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Car54
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| splashmtn wrote: | | Car54 wrote: | | splashmtn wrote: | | 44TheLogo wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | fansincemagic wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Watching these playoffs, having a small ball center who can switch and recover is so invaluable. |
Agreed. When we worry about a handful of centers in the league giving him fits one on one, we have to keep his overall defensive worth in context. |
Yup, and even without a jumper, Julius' handle and improved passing along with his ability to exploit switches in the post make him a viable offensive weapon whereas a rebounding specialist like TT and even a roll man like Capela can be turned into total non-factors on offense with a simple switch. |
if/when we make the playoffs, which centers are we truly worried about in a 1 on 1 matchup with julius where they can overwhelm him with size?
new orleans w/ AD
philadelphia w/ Embiid
not scared of Julius in a 1 on 1 vs Nurkic, Jokic, Towns, Gobert, etc...
So there's what, 2 centers in the league who can really overwhelm Julius, and one is in the East. And to abuse that matchup it'd be a static low post possession? I am 100% fine with that. |
Randle vs Nurkic
http://stats.nba.com/vs/#!?PlayerID=203944&VsPlayerID=203994
I call even
Randle vs Jokic
Jokic wins this one
http://stats.nba.com/vs/#!?PlayerID=203944&VsPlayerID=203999
Randle vs Karl-Anthony Towns
Towns is a bit too much for Randle.
http://stats.nba.com/vs/#!?PlayerID=203944&VsPlayerID=1626157
Randle vs Gobert
close to even
http://stats.nba.com/vs/#!?PlayerID=203944&VsPlayerID=203497
Randle vs Embiid
We wants no parts of this matchup. randle is too small.
http://stats.nba.com/vs/#!?PlayerID=203944&VsPlayerID=203954
Randle vs AD
we already know how bad a matchup AD is for randle or any laker.
http://stats.nba.com/vs/#!?PlayerID=203944&VsPlayerID=203076 |
Im more interested in the win losses. I know we split with Philly. |
so am I. but i can't have any one guy on my team being DOMINATED before the jump ball in the 1st qtr. do you understand my point? |
I dont expect to win every match up at each position. I want the team win.
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Joe Pesci
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| 22 wrote: | | Joe Pesci wrote: | After drafting Chandler Hutchison at 25, I really think the Lakers’ ideal summer is:
(1st) signing George outright for full max
(2nd) (with the caveat that James WILL sign) packaging a sign and traded Randle with B. Ingram (plus filler) for K. Leonard
(3rd) trading away Deng with two future first round picks to ATL for space
(4th) signing James outright for full max
(5th) signing Lopez to Room Exception
(6th) signing N. Noel, A. Ingram, Caruso, Wear, Frye, and M. Thomas to minimum contracts
PG -James - Ball - Caruso
SG - Hart - A. Ingram - M. Thomas
C - Lopez - Noel - Frye - Bryant
PF - Leonard - Kuzma - Wear
SF - George - Hutchison |
Nope. Rather Keep Ju/BI and try to get Kawhi in 2019 |
Not a bad plan either, but then you miss out on James ... and Leonard may not be “as” available in 2019, even though on paper he’d be a free agent.
Also, trading Ingram and (S&T’d) Randle for Leonard (along with acquiring James and George) immeadiately makes the Lakers favorites to win the championship for the next four years. |
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Joe Pesci
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 3:36 am Post subject: |
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If Dallas is not in the picture for Randle, that’ll become clearer on draft day, Randle will be stuck in a holding pattern, for sure.
I think Dallas’ first choice is Cousins. He’s there’s to get. The only other team keeping Cousins from Dallas is Washington.
The Pelicans would prefer Cousins go there so they can poach Otto Porter, Gortat, and other’s in a sign and trade.
I’m pretty sure Cousins would prefer to play in Washington, so that’s probably what will happen, so Dallas, in my eyes, is and always has been, far and away, the biggest threat to steal Randle away.
We should all be praying that Dallas drafts a bigman who can’t shoot from outside. That’d dramatically increase the odds of Dallas passing on Randle, IMO. |
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AirKobe8
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 5:30 am Post subject: |
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Latest reports have Dallas going hard for Boogie/DeAndre. If that's true, they'd only consider Randle as a plan B IMO.
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BigGameHames
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 5:49 am Post subject: |
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| epak wrote: | | splashmtn wrote: | | 44TheLogo wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | fansincemagic wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Watching these playoffs, having a small ball center who can switch and recover is so invaluable. |
Agreed. When we worry about a handful of centers in the league giving him fits one on one, we have to keep his overall defensive worth in context. |
Yup, and even without a jumper, Julius' handle and improved passing along with his ability to exploit switches in the post make him a viable offensive weapon whereas a rebounding specialist like TT and even a roll man like Capela can be turned into total non-factors on offense with a simple switch. |
if/when we make the playoffs, which centers are we truly worried about in a 1 on 1 matchup with julius where they can overwhelm him with size?
new orleans w/ AD
philadelphia w/ Embiid
not scared of Julius in a 1 on 1 vs Nurkic, Jokic, Towns, Gobert, etc...
So there's what, 2 centers in the league who can really overwhelm Julius, and one is in the East. And to abuse that matchup it'd be a static low post possession? I am 100% fine with that. |
Randle vs Nurkic
http://stats.nba.com/vs/#!?PlayerID=203944&VsPlayerID=203994
I call even
Randle vs Jokic
Jokic wins this one
http://stats.nba.com/vs/#!?PlayerID=203944&VsPlayerID=203999
Randle vs Karl-Anthony Towns
Towns is a bit too much for Randle.
http://stats.nba.com/vs/#!?PlayerID=203944&VsPlayerID=1626157
Randle vs Gobert
close to even
http://stats.nba.com/vs/#!?PlayerID=203944&VsPlayerID=203497
Randle vs Embiid
We wants no parts of this matchup. randle is too small.
http://stats.nba.com/vs/#!?PlayerID=203944&VsPlayerID=203954
Randle vs AD
we already know how bad a matchup AD is for randle or any laker.
http://stats.nba.com/vs/#!?PlayerID=203944&VsPlayerID=203076 |
I'm on the side that would like Julius starting at the 4 and then sliding to the 5 at times during the game. |
I agree but it’s tough to find a center who can shoot and defend other centers better than Randle. |
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laker50
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 5:59 am Post subject: |
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The Lakers under Jessie have actually being making good draft decisions. And drafting Julius Randle was one of them.
All effort should be made to retain Randle at market value.
The problems were the terrible FA decisions made by the previous FO. I think you know they are.
But now the worse decision the FO can make is to give up first round draft picks to dump Deng or Dung. Mosgov and Deng is the result of following the FA course unlike the Celtics, Wolves, Spurs,
GSW, Utah, etc etc.
FA if a team gets dependent on it is doomed to failure.
The team has to learn to take its hits and build from the draft and wise decisons.
The wrong brother was selected for the FO. |
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I would be curious to have more insight into the conversations they had with Randle during the end of season interviews. How much interest or "love" were they giving him behind the scenes? It seems he does not understand his role in future plans. Big mistake IMO.
Randle is a young emerging player. Give him the respect of a long term contract as a primary focus. Even if they are blowing smoke up his butt like they did with Ball they should be making a bigger show of interest with Randle.
Give Randle a reason to stay. This is not the time to let a young player slip away because of chasing a dream. At the very least it likely has cost them a couple million a year by showing marginal interest in re-signing him.
Going to be disappointing if they let him get away for nothing and he emerges as a multiple All-Star level player with another team. |
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lakersfever714
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Poor JR. He's everyone's plan B and C. This is what's been holding us back. Our own lottery picks aren't even worth max extensions. So far, we've struck out with DLo and Randle. Hopefully, BI and Lonzo could turn into something decent.
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Baron Von Humongous
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 6:48 am Post subject: |
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | | Poor JR. He's everyone's plan B and C. This is what's been holding us back. Our own lottery picks aren't even worth max extensions. So far, we've struck out with DLo and Randle. Hopefully, BI and Lonzo could turn into something decent. |
*checks Steph Curry's second contract*
*checks Harrison Barnes' second contract*
"Yep, it checks out!"
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Nash Vegas
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| Car54 wrote: | | Chronicle wrote: | | Quote: | | We wants no parts of this matchup. randle is too small. |
Didn't randle do a great job against embiid in the second matchup? |
I believe thats the game Embiid was forced to make some tough shots and struggled at times tryjng to post randle up. |
Randle did a good job scoring on Embiid in the second game, but still did not do that good of a job guarding him.
Embiid scored 33 points, including 16 points with Randle guarding him primarily in the 4th quarter alone.
https://www.nba.com/lakers/news/171207-lakers-sixers-recap
I think Embiid loves having Randle guard him.
That game however had Randle taking it back to Embiid who got into foul trouble.
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 6:50 am Post subject: |
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| They should put out in the media, don’t waste your time will match every offer |
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UKUGA
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 8:26 am Post subject: |
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| Nash Vegas wrote: | | Car54 wrote: | | Chronicle wrote: | | Quote: | | We wants no parts of this matchup. randle is too small. |
Didn't randle do a great job against embiid in the second matchup? |
I believe thats the game Embiid was forced to make some tough shots and struggled at times tryjng to post randle up. |
Randle did a good job scoring on Embiid in the second game, but still did not do that good of a job guarding him.
Embiid scored 33 points, including 16 points with Randle guarding him primarily in the 4th quarter alone.
https://www.nba.com/lakers/news/171207-lakers-sixers-recap
I think Embiid loves having Randle guard him.
That game however had Randle taking it back to Embiid who got into foul trouble. |
That first game in Staples, Randle kind of got left alone trying to guard Embiid down the stretch.
He did a nice job in the second one in Philly. Made some effective adjustments.
Embiid is good. |
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 8:27 am Post subject: |
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| AirKobe8 wrote: | | Latest reports have Dallas going hard for Boogie/DeAndre. If that's true, they'd only consider Randle as a plan B IMO. |
Good.
Cuban loves a big name. Let him overpay one of those 2 guys. |
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 8:29 am Post subject: |
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| UKUGA wrote: | | AirKobe8 wrote: | | Latest reports have Dallas going hard for Boogie/DeAndre. If that's true, they'd only consider Randle as a plan B IMO. |
Good.
Cuban loves a big name. Let him overpay one of those 2 guys. |
I'm almost 100% sure that's a false rumor. It's no way Cuban would ever go after DAJ. |
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 8:30 am Post subject: |
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| UKUGA wrote: | | AirKobe8 wrote: | | Latest reports have Dallas going hard for Boogie/DeAndre. If that's true, they'd only consider Randle as a plan B IMO. |
Good.
Cuban loves a big name. Let him overpay one of those 2 guys. |
DeAndre... lol, he spurned Dallas for CP3/Blake and got left behind, not sure if Dallas wanna do it again |
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 8:32 am Post subject: |
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| governator wrote: | | UKUGA wrote: | | AirKobe8 wrote: | | Latest reports have Dallas going hard for Boogie/DeAndre. If that's true, they'd only consider Randle as a plan B IMO. |
Good.
Cuban loves a big name. Let him overpay one of those 2 guys. |
DeAndre... lol, he spurned Dallas for CP3/Blake and got left behind, not sure if Dallas wanna do it again |
Apparently they are looking for a big man to pair with Smith Jr |
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 8:36 am Post subject: |
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| defense wrote: | | governator wrote: | | UKUGA wrote: | | AirKobe8 wrote: | | Latest reports have Dallas going hard for Boogie/DeAndre. If that's true, they'd only consider Randle as a plan B IMO. |
Good.
Cuban loves a big name. Let him overpay one of those 2 guys. |
DeAndre... lol, he spurned Dallas for CP3/Blake and got left behind, not sure if Dallas wanna do it again |
Apparently they are looking for a big man to pair with Smith Jr |
Still curious how bad Nerlens Noel became? |
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 8:44 am Post subject: |
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| calistrtballr wrote: | | They should put out in the media, don’t waste your time will match every offer |
That would be fine if it was a max-level player. Doesn't work for a player of Randle's caliber. Teams will just throw over-market contracts at him to screw the Lakers, knowing they will match. Low key is the best way to go. They will have their chance to make Randle feel special. Everything before that is just meaningless posturing. Pelinka has been in regular touch with him. That's good enough for now. |
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 9:24 am Post subject: |
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| defense wrote: | | governator wrote: | | UKUGA wrote: | | AirKobe8 wrote: | | Latest reports have Dallas going hard for Boogie/DeAndre. If that's true, they'd only consider Randle as a plan B IMO. |
Good.
Cuban loves a big name. Let him overpay one of those 2 guys. |
DeAndre... lol, he spurned Dallas for CP3/Blake and got left behind, not sure if Dallas wanna do it again |
Apparently they are looking for a big man to pair with Smith Jr |
They want a good pick and roll finisher to pair with Smith. Noel isn’t one and neither is Cousins. DJ is pretty good but I doubt he opts out. Randle is also very good.
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 9:30 am Post subject: |
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| governator wrote: | | UKUGA wrote: | | AirKobe8 wrote: | | Latest reports have Dallas going hard for Boogie/DeAndre. If that's true, they'd only consider Randle as a plan B IMO. |
Good.
Cuban loves a big name. Let him overpay one of those 2 guys. |
DeAndre... lol, he spurned Dallas for CP3/Blake and got left behind, not sure if Dallas wanna do it again |
Maybe this time, Cuban will have his own chair ready. |
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 10:11 am Post subject: |
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| Ziggy wrote: | | calistrtballr wrote: | | They should put out in the media, don’t waste your time will match every offer |
That would be fine if it was a max-level player. Doesn't work for a player of Randle's caliber. Teams will just throw over-market contracts at him to screw the Lakers, knowing they will match. Low key is the best way to go. They will have their chance to make Randle feel special. Everything before that is just meaningless posturing. Pelinka has been in regular touch with him. That's good enough for now. |
Seems like a message could be found that would show a bit more respect towards Randle by the Lakers. Although I do agree it may be happening behind the scenes as we speak.
Lakers could easily be telling the world and more importantly Randle that he is a vital part of the Lakers moving forward. Saying they want to do everything possible to bring him back has little effect on the market. Except maybe have Randle a bit less open to listening or signing an offer sheet.
If a rival puts a ridiculous offer on the table both sides can shake hands and understand the business aspects. No harm no foul.
At this point the Lakers FO ambivalence seems more detrimental to any negotiation then helping it. Nobody likes to be considered a backup plan. As I said, maybe the message is different internally but this the one in the media. |
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 10:52 am Post subject: |
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| calistrtballr wrote: | | They should put out in the media, don’t waste your time will match every offer |
You might know this already, but the "We'll match any offer" statement is now illegal coming from organizations. I believe the Player's Association came up with it because it can seriously hurt a FA and their money making ability. Pretty shady business if you think about it. I'm glad they did away with it. |
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 9:30 am Post subject: |
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Blake Griffin's ankles beware! |
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 11:41 am Post subject: |
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| epak wrote: |
Blake Griffin's ankles beware! |
bahahah!! I just want him to break Blake off one time then my sig can ride off into the sunset ROFL |
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