So depressing that they could have locked Randle up on a multi-year bargain contract and passed. This team would be so much better with Randle, and his contract would have been easy to move. Situations like the Orlando game where stretch bigs were killing Chandler and McGee, it would have been nice to have Randle available.
Would we have cap space to sign Kawhi, KD or Klay if julius was signed to a multiyear deal with the Lakers?
Imagine if we kept Randle and Brook, Lonzo/Hart/LeBron/Randle/Brook would be a much better lineup than whatever we have right now. (Brook to make up for Julius non-spacing.)
Bench could be Rondo/KCP/Ingram/Kuzma/Chandler which isn't too shabby. Oops
Yeah. That's the tricky part with Jules. He needs a big who can shoot 3s. Jules/JaVale would have clogged up the lane, but if Jules was open to being a 6th man this team would have been insanely good.
Still very sad Jules is gone but hoping that we get our 2nd star next year. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
Would we have cap space to sign Kawhi, KD or Klay if julius was signed to a multiyear deal with the Lakers?
If nothing else he would have been an easy contract to move if they needed space.
I think that dynamic, that Jules didn't feel he was a long term priority, is why he asked out. Even if he got a multi-year deal at say 10-11m/year, he probably felt he would be moved at the earliest whim. I personally wanted Jules to be back with LBJ but it is what it is. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
Would we have cap space to sign Kawhi, KD or Klay if julius was signed to a multiyear deal with the Lakers?
If nothing else he would have been an easy contract to move if they needed space.
I think that dynamic, that Jules didn't feel he was a long term priority, is why he asked out. Even if he got a multi-year deal at say 10-11m/year, he probably felt he would be moved at the earliest whim. I personally wanted Jules to be back with LBJ but it is what it is.
The Lakers front office all but told Julius to kick rocks. They made it clear that he wasn't a long term or even a short term priority.
Paul George was had re-signed with OKC, so once Lebron signed with the Lakers the very next thing they should have done was start negotiations with Randle, instead they went out and signed a bunch of vets to one year deals and weren't even communicating with Julius.
The sad thing isn't I'm not even sure how much of it had to do with Julius. Ever since Rob and Magic took over they've been systematically getting rid of anybody with connections to the old regime. They fired John Black for no apparent reason and have slowly gotten rid of every player drafted by the previous regime in recent years. It's already pretty obvious that they're looking to get rid of Ingram too.
Yeah, I didn't like how they predetermined Jules' role at the beginning of last season.
But I do think there was a natural response by Jules to the situation, ergo, he wanted out. Why be on a team on a 1 year deal or a deal that is trade-able. They probably refused to promise him a long term place here so I think it was only natural for him to ask out. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
But I do think there was a natural response by Jules to the situation, ergo, he wanted out. Why be on a team on a 1 year deal or a deal that is trade-able. They probably refused to promise him a long term place here so I think it was only natural for him to ask out.
I agree with the take there, but I think if the Front Office had coddled him a bit more they could have gotten him for an affordable long-term deal. If he were on the team he'd be starting right now and would have a bigger role than he wound up having in New Orleans. And if he didn't want to take it they could have kept him on his qualifying offer or matched the Pelicans deal and then tried to shop him. Or tried to convince him to stay if he enjoyed his role. He didn't enter into last year's training camp happy either.
I think the biggest thing was just that after George snubbed them Randle lost the ability to be the over the cap signing and they weren't interested in tying up cap space with him unless he took a one year deal (in which case he'd then almost certainly be gone after the year) which he felt insulted by. Imo they should have coddled him, let the market dictate his salary, and then made the decision on him when the time came. Seemed like they rushed into the decision once they saw they couldn't unload Deng.
But I do think there was a natural response by Jules to the situation, ergo, he wanted out. Why be on a team on a 1 year deal or a deal that is trade-able. They probably refused to promise him a long term place here so I think it was only natural for him to ask out.
I agree with the take there, but I think if the Front Office had coddled him a bit more they could have gotten him for an affordable long-term deal. If he were on the team he'd be starting right now and would have a bigger role than he wound up having in New Orleans. And if he didn't want to take it they could have kept him on his qualifying offer or matched the Pelicans deal and then tried to shop him. Or tried to convince him to stay if he enjoyed his role. He didn't enter into last year's training camp happy either.
I think the biggest thing was just that after George snubbed them Randle lost the ability to be the over the cap signing and they weren't interested in tying up cap space with him unless he took a one year deal (in which case he'd then almost certainly be gone after the year) which he felt insulted by. Imo they should have coddled him, let the market dictate his salary, and then made the decision on him when the time came. Seemed like they rushed into the decision once they saw they couldn't unload Deng.
Good point on PG and over-the-cap signing.
I think Mintz/PG really put an interesting spin on this past summer. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
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yinoma2001 wrote:
J.C. Smith wrote:
AllorNothing wrote:
Would we have cap space to sign Kawhi, KD or Klay if julius was signed to a multiyear deal with the Lakers?
If nothing else he would have been an easy contract to move if they needed space.
I think that dynamic, that Jules didn't feel he was a long term priority, is why he asked out. Even if he got a multi-year deal at say 10-11m/year, he probably felt he would be moved at the earliest whim. I personally wanted Jules to be back with LBJ but it is what it is.
The FO disrespected him, he asked out. Their talent evaluation is questionable. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
Would we have cap space to sign Kawhi, KD or Klay if julius was signed to a multiyear deal with the Lakers?
If nothing else he would have been an easy contract to move if they needed space.
I think that dynamic, that Jules didn't feel he was a long term priority, is why he asked out. Even if he got a multi-year deal at say 10-11m/year, he probably felt he would be moved at the earliest whim. I personally wanted Jules to be back with LBJ but it is what it is.
The FO disrespected him, he asked out. Their talent evaluation is questionable.
Magic and Pelinka were too enamored with with their "shiny new toys" in Lonzo/Kuzma/Hart, and they failed to realize that Randle was the only homegrown talent in recent years that actually showed consistent progress/work ethic. They allowed their egos, and disdain for Mintz to cloud their decision making. I'm sure that something could've been worked out if they really wanted to...
So depressing that they could have locked Randle up on a multi-year bargain contract and passed. This team would be so much better with Randle, and his contract would have been easy to move. Situations like the Orlando game where stretch bigs were killing Chandler and McGee, it would have been nice to have Randle available.
yep.
But apparently having a 4 that can guard 1-4 as well as the 5 competently. Can run the fast break, can pass, rebound, get his own shot, is one of the best defenders on the team, and a triple double waiting to happen while being the heart and soul of the team.
Wasn't enough to get him a second year from the current FO... cause "gotta look at 2019-2020"
kenkoy wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
J.C. Smith wrote:
AllorNothing wrote:
Would we have cap space to sign Kawhi, KD or Klay if julius was signed to a multiyear deal with the Lakers?
If nothing else he would have been an easy contract to move if they needed space.
I think that dynamic, that Jules didn't feel he was a long term priority, is why he asked out. Even if he got a multi-year deal at say 10-11m/year, he probably felt he would be moved at the earliest whim. I personally wanted Jules to be back with LBJ but it is what it is.
The FO disrespected him, he asked out. Their talent evaluation is questionable.
Magic and Pelinka were too enamored with with their "shiny new toys" in Lonzo/Kuzma/Hart, and they failed to realize that Randle was the only homegrown talent in recent years that actually showed consistent progress/work ethic. They allowed their egos, and disdain for Mintz to cloud their decision making. I'm sure that something could've been worked out if they really wanted to...
Yep....there;s been far worse situations that got worked out, but the FO was just quick to let Randle go because to be quite frank no matter what bull they fed him in the off-season about him being rewarded if he did certain things, they were never intending to pay him and did everything they could to undermine him and his value during the season that followed.
But he went above and beyond and deserved to be rewarded, but the FO after being put in a spot of keeping their promises backed away. So Randle bet on himself because they refused to. That' the FO's blunder, not his. All the evidence was in front of them that they SHOULD keep the kid, but nope, they are so glossy eyed to two off-seasons from now they couldn't see the forest for the trees.
Say what we will about Mitch, but Randle's likely is still a Laker under their watch and none of these 'shark' games would have been played with him.
Magic, Pelinka and Luke now get to watch their blunder, and understand if they don't strike gold next off-season they've blown the chance at something great. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
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So depressing that they could have locked Randle up on a multi-year bargain contract and passed. This team would be so much better with Randle, and his contract would have been easy to move. Situations like the Orlando game where stretch bigs were killing Chandler and McGee, it would have been nice to have Randle available.
yep.
But apparently having a 4 that can guard 1-4 as well as the 5 competently. Can run the fast break, can pass, rebound, get his own shot, is one of the best defenders on the team, and a triple double waiting to happen while being the heart and soul of the team.
Wasn't enough to get him a second year from the current FO... cause "gotta look at 2019-2020"
kenkoy wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
J.C. Smith wrote:
AllorNothing wrote:
Would we have cap space to sign Kawhi, KD or Klay if julius was signed to a multiyear deal with the Lakers?
If nothing else he would have been an easy contract to move if they needed space.
I think that dynamic, that Jules didn't feel he was a long term priority, is why he asked out. Even if he got a multi-year deal at say 10-11m/year, he probably felt he would be moved at the earliest whim. I personally wanted Jules to be back with LBJ but it is what it is.
The FO disrespected him, he asked out. Their talent evaluation is questionable.
Magic and Pelinka were too enamored with with their "shiny new toys" in Lonzo/Kuzma/Hart, and they failed to realize that Randle was the only homegrown talent in recent years that actually showed consistent progress/work ethic. They allowed their egos, and disdain for Mintz to cloud their decision making. I'm sure that something could've been worked out if they really wanted to...
Yep....there;s been far worse situations that got worked out, but the FO was just quick to let Randle go because to be quite frank no matter what bull they fed him in the off-season about him being rewarded if he did certain things, they were never intending to pay him and did everything they could to undermine him and his value during the season that followed.
But he went above and beyond and deserved to be rewarded, but the FO after being put in a spot of keeping their promises backed away. So Randle bet on himself because they refused to. That' the FO's blunder, not his. All the evidence was in front of them that they SHOULD keep the kid, but nope, they are so glossy eyed to two off-seasons from now they couldn't see the forest for the trees.
Say what we will about Mitch, but Randle's likely is still a Laker under their watch and none of these 'shark' games would have been played with him.
Magic, Pelinka and Luke now get to watch their blunder, and understand if they don't strike gold next off-season they've blown the chance at something great.
I just want you to be happy.
I picture you sitting there with fists clenched every time you post something. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
Imagine if we kept Randle and Brook, Lonzo/Hart/LeBron/Randle/Brook would be a much better lineup than whatever we have right now. (Brook to make up for Julius non-spacing.)
Bench could be Rondo/KCP/Ingram/Kuzma/Chandler which isn't too shabby. Oops
Yeah. That's the tricky part with Jules. He needs a big who can shoot 3s. Jules/JaVale would have clogged up the lane, but if Jules was open to being a 6th man this team would have been insanely good.
Still very sad Jules is gone but hoping that we get our 2nd star next year.
Yeah Julius/JaVale next to LeBron reminds me of the '14-'15 Cavs with TT and Mozgov, where LeBron's TS% in the playoffs absolutely plummeted to outlier levels (<50%!?!?!?!?).
But I would love Julius/Brook next to LeBron. Especially because Julius slots into the small ball 5 for a "death lineup" too.
Would we have cap space to sign Kawhi, KD or Klay if julius was signed to a multiyear deal with the Lakers?
If nothing else he would have been an easy contract to move if they needed space.
I think that dynamic, that Jules didn't feel he was a long term priority, is why he asked out. Even if he got a multi-year deal at say 10-11m/year, he probably felt he would be moved at the earliest whim. I personally wanted Jules to be back with LBJ but it is what it is.
Here's a hot take though, you could afford Randle by trading Deng and either Ball or Ingram. Deng's stretched contract is basically $5M, Ingram's salary is $5.2M, so you could afford Julius at $10M and still be able to get Durant or Kawhi. If you use Lonzo you can pay him a bit more.
The problem is the FO assumed it was a given that Lonzo/BI > Randle, and right now I'm not sure that's the case (especially BI who has positional overlap with LeBron)
Would we have cap space to sign Kawhi, KD or Klay if julius was signed to a multiyear deal with the Lakers?
If nothing else he would have been an easy contract to move if they needed space.
I think that dynamic, that Jules didn't feel he was a long term priority, is why he asked out. Even if he got a multi-year deal at say 10-11m/year, he probably felt he would be moved at the earliest whim. I personally wanted Jules to be back with LBJ but it is what it is.
Here's a hot take though, you could afford Randle by trading Deng and either Ball or Ingram. Deng's stretched contract is basically $5M, Ingram's salary is $5.2M, so you could afford Julius at $10M and still be able to get Durant or Kawhi. If you use Lonzo you can pay him a bit more.
The problem is the FO assumed it was a given that Lonzo/BI > Randle, and right now I'm not sure that's the case (especially BI who has positional overlap with LeBron)
No doubt there was a 0% chance they give up on their #2 picks like that, for better or worse. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
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