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| Truck Turner wrote: | I don't think most people are worried about paying him tbh. I think it's more that some people didn't want Julius to being with, made sweeping declarations about his lack of skill/talent and don't want to budge from that stance.
The keep saying "I don't think he's worth that kind of money" as if last season was the best we could possibly see from him, even though we've seen continual improvement from him.
As I said before the second contract a player gets in the league is usually based on their potential moving forward more than how good they currently are. Julius has undoubtedly shown flashes of something special and he's continued to improve during his time in the league. |
I agree. It sucks that he lost his first year, but if you look at him next year as a third year player then the sky is the limit
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Jrock can be a difference maker.
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| Vancouver Fan wrote: | | Jrock can be a difference maker. |
certainly could. gotta bring the energy and be a respectable shooter. boom bang allstar level impact w/ all else mixed in |
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| Omar Little wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | J.C. Smith wrote: | | dao wrote: | | He's been awful at the 5. |
Lakers Centers last season (per 82 games):
Randle: -3 PER
Mozgov: -5.4 PER
Black: -5.6 PER
Zubac: -8.4 PER
Nance: -11.6 PER
Paul George doesn't like playing power forward. He complained when the Pacers put him there. And Ingram doesn't have the strength to play there at this point. |
Wait...negative PER? What is this? |
Net betweennthem and the opponent. Of course per doesn't really tell you the net value of the lineup with each guy, or who THE other four are. |
Ah, gotcha. It seems like a limited data point, as you note. |
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Of our 10 best lineups last season, 7 included Randle
The 3 lineups (#1, #7 and #10) that didn't were all bench lineups
2 of these lineups (#2 and #4) with Randle did not have any true center, his front court mate being either Black or Nance
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| Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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| J.C. Smith wrote: | | dao wrote: | | He's been awful at the 5. |
Lakers Centers last season (per 82 games):
Randle: -3 PER
Mozgov: -5.4 PER
Black: -5.6 PER
Zubac: -8.4 PER
Nance: -11.6 PER
Paul George doesn't like playing power forward. He complained when the Pacers put him there. And Ingram doesn't have the strength to play there at this point. |
I think you play Ingram at PF, but off the bench against 2nd units to lessen the burden. Let him grow into it. I think he can handle it for 15 minutes per game. This is how I would see the minutes distribution (assuming Clarkson is gone):
PG: Ball (30) / Ennis (18)
SG: Russell (33) / Brewer (15)
SF: George (33) / Ingram (15)
PF: Randle (15) / Ingram (15) / Nance (18)
C: Zubac (20) / Randle (15) / Black or Mozgov (13)
That is a pretty versatile lineup, with a lot of players switching positions if need be depending on stamina, match ups and foul trouble.
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i hope we keep randle.
dude is doing some guard syt at 6'9" 250, like caging his defender on (bleep) fastbreak for a lob 
the other guy with his size who could do the same? lebron freaking james. |
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Not many forwards make passes like that or beat point guards down the court either.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:53 am Post subject: |
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In other words, our best non-bench line up last year featured Randle at center
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You don't keep our "untouchable" on the bench. Doesn't make any sense. With all the rumors going on, even if they are not entirely true, I feel will be a factor later.
Putting out "feelers" is a sign that maybe not this year or next, room will be made for another star. Whether that is Cousins or James, someone will have to go or will leave.
If we see Ingram improve his shot tremendously, D'angelo or Randle will not be here long. It all depends on Ingrams imrpovement.
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| Chronicle wrote: | | Truck Turner wrote: | I don't think most people are worried about paying him tbh. I think it's more that some people didn't want Julius to being with, made sweeping declarations about his lack of skill/talent and don't want to budge from that stance.
The keep saying "I don't think he's worth that kind of money" as if last season was the best we could possibly see from him, even though we've seen continual improvement from him.
As I said before the second contract a player gets in the league is usually based on their potential moving forward more than how good they currently are. Julius has undoubtedly shown flashes of something special and he's continued to improve during his time in the league. |
I agree. It sucks that he lost his first year, but if you look at him next year as a third year player then the sky is the limit |
Yes Julius is quick and he does pass and have good handles, but IMO at this time he still gives up way more on defense than he contributes on offense. His lazy approach on that end really concerns me. Defense is about desire and willpower. You have to want to play it and Julius looks like he just does not want to do it.
His lack of a jumper makes our spacing a mess, but I will give him credit for working on that, I think he may become an OK shooter at some point at least. But that D? Seems like he does not care.
No one on this board wants Oakafor in a laker uni because he plays no D and Randle is just as bad on D as him.
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| LakerSanity wrote: | | Page 1000... about time. Been three years. |
999 pages saying T. rex arms, bull in China shop, no iq, can't shoot, can't finish. All by the same 5 posters.
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To be fair he was out for his entire 1st season. Not much to talk about that year.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | | Page 1000... about time. Been three years. |
999 pages saying T. rex arms, bull in China shop, no iq, can't shoot, can't finish. All by the same 5 posters. |
Similar in other threads for all our players minus Igram really.. Non generational out the gate, trade you.
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| Vancouver Fan wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | | Page 1000... about time. Been three years. |
999 pages saying T. rex arms, bull in China shop, no iq, can't shoot, can't finish. All by the same 5 posters. |
Similar in other threads too. Non generational out the gate, trade you. |
Yes, the one thing here that really pisses me off. Tank for young players, then want to trade them when they aren't superstars after 1-2 seasons.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Vancouver Fan wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | | Page 1000... about time. Been three years. |
999 pages saying T. rex arms, bull in China shop, no iq, can't shoot, can't finish. All by the same 5 posters. |
Similar in other threads too. Non generational out the gate, trade you. |
Yes, the one thing here that really pisses me off. Tank for young players, then want to trade them when they aren't superstars after 1-2 seasons. |
Trade #2 + Russell for Porzingis! /s |
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| Arbitrary wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Vancouver Fan wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | | Page 1000... about time. Been three years. |
999 pages saying T. rex arms, bull in China shop, no iq, can't shoot, can't finish. All by the same 5 posters. |
Similar in other threads too. Non generational out the gate, trade you. |
Yes, the one thing here that really pisses me off. Tank for young players, then want to trade them when they aren't superstars after 1-2 seasons. |
Trade #2 + Russell for Porzingis! /s |
And when they realize he's not as good as they hoped, trade Porzingis for Donicic. |
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| Arbitrary wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Vancouver Fan wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | | Page 1000... about time. Been three years. |
999 pages saying T. rex arms, bull in China shop, no iq, can't shoot, can't finish. All by the same 5 posters. |
Similar in other threads too. Non generational out the gate, trade you. |
Yes, the one thing here that really pisses me off. Tank for young players, then want to trade them when they aren't superstars after 1-2 seasons. |
Trade #2 + Russell for Porzingis! /s |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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Jesus Christ that's unbelievable. He's going to be an absolute Beast this year.
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Wow. If he can deliver consistent effort on the court, he's going to be a beast. |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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Pfft, Julius Randle is what he is, he can't lose weight or improve his game. He' the NBA version of Dorian Grey. |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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| 32 wrote: | | Jesus Christ that's unbelievable. He's going to be an absolute Beast this year. |
Too bad Magic is going to trade him for Rajon Rondo
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Sadly the chances of him remaining a Laker is getting slim too. He may be a cap casualty in the 2 max folly.
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