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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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LakerLand247 wrote: | Randle better just suck it up and be happy that he is still a Laker. |
Why would he be happy to be a Laker? Have the past 4 seasons not existed? I would guess he would rather be a Spur. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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anpherknee Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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nickuku wrote: | anpherknee wrote: | maybe he needs a backiatomy guise
lets sprinkle some excuses in there for my son cuz I love him and stuff
he fought through those injuries like a CHAMPION tonight
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off topic but you should stream 2k |
Ima probably be back on that tomorrow
I aint played in like 3 weeks smh |
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anpherknee Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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Chronicle wrote: | Randle's entire career really got ruined by that game one injury |
dont worry
atkinson will save him too
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LakerLand247 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | LakerLand247 wrote: | Randle better just suck it up and be happy that he is still a Laker. |
Why would he be happy to be a Laker? Have the past 4 seasons not existed? I would guess he would rather be a Spur. |
Can you drive him over there? No one will miss him. |
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kobe_4_mvp Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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LakerLand247 wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | LakerLand247 wrote: | Randle better just suck it up and be happy that he is still a Laker. |
Why would he be happy to be a Laker? Have the past 4 seasons not existed? I would guess he would rather be a Spur. |
Can you drive him over there? No one will miss him. |
he can carpool with me. 50 wins every season ain't so bad. |
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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I was hoping he'd dominate the clips 2nd unit. |
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J.C. Smith Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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Bsim31 wrote: | Had horrible turnovers...was taking and clanking contested shots. The second he came in Griffin exploded...couldn’t hedge a pick to save his life. Gave up countless offensive rebounds. I can keep going. |
He had two turnovers. One was a bad one in garbage time... the other was an iffy offensive foul.
Where were the bad shots? He had one bad miss on a mid-range shot. A missed three which he took with confidence, another missed jumper. And his other miss was when he fell looking like he was fouled on a post up. I assume that one shot is the "bad shots" you were talking about? He was 4/8 on the night.
With regards to his defense on Griffin. Blake posterized him in the first quarter, and hit a pretty nice looking step back three. Randle defended him well otherwise. Had a couple nice defensive possessions against him later in the game. Haven't rewatched the tape but I thought he had a second block as well that he wasn't credited for.
That having been said I do think Nance outplayed him tonight. First time I think that was the case in the early season/preseason though. |
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MJST Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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J.C. Smith wrote: | Bsim31 wrote: | Had horrible turnovers...was taking and clanking contested shots. The second he came in Griffin exploded...couldn’t hedge a pick to save his life. Gave up countless offensive rebounds. I can keep going. |
He had two turnovers. One was a bad one in garbage time... the other was an iffy offensive foul.
Where were the bad shots? He had one bad miss on a mid-range shot. A missed three which he took with confidence, another missed jumper. And his other miss was when he fell looking like he was fouled on a post up. I assume that one shot is the "bad shots" you were talking about? He was 4/8 on the night.
With regards to his defense on Griffin. Blake posterized him in the first quarter, and hit a pretty nice looking step back three. Randle defended him well otherwise. Had a couple nice defensive possessions against him later in the game. Haven't rewatched the tape but I thought he had a second block as well that he wasn't credited for.
That having been said I do think Nance outplayed him tonight. First time I think that was the case in the early season/preseason though. |
Thank you for consistently bringing sense against the hyperbole ^_^ _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
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Worthy42 Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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The positive was that he was out there tonight, healthy. The negative was that he was out there tonight...
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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Worthy42 wrote: | The positive was that he was out there tonight, healthy. The negative was that he was out there tonight...
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Lol. Jk. |
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justsomelakerfan Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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I really do think the Lakers are doing Julius Randle wrong this season. _________________ Austin Reaves
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MJST Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:29 am Post subject: |
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For the record, Luke essentially admitted tonight that Randle's outplayed and is the better player than Nance.
But the reason he starts Nance is because he thinks Nance is better with the starting unit. He says this without giving Randle any time with the starting unit in pre-season and barely playing him next to Lopez in practice. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
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justsomelakerfan Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:31 am Post subject: |
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MJST wrote: | For the record, Luke essentially admitted tonight that Randle's outplayed and is the better player than Nance.
But the reason he starts Nance is because he thinks Nance is better with the starting unit. He says this without giving Randle any time with the starting unit in pre-season and barely playing him next to Lopez in practice. |
Which is just crazy to me lol
"We haven't tried Randle with Lopez yet but we feel Larry's the better fit" yeah ok bud _________________ Austin Reaves
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:33 am Post subject: |
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MJST wrote: | For the record, Luke essentially admitted tonight that Randle's outplayed and is the better player than Nance.
But the reason he starts Nance is because he thinks Nance is better with the starting unit. He says this without giving Randle any time with the starting unit in pre-season and barely playing him next to Lopez in practice. |
I thought he said starting doesn't mean you're the better player. He didn't say Julius was the better player either. Or was there another interview I missed? |
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MJST Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:44 am Post subject: |
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epak wrote: | MJST wrote: | For the record, Luke essentially admitted tonight that Randle's outplayed and is the better player than Nance.
But the reason he starts Nance is because he thinks Nance is better with the starting unit. He says this without giving Randle any time with the starting unit in pre-season and barely playing him next to Lopez in practice. |
I thought he said starting doesn't mean you're the better player. He didn't say Julius was the better player either. Or was there another interview I missed? |
No, he said that he had to tell Julius it wasn't about being the better player or playing better, it was about which units he felt fit best.
Which is bull, especially when your starting unit could use a lot more offense.
So Luke pretty much could say with that logic "Yeah Kuzma is outplaying Ingram, and Julius is outplaying Nance.. But I PERSONALLY think (though I've never given any other kind of lineup an opportunity to prove me wrong) that this lineup is better to start games.
Maybe Luke should come to grips with the fact that, the lineup he put out there is NOT the best to start games and he should be putting the best players out there so that we aren't playing behind the 8 Ball the entire game!! Just a thought!!
He was going to start Ingram at the 2 tonight.. cool.. but then he played Deng instead of Kuzma and undoes any kind of progress with that idea.
Luke could have trotted out there a lineup of
Lonzo Ball
Brandon Ingram
Kyle Kuzma
Julius Randle
Brook Lopez
Larry and JC whom have a natural chemistry would have come off the bench and been asked to maintain or push the lead and that's what you want a guy so intent on scoring as JC doing for your 2nd unit, and Nance with Bogut behind him and Deng beside him could help defensively. And that unit can have 3 of their 5 players be primarily defenders, because the offense would be primarily coming from JC in the 2nd unit, which is what he wants to do anyway, and the table setting could be done by Caruso.
It's NOT that hard of a concept, but Luke has no flipping clue about the best concepts which work for X's and O's reasons, he just goes "well despite the evidence, I think this will work better." and all he needs is one victory in the sea of 5 losses to tell him "hey it worked that one time so we'll stick with that."
Maybe Luke should realize that Lonzo isn't gonna be able to do much with a lineup with only one guy capable of getting their own shot, and that guy being the center. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:47 am Post subject: |
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Anyway. That doesn't mean he's saying Julius is the better player or even implying it. I don't care who the better player is, I just wanna point out he didn't say Julius is the better player. So there's no for the record. |
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KeepItRealOrElse Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:51 am Post subject: |
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You can't be a baby and not come to play off the bench bro. |
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:08 am Post subject: |
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Wanna see what Randle looks like starting alongside Brook. He hasn't had a floor spacing big his whole career. Think Randle could thrive with extra driving room. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better” |
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:10 am Post subject: |
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kikanga wrote: | Wanna see what Randle looks like starting alongside Brook. He hasn't had a floor spacing big his whole career. Think Randle could thrive with extra driving room. |
Me too. |
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MJST Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:13 am Post subject: |
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kikanga wrote: | Wanna see what Randle looks like starting alongside Brook. He hasn't had a floor spacing big his whole career. Think Randle could thrive with extra driving room. |
Not like Randle could do much else at this point, he outplayed Nance in pre-season, was our 2nd best player.
And IN practices in the last 2 weeks of training camp he, Kyle Kuzma and Thomas Bryant kept consistently beating the starters(whom Nance was playing with) AND Lopez.
So there isn't much more Randle can do to prove himself. Luke had to literally tell him it's not about Randle being better than Nance, Playing better than Nance, or being a better player than Nance. Cause he's stuck on thinking Nance is a better fit next to Lopez despite the fact he's literally never played Randle with Lopez in games or in practice to even draw that conclusion.
I'm getting sick of Luke tbh. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:19 am Post subject: |
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Just so everyone has the right quote:
Quote: | Ryan Ward
@RyanWardLA
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Luke Walton on Julius Randle (1/2): “I’ve explained it’s not about being better or playing better, it’s about what units play well…” #Lakers
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That does not mean "Julius is better."
He may be. He may not be. But how do u read it?
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blackmamba08 Star Player
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:21 am Post subject: |
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Julius is the best example of Luke being too friendly and soft with players. With his attitude and effort vs Clippers he should be DNP CD for next five games. I mean he looks like offended that he came of the bench. That attitude is wrong and cannot be tolerated. Make yourself valuable and you will start. Show something to the coaching staff. |
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MJST Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:48 am Post subject: |
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blackmamba08 wrote: | Julius is the best example of Luke being too friendly and soft with players. With his attitude and effort vs Clippers he |
yeah it was only a problem for about 2 minutes. Rest of the game it wasn't.
better example of Luke being soft with players? Not making Ingram earn his start despite Kuzma outplaying him, and handing the start to Nance whom never earned it. Start there. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk |
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BigBoi Star Player
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 4:25 am Post subject: |
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MJST wrote: | blackmamba08 wrote: | Julius is the best example of Luke being too friendly and soft with players. With his attitude and effort vs Clippers he |
yeah it was only a problem for about 2 minutes. Rest of the game it wasn't.
better example of Luke being soft with players? Not making Ingram earn his start despite Kuzma outplaying him, and handing the start to Nance whom never earned it. Start there. |
Starting Nance ahead of Julius is the only thing Luke has managed to get right in his Laker tenure besides that he’s been terrible |
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manlisten Star Player
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:44 am Post subject: |
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Randle looked horrible last nite. That was a game where all the hate was justified. He had no confidence at all and played like a meme of all his weaknesses. Really disappointing after how well he looked in preseason. Completely ineffective on both sides. Expecting him to bounce back in a big way against PHX, a team he's had success against in the past. _________________ It was reminiscent of one of those Most Interesting Man in the World advertisements: "I don't always shoot 6-for-28 from the field, but when I do, I become the youngest player in league history to score 28,000 career points." |
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