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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 1:41 pm    Post subject:

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Randle is likely the same height now that he was last season. If he hit a growth spurt in the NBA it likely would have been last offseason, not this one. I don't see how this changes anyone's perception of Randle as a player.
Yeah, even that quote talking about his growth was from a year ago. So even if he grew from being drafted to last year's offseason, it doesn't change our understanding of his game based on last season.


it doesn't mean he's still not growing either.

But apparently a player still growing only matters with players people like or root for. Otherwise it doesn't make much a difference to the dynamics of the game.


LOL at the bolded.
When a guy like Anthony Davis grows up as a guard at 6'2/6'3, then has a massive growth spurt to where he's 6'10/6'11, that fundamentally changes the nature of him as a player.

Jules grew an inch? Awesome. Doesn't mean he's drastically changed his game as a result of that.


Don't worry. If there's a hint Ingram grows to 6'11 you'll see plenty of it
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 2:43 pm    Post subject:

http://bballbreakdown.com/2016/08/22/julius-randle-lakers/

Most all of us agree on this but here's more data to support that Randle will benefit greatly from being utilized in an actual offense and away from the tyranny of Lord Byron. Utterly ridiculous how often he wound up in iso situations. He'll look like a completely different player this season.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 3:14 pm    Post subject:

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Randle is likely the same height now that he was last season. If he hit a growth spurt in the NBA it likely would have been last offseason, not this one. I don't see how this changes anyone's perception of Randle as a player.
Yeah, even that quote talking about his growth was from a year ago. So even if he grew from being drafted to last year's offseason, it doesn't change our understanding of his game based on last season.


it doesn't mean he's still not growing either.

But apparently a player still growing only matters with players people like or root for. Otherwise it doesn't make much a difference to the dynamics of the game.

What exactly are you implying? People growing at age 21 is rare. The onus is not on me to show evidence that Randle is still growing/ has grown since the end of the season. Same reason I'm not banking on Zubac or Russell to grow.

All the evidence suggests that he grew, if at all, during the '14-'15 'redshirt' rookie season. That's cool, but why would it change our projection of how he might play, when he maintained that height through the season?

Now if there were evidence a la Ingram's doctor reports that Randle might still be growing, that's another matter. AFAIK that doesn't exist. Has nothing to do with favoritism, though.

BTW: I agree with the point that if Randle grew another inch (and his wingspan increased another inch as well) then that would change his effectiveness (probably not his game) when it comes to shotblocking, finishing around the basket, etc. But that's all sort of moot to me because I don't see why I should expect him to grow.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 3:24 pm    Post subject:

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http://bballbreakdown.com/2016/08/22/julius-randle-lakers/

Most all of us agree on this but here's more data to support that Randle will benefit greatly from being utilized in an actual offense and away from the tyranny of Lord Byron. Utterly ridiculous how often he wound up in iso situations. He'll look like a completely different player this season.


Wow, very solid analysis for a non-Laker site. Good amount of nuance, especially in terms of factoring in his circumstances.

Maybe one slight nitpick:

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On the other hand, Randle shot 70 percent with 22-18 seconds left on the shot clock, suggesting he’s an up-tempo player whose skill set simply was not utilized well by Scott


This likely has just as much to do with him getting good looks off the offensive glass, as him being a good offensive player in transition.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 3:35 pm    Post subject:

I tried my best to stay out of this but.....I'd absolutely love it if Julius has grown but I simply don't think he did. One point mentioned at the beginning of this exchange is that he was said to look leaner and taller.

I think he looks taller because he is leaner. People who lose weight, especially around the midsection, tend to straighten out in terms of posture giving the perception that they're taller.

But I hope he did grow....so don't you send your darts this way proponents of a growth spurt.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 8:59 am    Post subject:

Julius is listed at 6–9 250 pounds and has elite strength. To open up his game he has to develop a mid range shot and improve on finishing in the paint and at the rim with either hand.
He also has to give more effort on the defensive side of the court. Growth in those areas would take his game to another level.

Luke's system should be a better fit for JR's skill-set. If he indeed has improved his shot and plays under control I expect Randle to get easier looks at the basket this season.
However he will also need to play solid defense to thrive within this system.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:58 am    Post subject:

I hope Randle worked on his post game, we need a player other than Russell we can have post up
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:10 am    Post subject:

3 Things Julius Randle Must Improve on Next Season

Here are three things Julius Randle can work on to become the player the Lakers’ fully expect him to become moving forward

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Of all of the members of the Los Angeles Lakers’ young core, the player who warrants the most criticism for on court reasons is definitely Julius Randle.

Unlike D’Angelo Russell, who fans constantly protect when criticized by the media, or Larry Nance Jr who can do no wrong in their eyes, Randle is the one player who many fans seem to be down on.


http://lakeshowlife.com/2016/09/11/lakers-3-things-julius-randle-must-improve-on-next-season/
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:29 am    Post subject:

I'm expecting a 14/11/2 on a 46-47FG%

Basically how Randle played in February and March with improvements for a whole season
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:55 am    Post subject:

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I'm expecting a 14/11/2 on a 46-47FG%

Basically how Randle played in February and March with improvements for a whole season


I think we would be very happy with that kind of production.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:58 am    Post subject:

waterman40 wrote:
dcarter4kobe wrote:
I'm expecting a 14/11/2 on a 46-47FG%

Basically how Randle played in February and March with improvements for a whole season


I think we would be very happy with that kind of production.


Very happy, if we could get him shooting 30% on 3s too.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 8:21 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
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I'm expecting a 14/11/2 on a 46-47FG%

Basically how Randle played in February and March with improvements for a whole season


I think we would be very happy with that kind of production.


Very happy, if we could get him shooting 30% on 3s too.


Very happy if we could get him to shoot about 50% around the basket.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 8:26 am    Post subject:

hopefully he keeps rebounding well.

gets a 15 footer

stays under control.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 8:34 am    Post subject:

waterman40 wrote:
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I'm expecting a 14/11/2 on a 46-47FG%

Basically how Randle played in February and March with improvements for a whole season


I think we would be very happy with that kind of production.


In February/March, Randle averaged 13/11 on a 47FG% in 25 games (30MPG). It shouldn't be much a stretch if he gets 30MPG.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:17 am    Post subject:

Things I want to see from Randle next season:
more confidence/efficiency in terms of shooting
a lot less 1 on 1 plays
development of play making
versatility defensively in terms of switching out on guards
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:20 am    Post subject:

The Logo wrote:
Things I want to see from Randle next season:
more confidence/efficiency in terms of shooting
a lot less 1 on 1 plays
development of play making
versatility defensively in terms of switching out on guards


-Off-ball defense (like DLO and other young players, caught looking a lot)

-setting effective screens

-on PnR actions, not just holding the play up to re-set up an iso for himself

-hit 30% this year on 3s, with 2.5 attempts a game.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 1:05 pm    Post subject:

Thugnomoe wrote:
hopefully he keeps rebounding well.

gets a 15 footer

stays under control.


He's practically unstoppable with the ball, he just needs to now learn how to consistently finish when he goes in the lane.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 9:30 pm    Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:
Thugnomoe wrote:
hopefully he keeps rebounding well.

gets a 15 footer

stays under control.


He's practically unstoppable with the ball, he just needs to now learn how to consistently finish when he goes in the lane.


its true.. he's super strong down there.. but like I said.. out of control.. he creates enough space with his strength.. just lay it up and in.. easier said than done of course.. but he can do it.. I think a lot of it is confidence.. hopefully he got some playing against the team USA guys and... more reps of course.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:17 pm    Post subject:

People be like Julius just needs to improve:

Decision making
shooting
finishing
passing
play making
defense
shot blocking
stamina

and he will be a star. Lol is that all?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:21 pm    Post subject:

not easy being a star at the highest level.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:42 pm    Post subject:

defense wrote:
People be like Julius just needs to improve:

Decision making
shooting
finishing
passing
play making
defense
shot blocking
stamina

and he will be a star. Lol is that all?


You forgot wingspan, hand size, and attitude
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 11:47 pm    Post subject:

defense wrote:
People be like Julius just needs to improve:

Decision making
shooting
finishing
passing
play making
defense
shot blocking
stamina

and he will be a star. Lol is that all?


If he fixed all of that he would be a superstar considering his athletic gifts. He doesn't have to improve everything in a year either. Anyway if he even just ends up improving his shooting and defense or shooting and passing, he could be a fringe all-star based on the fact that he's a rebounding machine.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 12:32 am    Post subject:

manlisten wrote:
http://bballbreakdown.com/2016/08/22/julius-randle-lakers/

Most all of us agree on this but here's more data to support that Randle will benefit greatly from being utilized in an actual offense and away from the tyranny of Lord Byron. Utterly ridiculous how often he wound up in iso situations. He'll look like a completely different player this season.


Thanks for sharing this article. It was an informative read unlike much of the "Kobe ain't mentoring D'Angelo (not that he should)" click bait nonsense that other sites spew.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 6:49 pm    Post subject:

New Julius interview.

Q: What have you been working on?

A: Just playing as hard as I can. Just trying to get into top shape. Playing with a lot of energy, motor.. And just playing unselfish, open man gets the shot. We're playing for eachother more this year than for ourselves
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 7:08 pm    Post subject:

defense wrote:
People be like Julius just needs to improve:

Decision making
shooting
finishing
passing
play making
defense
shot blocking
stamina

and he will be a star. Lol is that all?


That list applies to all the young players.
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