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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:51 am Post subject:
fansincemagic wrote:
Thanks for the math on page one. It looks like if they pull off an Asik deal (MUCH more realistic than Deng) say 25 and Chicago's 2nd next year they'll be close but still need help. It would be about a 3.6M stretch hit annually (compared to 7.2 for Deng, almost unrealistic to rid him all together). With the pick gone and two centers renounced they'd save 1.7M, so you're looking at LBJ and George to EACH take just short of 900k off of their first year numbers. Man if it's that close I'd hope they'd do it.
Right, the Asik deal won't work to re-sign Randle without a paycut by either George or Lebron (even after trading away the #25 pick, Bryant and Zubac, replacing them with min. salary players). _________________ LakersGround's Terms of Service
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:55 am Post subject:
LakerSanity wrote:
fansincemagic wrote:
Thanks for the math on page one. It looks like if they pull off an Asik deal (MUCH more realistic than Deng) say 25 and Chicago's 2nd next year they'll be close but still need help. It would be about a 3.6M stretch hit annually (compared to 7.2 for Deng, almost unrealistic to rid him all together). With the pick gone and two centers renounced they'd save 1.7M, so you're looking at LBJ and George to EACH take just short of 900k off of their first year numbers. Man if it's that close I'd hope they'd do it.
Right, the Asik deal won't work to re-sign Randle without a paycut by either George or Lebron.
right - but it might serve as a pre-cursor, as Eric has elaborated.
Step 1. Trade deng +FRP for Asik
Step 2. Trade Asik +FRP for nothing.
Still costs you two FRP - but serves the same purpose (assuming you can't unload Deng for two FRP in one trade) _________________ Major bullets dodged: DH12 - twice, LMA, Melo - twice, PG-13, DeMar DeRozan. Hit jackpot with DH-12 at the right time
Came here to say this. I thought they'd be a dark horse candidate with their market & timeline. D'lo still friends with Ju.
Now it's up to the Mavs, who may be chasing bigger fish, and possibly the Suns, as the biggest threats to poach Julius (don't see him fitting in Atlanta's timeline).
can someone break down what would Randles max contract numbers look like over a 5 year span if he signed his max now vs if he signed his max in 2019? _________________ 48 49 50 52 53 54 72 80 82
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Scotto's pretty legit. Hope this takes Dallas out of the running & Julius is much easier to keep.
Goodrich, um, there's a lot of variables in your scenario, but assuming 25% max with 8% raises (toss in a trade-kicker and we're talking about massive overpay here)
Scotto's pretty legit. Hope this takes Dallas out of the running & Julius is much easier to keep.
Goodrich, um, there's a lot of variables in your scenario, but assuming 25% max with 8% raises (toss in a trade-kicker and we're talking about massive overpay here)
Scotto's pretty legit. Hope this takes Dallas out of the running & Julius is much easier to keep.
Goodrich, um, there's a lot of variables in your scenario, but assuming 25% max with 8% raises (toss in a trade-kicker and we're talking about massive overpay here)
2019, 108m cap: $27,000,000 + $29,160,000 + $31,492,800 + $34,012,224 + $36,733,201 = $158,398,225 (c'mon now. for JULIUS RANDLE?!)
im thinking if we want free agent Kawhi in 2019, so considering a 7M jump in cap space, keeping Randles relative low cap hold of ~12M would help us, and Deng would be an expiring, so much easier to move/stretch.
so for this to work, Randle would have to the the qualifying offer, and we would have to make up the difference of what he would earn over the next 4-5 years to him. so lets say the best offer he gets this summer is 20M (just an example) a year for 4 seasons, thats 80M he would be leaving on the table for us. so we give him 25M a year in 2019, making it 5M + 25M x 3 = 80M, to make up for the 20M a year contract he rejected. _________________ 48 49 50 52 53 54 72 80 82
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im thinking if we want free agent Kawhi in 2019, so considering a 7M jump in cap space, keeping Randles relative low cap hold of ~12M would help us, and Deng would be an expiring, so much easier to move/stretch.
so for this to work, Randle would have to the the qualifying offer, and we would have to make up the difference of what he would earn over the next 4-5 years to him. so lets say the best offer he gets this summer is 20M (just an example) a year for 4 seasons, thats 80M he would be leaving on the table for us. so we give him 25M a year in 2019, making it 5M + 25M x 3 = 80M, to make up for the 20M a year contract he rejected.
I see. You're trying the "wink-wink" deal & yeah, it's great in theory, but requires a lot of trust and no paper trail. I've tried this with Eric Pincus and he finds it highly unlikely. But yeah, in order to build the best possible team & keep as much talent as possible, sacrifices from certain players need to be made. I'd like the best for Randle & his family, we shall see.
Scotto's pretty legit. Hope this takes Dallas out of the running & Julius is much easier to keep.
Goodrich, um, there's a lot of variables in your scenario, but assuming 25% max with 8% raises (toss in a trade-kicker and we're talking about massive overpay here)
Unfortunately, if everything goes according to plan, Randle must be let go.
The Lakers could conceivably resign Randle then HOPE that San Antonio will want him when they reengage, but that’s just too damn risky and the Lakers’d lose leverage “asking” the Spurs to take Randle as opposed to simply already having the space and remaining a rather silent threat to them.
You could also resign him and HOPE to trade him somewhere other than San Antonio to clear space later for a potential Leonard signing, and that’d be somewhat reasonable considering you’d be able to get something back for Randle ... but the Lakers would have to find a team that not only wants Randle but also either has enough capspace to absorb his deal or has sufficient expiring deals to match Randle’s new salary.
Both ideas being potentially very overly complicated when the Lakers simply would want to, at that point, quickly get him off the roster to begin establishing leverage against the Spurs.
The biggest deterrent to trading Randle later, either to San Antonio or another team, would be his new salary. It would be beyond risky to resign Randle to a deal other than a huge discount. With a 15 or so million dollar contract, the risk of “easily” trading Randle in-season is just far too great.
When you couple this sentiment with the idea that playing with James and George will probably diminish his value, the risk becomes even greater.
Again, unless Randle is signed to a discount deal (QO or under 12 mill), the Lakers, unfortunately, will need to let him walk if they want to play the “Leonard leverage game” with San Antonio (or his new team) in hopes of signing the third integral piece to a potential championship level Big Three next summer. _________________ A creative scorer, a wing defender, and a shooter.
Even without the superteam, I think JR is a goner.
Dallas picked zero big man this draft and loaded up on guards.
Dirk is going to leave sooner, rather than later and they lost their pick for next season (1-5 protected). Cousins is better, but I don't think they would throw the money necessary to get Cousins.
Randle is probably their number 1 priority.
It's going to be ashame if we lose randle for nothing, when we probably could of packaged him with Deng and draft picks during the deadline.
Even without the superteam, I think JR is a goner.
Dallas picked zero big man this draft and loaded up on guards.
Dirk is going to leave sooner, rather than later and they lost their pick for next season (1-5 protected). Cousins is better, but I don't think they would throw the money necessary to get Cousins.
Randle is probably their number 1 priority.
It's going to be ashame if we lose randle for nothing, when we probably could of packaged him with Deng and draft picks during the deadline.
I think you’re right. Also, if Washington doesn’t get involved in the Cousins sweepstakes, Dallas has just enough capspace where they could possibly get both Randle and Cousins (if Cousins’ number is near 20 mill). _________________ A creative scorer, a wing defender, and a shooter.
Dallas is going after their center in free agency. Not the draft.
This was known when it was reported they were interested in Cousins and Deandre Jordan. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
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