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J.C. Smith
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Randle as a starter (26 games): 17.4 points (56.7% fg), 9.1 rebounds, 3.3 assists, 0.5 blocks, 0.6 steals in 28.4 minutes
Randle in February (9 games): 19.4 points (58.6% fg), 8.9 rebounds, 4.6 assists, 0.7 blocks, 0.6 steals in 32.1 minutes
Randle's Last 5 (5 games): 19.8 points (61.8% fg), 9.6 rebounds, 5.6 assists, 0.6 blocks, 0.8 steals in 33.4 minutes
I think we can lay the "he's best in short stints" argument. |
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Lakers4Life33
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| J.C. Smith wrote: | Randle as a starter (26 games): 17.4 points (56.7% fg), 9.1 rebounds, 3.3 assists, 0.5 blocks, 0.6 steals in 28.4 minutes
Randle in February (9 games): 19.4 points (58.6% fg), 8.9 rebounds, 4.6 assists, 0.7 blocks, 0.6 steals in 32.1 minutes
Randle's Last 5 (5 games): 19.8 points (61.8% fg), 9.6 rebounds, 5.6 assists, 0.6 blocks, 0.8 steals in 33.4 minutes
I think we can lay the "he's best in short stints" argument. |
Randle right now is an all-star level player. I’m so glad the narrative hasn’t caught up to reality artificially suppressing his real value this offseason. |
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| J.C. Smith wrote: | Randle as a starter (26 games): 17.4 points (56.7% fg), 9.1 rebounds, 3.3 assists, 0.5 blocks, 0.6 steals in 28.4 minutes
Randle in February (9 games): 19.4 points (58.6% fg), 8.9 rebounds, 4.6 assists, 0.7 blocks, 0.6 steals in 32.1 minutes
Randle's Last 5 (5 games): 19.8 points (61.8% fg), 9.6 rebounds, 5.6 assists, 0.6 blocks, 0.8 steals in 33.4 minutes
I think we can lay the "he's best in short stints" argument. |
I like seeing those assists rise. |
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JJin77
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| J.C. Smith wrote: | Randle as a starter (26 games): 17.4 points (56.7% fg), 9.1 rebounds, 3.3 assists, 0.5 blocks, 0.6 steals in 28.4 minutes
Randle in February (9 games): 19.4 points (58.6% fg), 8.9 rebounds, 4.6 assists, 0.7 blocks, 0.6 steals in 32.1 minutes
Randle's Last 5 (5 games): 19.8 points (61.8% fg), 9.6 rebounds, 5.6 assists, 0.6 blocks, 0.8 steals in 33.4 minutes
I think we can lay the "he's best in short stints" argument. |
To be fair, Randle's focus and energy level on defensive end declined considerably compared to his first 20 games when he was limited to 20ish mins. It's in Randle's and Lakers' best interest to play him around 25~28 mins or so at the Tezmanian level of intensity on that end imho. That being said I would absolutely love to keep this guy if he costs less than 16 mil. |
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| Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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| JJin77 wrote: | | J.C. Smith wrote: | Randle as a starter (26 games): 17.4 points (56.7% fg), 9.1 rebounds, 3.3 assists, 0.5 blocks, 0.6 steals in 28.4 minutes
Randle in February (9 games): 19.4 points (58.6% fg), 8.9 rebounds, 4.6 assists, 0.7 blocks, 0.6 steals in 32.1 minutes
Randle's Last 5 (5 games): 19.8 points (61.8% fg), 9.6 rebounds, 5.6 assists, 0.6 blocks, 0.8 steals in 33.4 minutes
I think we can lay the "he's best in short stints" argument. |
To be fair, Randle's focus and energy level on defensive end declined considerably compared to his first 20 games when he was limited to 20ish mins. It's in Randle's and Lakers' best interest to play him around 25~28 mins or so at the Tezmanian level of intensity on that end imho. That being said I would absolutely love to keep this guy if he costs less than 16 mil. |
It's not just the minutes but his role in those minutes. Randle has effectively been our #1 option on O while also being our best 1 on 1 defender on D. Imagine if he was allowed to be the 3rd or 4th option behind Ingram/George/Lebron each night ala Draymond Green?
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| LakerSanity wrote: | | It's not just the minutes but his role in those minutes. Randle has effectively been our #1 option on O while also being our best 1 on 1 defender on D. Imagine if he was allowed to be the 3rd or 4th option behind Ingram/George/Lebron each night ala Draymond Green? |
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I know it's been mentioned a bit previously but it's just crazy how much his finishing at the rim has improved this year.
It still looks ugly as sin but it's working for him and I love it. |
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JJin77
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| LakerSanity wrote: | | JJin77 wrote: | | J.C. Smith wrote: | Randle as a starter (26 games): 17.4 points (56.7% fg), 9.1 rebounds, 3.3 assists, 0.5 blocks, 0.6 steals in 28.4 minutes
Randle in February (9 games): 19.4 points (58.6% fg), 8.9 rebounds, 4.6 assists, 0.7 blocks, 0.6 steals in 32.1 minutes
Randle's Last 5 (5 games): 19.8 points (61.8% fg), 9.6 rebounds, 5.6 assists, 0.6 blocks, 0.8 steals in 33.4 minutes
I think we can lay the "he's best in short stints" argument. |
To be fair, Randle's focus and energy level on defensive end declined considerably compared to his first 20 games when he was limited to 20ish mins. It's in Randle's and Lakers' best interest to play him around 25~28 mins or so at the Tezmanian level of intensity on that end imho. That being said I would absolutely love to keep this guy if he costs less than 16 mil. |
It's not just the minutes but his role in those minutes. Randle has effectively been our #1 option on O while also being our best 1 on 1 defender on D. Imagine if he was allowed to be the 3rd or 4th option behind Ingram/George/Lebron each night ala Draymond Green? |
That's true to a degree.
But I don't know if he has been our best 1on1 defender on D lately. Even his greatest strength in D, switch defense, came back down to earth considerably.
You might be right that Randle as a 3rd/4th option would be fresh enough on defensive end. |
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| tgi_friyay wrote: | I know it's been mentioned a bit previously but it's just crazy how much his finishing at the rim has improved this year.
It still looks ugly as sin but it's working for him and I love it. |
True this, actually saw him finish with his right hand last night.
This is part of the reason that I am now on the JR bandwagon. If he can finish like this with almost exclusively his left hand, imagine how his % will go up when he finally starts using his right... and can hit a jumper. He is putting up great numbers, playing better D and if he can just work on those 2 more things, he will be that much better.
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| Like this kid. He has been working hard to improve himself year over year. Glad to see him gradually become the player we expected he could be: better physical condition, better decision, better defense. He was a rather raw player and was benched by both coach Scott and Walton but he work himself back to starter and become one of the favorable player in closing minutes. Really like his effort and passion. |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, he was our first lottery pick and we have developed him to the point that he is impacting games. Most fans want to see that, a great many here want to give him away.
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Like has always been said, when it comes to someone that has all the natural talent that Randle has. When you couple it with his immense work ethic, as long as he remains healthy there isn't much standing in the way of him reaching his potential.
All the talent in the world means nothing if you don't have the work ethic to progress and make the best of it.
Randle has that kind of work ethic, thus we've seen those improvements year after year and if he keeps putting in the work like he continuously has been then there's no reason he won't continue to get even better.
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| JJin77 wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | | JJin77 wrote: | | J.C. Smith wrote: | Randle as a starter (26 games): 17.4 points (56.7% fg), 9.1 rebounds, 3.3 assists, 0.5 blocks, 0.6 steals in 28.4 minutes
Randle in February (9 games): 19.4 points (58.6% fg), 8.9 rebounds, 4.6 assists, 0.7 blocks, 0.6 steals in 32.1 minutes
Randle's Last 5 (5 games): 19.8 points (61.8% fg), 9.6 rebounds, 5.6 assists, 0.6 blocks, 0.8 steals in 33.4 minutes
I think we can lay the "he's best in short stints" argument. |
To be fair, Randle's focus and energy level on defensive end declined considerably compared to his first 20 games when he was limited to 20ish mins. It's in Randle's and Lakers' best interest to play him around 25~28 mins or so at the Tezmanian level of intensity on that end imho. That being said I would absolutely love to keep this guy if he costs less than 16 mil. |
It's not just the minutes but his role in those minutes. Randle has effectively been our #1 option on O while also being our best 1 on 1 defender on D. Imagine if he was allowed to be the 3rd or 4th option behind Ingram/George/Lebron each night ala Draymond Green? |
That's true to a degree.
But I don't know if he has been our best 1on1 defender on D lately. Even his greatest strength in D, switch defense, came back down to earth considerably.
You might be right that Randle as a 3rd/4th option would be fresh enough on defensive end. |
But does having Randle as our best player, the player we run offense from, our best defender... translate to winning? (yes) |
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| governator wrote: | | JJin77 wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | | JJin77 wrote: | | J.C. Smith wrote: | Randle as a starter (26 games): 17.4 points (56.7% fg), 9.1 rebounds, 3.3 assists, 0.5 blocks, 0.6 steals in 28.4 minutes
Randle in February (9 games): 19.4 points (58.6% fg), 8.9 rebounds, 4.6 assists, 0.7 blocks, 0.6 steals in 32.1 minutes
Randle's Last 5 (5 games): 19.8 points (61.8% fg), 9.6 rebounds, 5.6 assists, 0.6 blocks, 0.8 steals in 33.4 minutes
I think we can lay the "he's best in short stints" argument. |
To be fair, Randle's focus and energy level on defensive end declined considerably compared to his first 20 games when he was limited to 20ish mins. It's in Randle's and Lakers' best interest to play him around 25~28 mins or so at the Tezmanian level of intensity on that end imho. That being said I would absolutely love to keep this guy if he costs less than 16 mil. |
It's not just the minutes but his role in those minutes. Randle has effectively been our #1 option on O while also being our best 1 on 1 defender on D. Imagine if he was allowed to be the 3rd or 4th option behind Ingram/George/Lebron each night ala Draymond Green? |
That's true to a degree.
But I don't know if he has been our best 1on1 defender on D lately. Even his greatest strength in D, switch defense, came back down to earth considerably.
You might be right that Randle as a 3rd/4th option would be fresh enough on defensive end. |
But does having Randle as our best player, the player we run offense from, our best defender... translate to winning? (yes) |
14-12 with him as the starter this year and I think that number would only improve over the next 4-5 years if we keep him. |
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| governator wrote: | | JJin77 wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | | JJin77 wrote: | | J.C. Smith wrote: | Randle as a starter (26 games): 17.4 points (56.7% fg), 9.1 rebounds, 3.3 assists, 0.5 blocks, 0.6 steals in 28.4 minutes
Randle in February (9 games): 19.4 points (58.6% fg), 8.9 rebounds, 4.6 assists, 0.7 blocks, 0.6 steals in 32.1 minutes
Randle's Last 5 (5 games): 19.8 points (61.8% fg), 9.6 rebounds, 5.6 assists, 0.6 blocks, 0.8 steals in 33.4 minutes
I think we can lay the "he's best in short stints" argument. |
To be fair, Randle's focus and energy level on defensive end declined considerably compared to his first 20 games when he was limited to 20ish mins. It's in Randle's and Lakers' best interest to play him around 25~28 mins or so at the Tezmanian level of intensity on that end imho. That being said I would absolutely love to keep this guy if he costs less than 16 mil. |
It's not just the minutes but his role in those minutes. Randle has effectively been our #1 option on O while also being our best 1 on 1 defender on D. Imagine if he was allowed to be the 3rd or 4th option behind Ingram/George/Lebron each night ala Draymond Green? |
That's true to a degree.
But I don't know if he has been our best 1on1 defender on D lately. Even his greatest strength in D, switch defense, came back down to earth considerably.
You might be right that Randle as a 3rd/4th option would be fresh enough on defensive end. |
But does having Randle as our best player, the player we run offense from, our best defender... translate to winning? (yes) |
I think he is showing that he can be a good player on a good team. We should expect him to cointinue to improve he is young has only played 3 seasons at the end of this year and he is a dedicated hardworker. If we had 5 guys with his talent and work ethic we would be in the playoffs. |
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Lakers are 14-12 with JR starting.
why didn't he start at the start of the year  |
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| socalsp3 wrote: | Lakers are 14-12 with JR starting.
why didn't he start at the start of the year |
According to Luke it was because Nance was "a better fit".
It's sad to think that there's a chance we could lose Julius because of him being jerked around throughout the year. He got benched despite earning a starting spot then when he started thriving in the bench role his minutes started to get cut for no apparent reason. |
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| Truck Turner wrote: | | socalsp3 wrote: | Lakers are 14-12 with JR starting.
why didn't he start at the start of the year |
According to Luke it was because Nance was "a better fit".
It's sad to think that there's a chance we could lose Julius because of him being jerked around throughout the year. He got benched despite earning a starting spot then when he started thriving in the bench role his minutes started to get cut for no apparent reason. |
I think we are 3-1 when Zubac gets over 10 minutes.  |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| In the last 12 games Randle has played 30 or more minutes (33 average minutes in those 12 games): 21.3PPG/10.9RPG/4.6APG/ on 107 for 175 FG's 61%... |
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ORANGE JULIUS!
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J.C. Smith
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| They've won 15 of their last 22. |
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| Halimi wrote: | | So, is there a way for us to get two major free agents this year and keep Randle? |
Yes, if one of those free agents takes less... or some team does the Lakers a solid and take Deng off their hands with no salary coming back and Randle doesn't get max offers. |
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| J.C. Smith wrote: | | They've won 15 of their last 22. |
If the NBA had a baseball schedule of 162 games this lakers team would be playoff bound!  ...Top 5 team or so in more than a quarter of the season now...  |
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J.C. Smith
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| Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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| In the three games since the all-star break Randle has averaged: 16.3 points (58.9% fg), 12 rebounds, 6 assists, 0.7 blocks, and 1 steal in 32.7 minutes |
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