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| BigBallerBrand wrote: | | can we offer julius more money than dallas? if so, can we sign and trade him for a 2nd rounder from dallas and take no money back? im not sure how the Odom and Nash trades worked where there was no salary going back... |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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| scooterp10 wrote: | | BigBallerBrand wrote: | | can we offer julius more money than dallas? if so, can we sign and trade him for a 2nd rounder from dallas and take no money back? im not sure how the Odom and Nash trades worked where there was no salary going back... |
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this is under the scenario in which dallas gives randle max money (4 years). we won't match that, so maybe if we can give him 5 years we sign him and at least get a 2nd rounder back after trading him to dallas. then we have another draft pick we can attach to deng
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| Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Never would have imagined that Randle would turn into a player that might warrant the big money we have for FA's. Eating crow and happy to do so. |
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| BigBallerBrand wrote: | | scooterp10 wrote: | | BigBallerBrand wrote: | | can we offer julius more money than dallas? if so, can we sign and trade him for a 2nd rounder from dallas and take no money back? im not sure how the Odom and Nash trades worked where there was no salary going back... |
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this is under the scenario in which dallas gives randle max money (4 years). we won't match that, so maybe if we can give him 5 years we sign him and at least get a 2nd rounder back after trading him to dallas. then we have another draft pick we can attach to deng |
I not yet convinced Randle gets a Max offer, but I fully expect him to be on the Lakers next season. We're talking about a 23 year old guy that will be a 20, 10 & 5 player that can guard all 5 positions. There are not many of those in the league and teams aren't letting them walk if they can help it. Randle is just as much a building block as Brandon, Lonzo and Kuzma to me. |
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| mans shooting like 8 million percent around the rim with t-rex anatomy wow |
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I'm glad Luke finally saw the light and started our best player right now.
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| He has obvious weaknesses but he has a lot of strengths. He is a valuable player. |
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| anpherknee wrote: | | mans shooting like 8 million percent around the rim with t-rex anatomy wow |
He needs to grow a big fro so his head to arm ratio makes him look more t-rex. |
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| Did he pick up any offensive charge fouls tonight? |
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| FreakofNature wrote: | | ingle wrote: | Julius feasts on soft frontlines and tanking teams. Still not convinced he can do this on a regular basis against good teams.
Given our schedule for the rest of season, I can see multiple triple doubles coming up. |
5 of his last ten 10 games with 30 minutes or more have been against playoff teams.... |
Yea, these common outdated criticisms of Randle are always funny. He has played just as well against legit competition and legit size as he has any one else. He had both good and bad games against length as he has against smaller players. He has just been good. Plain and simple. Some people are still slow to accept that. Hard to change habits.
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| OCWA wrote: | | anpherknee wrote: | | mans shooting like 8 million percent around the rim with t-rex anatomy wow |
He needs to grow a big fro so his head to arm ratio makes him look more t-rex. |
unfortunately for him it looks like he got that super slow growin hair  |
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| LakerSanity wrote: | | FreakofNature wrote: | | ingle wrote: | Julius feasts on soft frontlines and tanking teams. Still not convinced he can do this on a regular basis against good teams.
Given our schedule for the rest of season, I can see multiple triple doubles coming up. |
5 of his last ten 10 games with 30 minutes or more have been against playoff teams.... |
Yea, these common outdated criticisms of Randle are always funny. He has played just as well against legit competition and legit size as he has any one else. He had both good and bad games against length as he has against smaller players. He has just been good. Plain and simple. Some people are still slow to accept that. Hard to change habits. |
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I was wondering if someone who knows the salary cap better can help with this:
Say Randle's market is not fantastic at the moment but there are teams ( e.g. Dallas) who are willing to give him more than we can offer (> 12 mil)
Could we make a win win situation with Randle by giving him a long term contract say 4 years but with a player option at the 2 year mark.
Good for us:
we keep Randle at a reasonable price while not screwing with the 2 max plan.
Good for Randle,
Randle may get a long term contract from another team this season but the value of the contract would most certainly be far lower than what he thinks he is worth. A lot of it is due to the fact that most teams have maxed out their salary cap and/or in tax territory. This situation was brought about by the ridiculous contracts that were given in 2016 by all teams in the league. If Randle opts to sign a long term contract now, he would almost certainly be underpaid towards the end of that contract.
HOWEVER:
The 2016 contracts comes off in about 2 years, so if Randle becomes a free agent in say 2020 by exercising a player option, he faces a much more favourable market for his services. He can get paid big time essentially then especially if his play improves.
Yet, he still gets long term security by virtue of him signing a 4 year contract except with a player option built in. The Lakers do not have a choice of whether to pay him, but he has the option of ending the contract at the 2 year mark and getting big bucks if the circumstances are favourable.
In my scenario, Randle maybe loses 10 mil in the first 2 years. But with the opt out at a time where teams are flush with cash, I am sure he can more than make up for it baring injury. |
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No matter what contract Randle gets, it will only cost his 12.4 cap hold next season for that season.
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| ingle wrote: | | FreakofNature wrote: | | ingle wrote: | Julius feasts on soft frontlines and tanking teams. Still not convinced he can do this on a regular basis against good teams.
Given our schedule for the rest of season, I can see multiple triple doubles coming up. |
5 of his last ten 10 games with 30 minutes or more have been against playoff teams.... |
Julius struggles against genuine size when he can't just overpower guys with his brand of bully ball. Usually ends up with some very ugly basketball and a turnover.
He's had multiple stinkers against Memphis, struggled against Gobert and absolutely got owned by Embiid in the first Sixers game.
Now you might say it's not his job to take on the likes of Gobert and Embiid, but given he can't shoot you have to measure him as a 5 unless if we find a unicorn next to him (Brook very very narrowly qualifies as a makeshift one right now) |
Most players struggle against guys Embiid and Gobert and luckily there’s only a small handful of em. Julius can hold his own and get the better of majority of the centers in the nba imo. He can play majority of our center mins and just get him a cheap backup like Noel to try to limit those types. |
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Keep him no matter what
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| What happened to greenfrog and all the other Randle haters? Support your Lakers. |
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| Great game from him. Yet another example of how his versatility is a problem for teams. |
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| DangeRuss wrote: | | ingle wrote: | | FreakofNature wrote: | | ingle wrote: | Julius feasts on soft frontlines and tanking teams. Still not convinced he can do this on a regular basis against good teams.
Given our schedule for the rest of season, I can see multiple triple doubles coming up. |
5 of his last ten 10 games with 30 minutes or more have been against playoff teams.... |
Julius struggles against genuine size when he can't just overpower guys with his brand of bully ball. Usually ends up with some very ugly basketball and a turnover.
He's had multiple stinkers against Memphis, struggled against Gobert and absolutely got owned by Embiid in the first Sixers game.
Now you might say it's not his job to take on the likes of Gobert and Embiid, but given he can't shoot you have to measure him as a 5 unless if we find a unicorn next to him (Brook very very narrowly qualifies as a makeshift one right now) |
Most players struggle against guys Embiid and Gobert and luckily there’s only a small handful of em. Julius can hold his own and get the better of majority of the centers in the nba imo. He can play majority of our center mins and just get him a cheap backup like Noel to try to limit those types. |
This.
Arguing that he struggles against Embiid/Gobert or AD is just silly. Who doesn't? He still contributes in a myriad of ways even when he's "struggling". Then when you consider that he teabags and emasculates how many teams? Sign the man.
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Is Randle the 3rd best player from the 2014 draft?
Embiid and Jokic are pretty clearly the top 2, but after that... Wiggins can score in volume but does virtually nothing else and has plateau'd. Parker has serious injury concerns. Marcus Smart is a good defender, but a historically bad offensive player who doesn't seem to be getting any better. Aaron Gordon is putting up numbers, but they're empty calories on a team fighting for the worst record in the league. Payton is starting to come alive a bit on the Suns, but again, it doesn't translate into wins. The Lakers aren't a "good team" yet, but they're clearly a tier above the bottom feeders, and Randle is a huge reason for that. |
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| awntawn wrote: | Is Randle the 3rd best player from the 2014 draft?
Embiid and Jokic are pretty clearly the top 2, but after that... Wiggins can score in volume but does virtually nothing else and has plateau'd. Parker has serious injury concerns. Marcus Smart is a good defender, but a historically bad offensive player who doesn't seem to be getting any better. Aaron Gordon is putting up numbers, but they're empty calories on a team fighting for the worst record in the league. Payton is starting to come alive a bit on the Suns, but again, it doesn't translate into wins. The Lakers aren't a "good team" yet, but they're clearly a tier above the bottom feeders, and Randle is a huge reason for that. |
I'd rank Capela and Gordon over Julius in that I think they have more value around the league. Julius would be able to destroy those 2 in a 1 on 1 matchup but he's a more awkward fit into a winning team, you sort of have to design your lineup around Julius' strengths and weaknesses.
But I would definitely rather pay Julius 12m a year than Wiggins the max. |
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| jonnybravo wrote: | | DangeRuss wrote: | | ingle wrote: | | FreakofNature wrote: | | ingle wrote: | Julius feasts on soft frontlines and tanking teams. Still not convinced he can do this on a regular basis against good teams.
Given our schedule for the rest of season, I can see multiple triple doubles coming up. |
5 of his last ten 10 games with 30 minutes or more have been against playoff teams.... |
Julius struggles against genuine size when he can't just overpower guys with his brand of bully ball. Usually ends up with some very ugly basketball and a turnover.
He's had multiple stinkers against Memphis, struggled against Gobert and absolutely got owned by Embiid in the first Sixers game.
Now you might say it's not his job to take on the likes of Gobert and Embiid, but given he can't shoot you have to measure him as a 5 unless if we find a unicorn next to him (Brook very very narrowly qualifies as a makeshift one right now) |
Most players struggle against guys Embiid and Gobert and luckily there’s only a small handful of em. Julius can hold his own and get the better of majority of the centers in the nba imo. He can play majority of our center mins and just get him a cheap backup like Noel to try to limit those types. |
This.
Arguing that he struggles against Embiid/Gobert or AD is just silly. Who doesn't? He still contributes in a myriad of ways even when he's "struggling". Then when you consider that he teabags and emasculates how many teams? Sign the man.
<---Gladly eats crow from last several season. |
Sign the man, agreed. It'd be silly to lose him for nothing. However, only for the right price. That is the key. I think the Lakers didn't trade Julius at the deadline since they're betting it will be a tough market in the summer and they'd be able to retain Julius on a reasonable deal.
If the Mavs throw him a massive offer sheet then he's gone. |
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| Yeah I think Julius has proved enough this season to make the FO keep him. Somebody will make us pay more than we wanted to probably but I think he is a key piece moving forward. He is certainly worth Jordan Clarkson kind of money. |
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