Yes it does but as you said it boils down to moz deng signings. I’ll still take where we are now. Im sure part of the pitch to Lebron was bringing in another max next year. I guess the one thing they could have done was played hardball and made him sign the qo but they chose not to go that way.
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:38 pm Post subject:
WindyCityLakerFan wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
This one really stings.
Yes it does but as you said it boils down to moz deng signings. I’ll still take where we are now. Im sure part of the pitch to Lebron was bringing in another max next year. I guess the one thing they could have done was played hardball and made him sign the qo but they chose not to go that way.
or they could have gave him a large one year deal....and you lose Rondo unless he will accept the Room Exception (which I think he would have), Lance and Beasley. Could still bring back KCP with his non-bird rights, and Javale signed for the minimum.
I would have preferred to try hard to get him to sign QO with a wink for next year....but if that failed, we could have paid him as much as we wanted for one year.
I am not going to pretend I was outraged when the decision was made to let him walk....but it is clearly looking like a FO screw up at this point.
Randle was on a standard rookie deal, so no incentives for minutes and stats.
If that's the case then that blows a hole in my "Luke was being micromanaged from above" theory, but I could have sworn I either heard on one of the Laker podcasts or saw it as a post here somewhere, that it was in the Lakers' best interests for Julius not to play a lot of minutes last season. And after I heard or read this, I formed this opinion that the front office was the one jerking him around.
As I mentioned above, his QO would have been lower if they had kept his minutes below a certain level, or kept him out of the starting lineup. You are remembering correctly.
I regret everything negative I said about JR, I'm missing the brutality he would bring to teams that had weak ass bigs. MJST was right for stanning him
Also look at the production Payton is giving the Pelicans at only a 3rd of the price we are paying Rondo. _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though."
Like has been said. Some players just don't get appreciated till they are no longer wearing P&G. it's a shame tbh. The FO also is learning this lesson each time they force Kuzma to play the 5. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
I regret everything negative I said about JR, I'm missing the brutality he would bring to teams that had weak ass bigs. MJST was right for stanning him
I want some recognition too.
Pretty sure yinomes was a fan too.
I give props to MJST and 22 for being the OG Jules-stans.
I wasn't as much until last year when he totally won me over. I was shocked when we waived him and saddened that they let him go.
That being said, I did that with DLO and it was a miserable few months until I finally let it go.
Our team isn't perfect but I think in a month things will look different. Chins up! _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
I regret everything negative I said about JR, I'm missing the brutality he would bring to teams that had weak ass bigs. MJST was right for stanning him
I want some recognition too.
Pretty sure yinomes was a fan too.
I give props to MJST and 22 for being the OG Jules-stans.
I wasn't as much until last year when he totally won me over. I was shocked when we waived him and saddened that they let him go.
That being said, I did that with DLO and it was a miserable few months until I finally let it go.
Our team isn't perfect but I think in a month things will look different. Chins up!
I was really disappointed in the DLo trade, but that one felt different. I was disappointed in the package we got back, but I got over not having him as a player here pretty quickly since we had Lonzo. And in the end, he did help clear the Mozgov salary, and we did get Kuzma (or Hart, however you want to look at it) from it.
That said, here is what we got back from Julius:
And then, here is who we replaced Julius's physicality with:
I regret everything negative I said about JR, I'm missing the brutality he would bring to teams that had weak ass bigs. MJST was right for stanning him
I want some recognition too.
Pretty sure yinomes was a fan too.
I give props to MJST and 22 for being the OG Jules-stans.
I wasn't as much until last year when he totally won me over. I was shocked when we waived him and saddened that they let him go.
That being said, I did that with DLO and it was a miserable few months until I finally let it go.
Our team isn't perfect but I think in a month things will look different. Chins up!
I was really disappointed in the DLo trade, but that one felt different. I was disappointed in the package we got back, but I got over not having him as a player here pretty quickly since we had Lonzo. And in the end, he did help clear the Mozgov salary, and we did get Kuzma (or Hart, however you want to look at it) from it.
That said, here is what we got back from Julius:
And then, here is who we replaced Julius's physicality with:
Yeah, so, way different than DLo.
Point remains.
DLO/Jules paid the price for Moz/Deng. Yes, there were ways the team could have tried to bite the bullet and keep Jules, but I'm fairly convinced that if we didn't have Deng's ridiculous 17m/year contract, Jules might still be on this team.
I mourn his loss, but at some point we have to move on and root for the guys on the team. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
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Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 8:39 am Post subject:
yinoma2001 wrote:
This one really stings.
It does but he’s such a good dude that it’s easy to root for him. So it helps. He was our first pick in the dark years and seeing him pan out in a big way is thrilling. Wish it was with us, but alas it wasn’t meant to be.
Maybe, if this is not the agent Mintz ego doing, just maybe FO told Randle 1 yr contract but you will definitely be coming off the bench and Randle said no... well, done with
I give props to MJST and 22 for being the OG Jules-stans.
I wasn't as much until last year when he totally won me over. I was shocked when we waived him and saddened that they let him go.
That being said, I did that with DLO and it was a miserable few months until I finally let it go.
Our team isn't perfect but I think in a month things will look different. Chins up!
I was really disappointed in the DLo trade, but that one felt different. I was disappointed in the package we got back, but I got over not having him as a player here pretty quickly since we had Lonzo. And in the end, he did help clear the Mozgov salary, and we did get Kuzma (or Hart, however you want to look at it) from it.
That said, here is what we got back from Julius:
And then, here is who we replaced Julius's physicality with:
Yeah, so, way different than DLo.
Point remains.
DLO/Jules paid the price for Moz/Deng. Yes, there were ways the team could have tried to bite the bullet and keep Jules, but I'm fairly convinced that if we didn't have Deng's ridiculous 17m/year contract, Jules might still be on this team.
I mourn his loss, but at some point we have to move on and root for the guys on the team.
We can root for the guys on the team but hopefully no one forgets this blunder by the front office just because they were able to sign Lebron. Maybe I'm being naive but hopefully fan/media pressure works, at the very least we don't let anyone else of the young core go without getting something of value in return. Can't blame the Mozdeng signings anymore at this point.
My worry is even though I'm not 100% sold on Luke, I don't believe he is able to play who he wants to play due to boneheaded decisions and politics by the front office - specifically Randle last season, KCP this season, and Luke will eventually be made the scapegoat if fans start complaining about a mediocre season.
I’m super frustrated with us developing guys (Russell, Randle, Nance, Clarkson) and then having to trade or let them go because of that idiotic Mozdeng signing.
Liar. You talked (bleep) about each of those players and celebrated them leaving.
haha. Valid point, Cuthy. Candy, I don't know if we really developed Clarkson. At the point in which he was vanquished, the only thing good about him was that he was the only other guy from his round but Jokic who managed to get some consistent starter minutes for at least a couple years (lest I'm forgetting somebody). I liked Nance, but he improved his shot even less so than Randle and Larry was reluctant to try to shoot. We are still behind the ball compared to many other teams in terms of finding finesse, good percentage guys who don't do anything but drop open shots. With Randle, Nance, and Russell on the team? Then when Russell went...Lonzo, whose form looked like it was crafted on another planet. Sheesh. That's an issue of ours that will be even harder to get away from than being able to defecate Moz and Deng's koncaks without paying for it dearly for many years. I have no doubt they did about the best that could be done to move those two lunkheads. Randle became a physical specimen last year, but I think he was the kind of player born about 7-10 yrs late. If he were a taller "rim protector" like McGee, he'd probably be here instead of him. Windhorst replied to a fan or media about how the Pels got a star in the making and he told him not to get so excited because of his shot, offensive style, lack of notoriety as a rim jobber, and because he was lousy trade bait. I realize that some fans will miss him dearly and I do get being pissed about picks 2 and 7 not working out for us in a general sense, but I also remember Javaris Crittenton threads. Only murder ended the fascination some people continued to have with him. Randle is much easier to understand than Critt ever was. _________________ GOAT MAGIC REEL SEDALE TRIBUTE EDDIE DONX!
His game is effective, but sure isn’t pretty to watch. Some shots are cringe worthy, the way he contorts his body, flopping around trying to make the shot. Playing well tonight, but still untimely turnovers, fumbled layups, got swatted, etc. miss Julius, but I’m not all devastated like some peeps. He’s good, but he ain’t Superman.
Randle hurt his foot in the Houston game. But is going out there and still playing like this.
Lakers playing like a team without a heart, or a soul right now. Cause they let it walk for nothing, like if the Warriors had let Draymond go for Kevin Love. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
Randle hurt his foot in the Houston game. But is going out there and still playing like this.
Lakers playing like a team without a heart, or a soul right now. Cause they let it walk for nothing, like if the Warriors had let Draymond go for Kevin Love.
No question he was the heart and soul. I think I said that he could be that the game he played Dallas in one of his first full games in his 2nd season. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
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