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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 6:24 pm    Post subject:

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Zubac, next to Russell: 17.7 points per 36, 59.3% TS%
Zubac, without Russell: 16.0 points per 36, 51.7% TS%

Ok, this surprised the hell out of me. I wonder, is it due to playing next to Russell or NOT playing with Clarkson or Lou?

Zubac, with Russell and without Clarkson (NOTE: only 90 min): 17.2 points per 36, 59.7% TS%.
Zubac, without Russell and without Lou: 15.5 points per 36, 52.6% TS%

If I were to combine all these facts together, I would guess that of our three main ballhandling guards (Clarkson, Williams, Russell), Clarkson and Williams don't help or hurt Zubac's production (both volume and efficiency), but Russell does help.

This surprises me, but I wonder if it boils down to the simple fact that Russell is great at getting the ball to the roll man on the short roll, and Zubac is very good at that little floater in the lane off the short roll?


I was a bit shocked with this post and since my eye test don't use to fails me so badly, I had to watch Zubac's season highlights. If you have 10 minutes to watch it maybe you can change your mind about the post above. I use to miss Lou every time I watch highlights from players like Nance and Zubac.

Yeah that's the weird part. You expect Lou to help Zubac out, but his TS% is 51.1% next to Lou. I watched about half of the video... I don't think Russell did anything notable. But all of these are dunks, so maybe Russell got Zubac better looks that weren't necessarily dunks (e.g. short roll looks).
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 6:25 pm    Post subject:

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Interesting. I could also see the pick and roll action (and general screening) better without Randle. That pulls defenders into the paint more, giving Nick more open looks.
Good call. I like this one better.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 6:28 pm    Post subject:

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Interesting. I could also see the pick and roll action (and general screening) better without Randle. That pulls defenders into the paint more, giving Nick more open looks.
Good call. I like this one better.


Ya, I just re-read it and understood - it's a very good point.
Although, the spontaneity and quick trigger-ness of those kickback 3s, could definitely manifest a low % on them.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 6:53 pm    Post subject:

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Interesting. I could also see the pick and roll action (and general screening) better without Randle. That pulls defenders into the paint more, giving Nick more open looks.
Good call. I like this one better.


Ya, I just re-read it and understood - it's a very good point.
Although, the spontaneity and quick trigger-ness of those kickback 3s, could definitely manifest a low % on them.

Possible. My eye test would expect his 3FG% to be higher on those, but as this thread shows, the eye test is often wrong.

BTW:
Russell shoot 36.8% from 3 (64% assisted) on 7.6 attempts per 36 with Randle, 302 total attempts.
He shoots 29.3% from 3 (64% assisted) on 7.2 attempts per 36 without Randle. 75 total attempts.

I read somewhere on LG that you need about 400 3s to stabilize percentages, so that 29.3% is very unstable due to a very tiny sample size of 75. Not sure if any conclusions can be drawn... but it does appear that Randle doesn't necessarily help players shoot despite his kickbacks / transition creation.

I bet Randle's beneficial effect to 3 point shooting was actually present (and significant) in November before the kickbacks and transition 3s got scouted.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 9:14 pm    Post subject:

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Yeah that's the weird part. You expect Lou to help Zubac out, but his TS% is 51.1% next to Lou. I watched about half of the video... I don't think Russell did anything notable. But all of these are dunks, so maybe Russell got Zubac better looks that weren't necessarily dunks (e.g. short roll looks).


Dlo had a beautiful assist against NY, that was basically it the whole season.

There are two points that can make sense explaining the better shooting % when he is actually not getting fed by the PG:

- With his shooting and almost never attacking the basket Dlo provides a precious space a big can make use

- Usually the efficiency goes up when the usage goes down, but I don't know where I can verify his usage and amount of shots/36 with and without Dlo
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 9:23 pm    Post subject:

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Yeah that's the weird part. You expect Lou to help Zubac out, but his TS% is 51.1% next to Lou. I watched about half of the video... I don't think Russell did anything notable. But all of these are dunks, so maybe Russell got Zubac better looks that weren't necessarily dunks (e.g. short roll looks).


Dlo had a beautiful assist against NY, that was basically it the whole season.

There are two points that can make sense explaining the better shooting % when he is actually not getting fed by the PG:

- With his shooting and almost never attacking the basket Dlo provides a precious space a big can make use

- Usually the efficiency goes up when the usage goes down, but I don't know where I can verify his usage and amount of shots/36 with and without Dlo


I can answer your second question:
With Russell: 20.0% USG%
Without Russell: 21.8% USG%

Probably not enough of a difference to change his efficiency. Spacing from Russell makes sense, but since Russell mostly played on ball, I suspect it's about what Russell did with the ball more than anything.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 9:40 pm    Post subject:

tox wrote:
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Yeah that's the weird part. You expect Lou to help Zubac out, but his TS% is 51.1% next to Lou. I watched about half of the video... I don't think Russell did anything notable. But all of these are dunks, so maybe Russell got Zubac better looks that weren't necessarily dunks (e.g. short roll looks).


Dlo had a beautiful assist against NY, that was basically it the whole season.

There are two points that can make sense explaining the better shooting % when he is actually not getting fed by the PG:

- With his shooting and almost never attacking the basket Dlo provides a precious space a big can make use

- Usually the efficiency goes up when the usage goes down, but I don't know where I can verify his usage and amount of shots/36 with and without Dlo


I can answer your second question:
With Russell: 20.0% USG%
Without Russell: 21.8% USG%

Probably not enough of a difference to change his efficiency. Spacing from Russell makes sense, but since Russell mostly played on ball, I suspect it's about what Russell did with the ball more than anything.


The full highlights from the season didn't show it.

Usage is about the same, a high usage for a big by the way. He and Dlo are players demanding the ball on offense, it can be a high scoring duo if they develop some chemistry.

I just took notice it is Julius thread, let's stop with this Dlo/Zu talk here.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 2:34 am    Post subject:

i like Randle. He is a hardworking guy and has been improving in every categories. His speed and ballhandling ability would be brilliant when he got mature
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 4:35 am    Post subject:

nash wrote:

I just took notice it is Julius thread, let's stop with my Dlo hate here.



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 4:59 am    Post subject:

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I just took notice it is Julius thread, let's stop with my Dlo hate here.



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If one is able to say that after watching 10 minutes of video it is a signal Dave20 soul is still among us.

Let's talk about how Julius could find Zubac in transition and halfcourt a few times this season. Watching Julius highlights from the season it becomes clear how much he improved as a passing PF. He was an elite rebounder last season, now he is also a very good passer for a PF. His scoring and defense still need a lot of work, he looks like a pickup game player with his unorthodox finishes around the basket, but he has improved every facet of his game this season.

If you watch Dlo's highlights you are going to take notice he made good use of Zubac's screens. It is not about hate because I like the player, but it is clear his relationship with the big guys from our team is the relationship between a SG and a big. He uses it to score himself and is pretty good doing it.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:20 am    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:49 am    Post subject:

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The full highlights from the season didn't show it.

Usage is about the same, a high usage for a big by the way. He and Dlo are players demanding the ball on offense, it can be a high scoring duo if they develop some chemistry.

I just took notice it is Julius thread, let's stop with this Dlo/Zu talk here.

You realize how highlights work, right? The highlights show that Zu doesn't get highlights off of Russell feeds. It doesn't actually show that Zu doesn't benefit from Russell otherwise. For example, if a highlight maker doesn't think Zu's little runners in the lane are highlight worthy, and Russell helps Zu get a lot of those, then Russell helping Zu won't show up in the highlights.

Anyways yeah we should stick to Randle in this thread.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:04 pm    Post subject:

Julius Randle is striving to become more consistent

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When he bulldozed his way into the lane, it did not appear anything could stop Julius Randle. The Lakersí third-year forward has a chiseled 6-foot-9, 250-pound frame that can overpower nearly anyone in his way. Randle can veer defenders off by relying on his predominately left hand. He has started to give his opponents fits with an emerging jumpshot. There is one main thing that can stop Randle from dominating, though.


http://www.insidesocal.com/lakers/2017/04/14/lakers-julius-randle-striving-consistent/
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:17 am    Post subject:

Randle is a very predictable player. Slashes all the time and goes to his left with a very shaky jumpshot. He works hard but dont have new offensive weapon to make him worth keeping. Rebounds are inconsistent and find him more of an eyesore. Time to trade!!
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 5:18 am    Post subject:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tJmNLi7Ti8
Great vid by Draymond and Uninterupted on his new diet + nutritionist/chef
Says he feels way better than before. Body fat down to 9%

Julius had a disappointing body fat % when we saw that Workout Board picture
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:06 am    Post subject:

pio2u wrote:
Julius Randle is striving to become more consistent

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When he bulldozed his way into the lane, it did not appear anything could stop Julius Randle. The Lakersí third-year forward has a chiseled 6-foot-9, 250-pound frame that can overpower nearly anyone in his way. Randle can veer defenders off by relying on his predominately left hand. He has started to give his opponents fits with an emerging jumpshot. There is one main thing that can stop Randle from dominating, though.


http://www.insidesocal.com/lakers/2017/04/14/lakers-julius-randle-striving-consistent/


I wish Julius would learn to attack the rim the same way no matter who is in the paint. Go straight at the rim and try to finish, stop double clutching and throwing up wild shots.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:33 am    Post subject:

KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tJmNLi7Ti8
Great vid by Draymond and Uninterupted on his new diet + nutritionist/chef
Says he feels way better than before. Body fat down to 9%

Julius had a disappointing body fat % when we saw that Workout Board picture


U got they pic handy?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:24 am    Post subject:

KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tJmNLi7Ti8
Great vid by Draymond and Uninterupted on his new diet + nutritionist/chef
Says he feels way better than before. Body fat down to 9%

Julius had a disappointing body fat % when we saw that Workout Board picture


Except you shouldn't worry about that as post all-star break Walton changed Julius's diet and it yielded very positive results for him both stamina-wise and body wise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agSBXfXfG64

So the above probably isn't going to be a factor next season as it's something that Luke had already cited as something to improve upon and Julius has already committed to it post ASB and we saw the results. He has an entire off-season of that ahead of him now.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:35 am    Post subject:

Hypothetical

Boston calls and offers Marcus Smart straight up for Randle, would you do that?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:37 am    Post subject:

ingle wrote:
Hypothetical

Boston calls and offers Marcus Smart straight up for Randle, would you do that?


no
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:51 am    Post subject:

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Hypothetical

Boston calls and offers Marcus Smart straight up for Randle, would you do that?


I liked Smart at the draft, but probably a no for me.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:55 am    Post subject:

ingle wrote:
Hypothetical

Boston calls and offers Marcus Smart straight up for Randle, would you do that?


Not a chance. They took Smart ahead of Randle. To call us three years later and ask, essentially, for a do-over? (and that's without even discussing the dramatic differences in potential between the two.)
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:56 am    Post subject:

ingle wrote:
Hypothetical

Boston calls and offers Marcus Smart straight up for Randle, would you do that?


Laugh before hanging up or hang up then laugh.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:25 am    Post subject:

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Hypothetical

Boston calls and offers Marcus Smart straight up for Randle, would you do that?


Laugh before hanging up or hang up then laugh.


Then call back, laugh, say, "Were you serious?", laugh again and hang up.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:46 am    Post subject:

22 wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
ingle wrote:
Hypothetical

Boston calls and offers Marcus Smart straight up for Randle, would you do that?


Laugh before hanging up or hang up then laugh.


Then call back, laugh, say, "Were you serious?", laugh again and hang up.


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