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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:04 am    Post subject:

I agree with what you are saying Joe, but potentially he may not want to be a Laker. As time goes by, I believe the possibility exists that the feeling could be mutual on both sides.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:06 am    Post subject:

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I agree with what you are saying Joe, but potentially he may not want to be a Laker. As time goes by, I believe the possibility exists that the feeling could be mutual on both sides.


Sad to me. I've really grown to appreciate Jules (and JC) this year but this is the real cost of the 2 max plan.

At least for JC/Deng they got their 2016 money.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:11 am    Post subject:

AFireInside619 wrote:
This thread should be changed to:

The Official MJST Thread feat. Julius Randle!


It's like voices, rick1212121, Dave20 all over again.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:14 am    Post subject:

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I'm not surprised about the "pay me" thing.

I guarantee you that he and his agent are not happy with the Lakers. No extension, and in a contract year, he is benched. At least Deng/JC, who may (Deng 100%) get moved as part of the 2 max plan already got paid. Jules is in a contract year.

This could get ugly IMO.


Solution is plain simple: trade him ASAP.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:14 am    Post subject:

RI Laker wrote:
I agree with what you are saying Joe, but potentially he may not want to be a Laker. As time goes by, I believe the possibility exists that the feeling could be mutual on both sides.

There’s nothing wrong about what you’re saying here my man. I’d just add that EVERYTHING will be predicated on offers he gets fromother teams,

I just don’t think he will get the offers that he wants. With the possible exception of Dallas, I don’t see another team paying him more than ten million dollars, and, with the nature of restricted free agency, it doesn’t too much matter whether he wants to play somewhere else or not.

The Lakers have ALL the leverage up until the point where Randle signs a massive offer sheet with another team and, frankly, I don’t think that’ll happen. We’ll see though.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:26 am    Post subject:

Joe Pesci wrote:
RI Laker wrote:
I agree with what you are saying Joe, but potentially he may not want to be a Laker. As time goes by, I believe the possibility exists that the feeling could be mutual on both sides.

There’s nothing wrong about what you’re saying here my man. I’d just add that EVERYTHING will be predicated on offers he gets fromother teams,

I just don’t think he will get the offers that he wants. With the possible exception of Dallas, I don’t see another team paying him more than ten million dollars, and, with the nature of restricted free agency, it doesn’t too much matter whether he wants to play somewhere else or not.

The Lakers have ALL the leverage up until the point where Randle signs a massive offer sheet with another team and, frankly, I don’t think that’ll happen. We’ll see though.


Do you want Randle on the roster in future seasons if it is evident that he is unhappy with his role of coming off the bench as a small ball center?

From the procedural side, an offer sheet that he agrees to & signs with another team can be accepted/matched by the Lakers. But my question is about the locker room - team chemistry side of the retaining Randle question.

Is he going to be happy getting $10 million (first year) or so when the team will be giving out Max contract(s) for multiples of that $10 million to players that haven't played one minute for the Lakers?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:59 am    Post subject:

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RI Laker wrote:
I agree with what you are saying Joe, but potentially he may not want to be a Laker. As time goes by, I believe the possibility exists that the feeling could be mutual on both sides.

There’s nothing wrong about what you’re saying here my man. I’d just add that EVERYTHING will be predicated on offers he gets fromother teams,

I just don’t think he will get the offers that he wants. With the possible exception of Dallas, I don’t see another team paying him more than ten million dollars, and, with the nature of restricted free agency, it doesn’t too much matter whether he wants to play somewhere else or not.

The Lakers have ALL the leverage up until the point where Randle signs a massive offer sheet with another team and, frankly, I don’t think that’ll happen. We’ll see though.


Do you want Randle on the roster in future seasons if it is evident that he is unhappy with his role of coming off the bench as a small ball center?

From the procedural side, an offer sheet that he agrees to & signs with another team can be accepted/matched by the Lakers. But my question is about the locker room - team chemistry side of the retaining Randle question.

Is he going to be happy getting $10 million (first year) or so when the team will be giving out Max contract(s) for multiples of that $10 million to players that haven't played one minute for the Lakers?

I like “my” Randle pissed to all hell. I think he’s a better player that way. But to your point though, I’d still have to match a four year offer sheet for ten million per. Pissed or not, he’d be a very valuable trade asset for ten mill a year.

Players swallow their pride all the effin’ time. Bledsoe, Gordon, and many others didn’t want their teams to match the offer sheets they received, but they sucked it up and began playing for their next deal.

In a smallball league with slow-ass Lopez as the starter, Randle will get ample opportunity to earn his keep.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:45 am    Post subject:

Randle really needs the speed/athleticism advantage he gets at small ball center to be effective imo. He really hasn't looked good at PF. The only way he works at PF is if the 5 is a legit three point shooter. Hell, he hasn't even really looked too good with Lopez in the limited time they've played together.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:24 am    Post subject:

http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2017/11/17/julius-randle-future-lakers-trade-free-agency/

https://twitter.com/T1m_NBA/status/931592061261893632
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:20 pm    Post subject:

Randle with space is nice and he is extremely effective (almost unstoppable). Randle down low with his back to a defender is usually a hot mess and most likely resulting in a forced shot, a blocked shot, or a turnover.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:45 pm    Post subject:

anpherknee wrote:
http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2017/11/17/julius-randle-future-lakers-trade-free-agency/

https://twitter.com/T1m_NBA/status/931592061261893632

The defensive improvement makes him a key piece going forward, imo.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:10 pm    Post subject:

AFireInside619 wrote:
This thread should be changed to:

The Official MJST Thread feat. Julius Randle!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:23 pm    Post subject:

dao wrote:
Randle really needs the speed/athleticism advantage he gets at small ball center to be effective imo. He really hasn't looked good at PF. The only way he works at PF is if the 5 is a legit three point shooter. Hell, he hasn't even really looked too good with Lopez in the limited time they've played together.


They've played 8 mins together stretched out over 5 games. Can't imagine much has been learned from that.

Not sure how anyone can judge Randle's impact as a starting 4, until he's spent meaningful time next to our best 5 (who seemingly has a game that complements Randle's nicely).
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:39 pm    Post subject:

it's going to get real interesting in a couple of weeks when Nance gets back. Bogut actually played 20 minutes the other day and clearly Luke wants to play him so... I also wonder if Thomas Bryant has passed Zu on the depth chart. This regime didn't draft Zu, they've got nothing invested in him. They could package Zu and Julius and maybe a 2nd rounder for something - if they've given up the pipe dream of moving any kind of package to move Deng. Then they'd still have Lopez/Bogut/Bryant for the C slot IF they think Bryant is about ready to play 10-15 mins a night.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:45 pm    Post subject:

anpherknee wrote:
http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2017/11/17/julius-randle-future-lakers-trade-free-agency/

https://twitter.com/T1m_NBA/status/931592061261893632

leave out the embid data eh?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:48 pm    Post subject:

PayasoLoco wrote:
anpherknee wrote:
http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2017/11/17/julius-randle-future-lakers-trade-free-agency/

https://twitter.com/T1m_NBA/status/931592061261893632

leave out the embid data eh?


i would like to see his data against starting Center's/PF's
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:51 pm    Post subject:

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Basketball reference ranks Julius Randle tenth in the NBA in defensive rating.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:10 pm    Post subject:

PayasoLoco wrote:
anpherknee wrote:
http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2017/11/17/julius-randle-future-lakers-trade-free-agency/

https://twitter.com/T1m_NBA/status/931592061261893632

leave out the embid data eh?

https://twitter.com/forumbluegold/status/931595174739709952
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:16 pm    Post subject:

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Basketball reference ranks Julius Randle tenth in the NBA in defensive rating.


it says he's 13th now

embiid is 12th

he did my son like that on purpose to move up the charts smh


also: boston got 7 of the top 8
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:18 pm    Post subject:

The Juggernaut wrote:
AFireInside619 wrote:
This thread should be changed to:

The Official MJST Thread feat. Julius Randle!


its actually sad
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:37 pm    Post subject:

anpherknee wrote:
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Basketball reference ranks Julius Randle tenth in the NBA in defensive rating.


it says he's 13th now

embiid is 12th

he did my son like that on purpose to move up the charts smh


also: boston got 7 of the top 8


Boston's defense is definitely for real this year.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:58 pm    Post subject:

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I agree with what you are saying Joe, but potentially he may not want to be a Laker. As time goes by, I believe the possibility exists that the feeling could be mutual on both sides.


Sad to me. I've really grown to appreciate Jules (and JC) this year but this is the real cost of the 2 max plan.

At least for JC/Deng they got their 2016 money.



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:01 pm    Post subject:

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Basketball reference ranks [size=18]Julius Randle tenth in the NBA in defensive rating.[/size]



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 4:28 pm    Post subject:

I'm still behind Deng+Randle for Wesley Mathews if we must sacrifice Randle to get rid of Luol. Mathews doesn't bring nearly as much as he once did, but he's still gritty and can shoot. Not bad for a backup 2 that can help in the lockeroom and work with the development of Hart.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 4:29 pm    Post subject:

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Basketball reference ranks [size=18]Julius Randle tenth in the NBA in defensive rating.[/size]


Didn't you just say this stat was flawed and overrated a few days ago?
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