement package for $35M+.
Third year. Improved fitness and understanding of what he needs to work on. A system and PG that will get him the ball as he cuts or open jumpshots instead of having to create for himself.
I must have much more confidence in what Randle can produce then most of you. IMO a long term part of the puzzle instead of dumped for a "possibility" of 2 max contracts and all the implications they bring, good and bad! |
It's a ticking time bomb. I prefer to keep Jules and see what happens, but the team may decide to trade him (already dangled for PG13) lest they get a Nerlens Noel return (poor) b/c he's a RFA coming up.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | JohnWick wrote: | I'm not sure how we can keep Randle and go after TWO max free agents.
What's Randle's cap hold going to be and will we need to renounce his rights to sign 2 max guys? |
12.5m. If the 2 max goal is still alive, both he and JC are likely casualties too. |
I hate that their hell bent on building a super team. They could have stayed patient and just signed PG in the summer and added him to Randle Russell Clarkson Ball and Ingram. That team has more potential than Lebron PG and scrubs
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