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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:53 am    Post subject:

The actual yearly salary
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:01 am    Post subject:

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If the Lakers sign and trade Julius, does the other team have to match the signed yearly salary? Or the cap hold of ~$12M? Also, can he be traded along with other players?


If the other team has enough cap space, they don't have to match salaries and they can sign to a contract that they agree upon, it can even be under the 12m cap hold. If the team is above the cap, then they would have to match salaries.

I believe he can be traded with other players.


I'm pretty sure you can't sign and trade a player that you renounce, which you have to do to sign a player under the cap hold... I think.

So for a team above the cap, if the Lakers sign and trade Julius (signed above his cap hold) do they have to match the hold or the actually yearly salary?


If we renounce we cannot sign and trade him. If the Lakers don't renounce and sign and trade above cap hold the other team over the cap would have to send about equal salary back.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:50 am    Post subject:

Julius Randle was one of just five players to average at least 19 points, 9 rebounds and 3 assists over the final 41 games of the 2017-18 season. The other four were: LeBron James, Russell Westbrook, Nikola Jokic and Giannis Antetokounmpo. Randle was the only one to shoot > 55%
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 10:24 am    Post subject:

Lonzo-Lite wrote:
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Woj on (ESPN On The Clock)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aRgvjwgQ6ao

Other teams looking to offer Randle big money to pry him from the Lakers:

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“Lakers are big game hunting, LeBron, Paul George...
It’s going to be tough for the Lakers to keep Randle because a lot of teams out there are looking into giving a big offer sheet to Randle knowing LA’s in a tough position to pay him.”


Lakers will have a week to match any offer right? How much are the Lakers looking to pay and retain Julius?

3 days to match - it changed with the new CBA.

I think the Lakers would be willing to match almost offer that a team would make. It's not so much a matter of cost, but of timing. The Lakers would need to shed enough salary so that Randle's cap hold doesn't affect the teams ability to sign 2 max free agents before those 3 days are up. If they can, then they can go over the cap to match Randle's offer.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:57 am    Post subject:

LuciusAllen wrote:
Lonzo-Lite wrote:
Iron Mamba wrote:
Woj on (ESPN On The Clock)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aRgvjwgQ6ao

Other teams looking to offer Randle big money to pry him from the Lakers:

Quote:
“Lakers are big game hunting, LeBron, Paul George...
It’s going to be tough for the Lakers to keep Randle because a lot of teams out there are looking into giving a big offer sheet to Randle knowing LA’s in a tough position to pay him.”


Lakers will have a week to match any offer right? How much are the Lakers looking to pay and retain Julius?

3 days to match - it changed with the new CBA.

I think the Lakers would be willing to match almost offer that a team would make. It's not so much a matter of cost, but of timing. The Lakers would need to shed enough salary so that Randle's cap hold doesn't affect the teams ability to sign 2 max free agents before those 3 days are up. If they can, then they can go over the cap to match Randle's offer.


We all see the limitations the Lakers have in regards to Randle this off-season. We can keep him if we want, but it limits what we can do as far Lebron and George.

Interestingly enough, I think the best route for the Lakers AND Julius is for Julius to take the Qualifying offer. He is obviously not a flash in the pan so a big contract still awaits him but ultimately a 1 year gamble by Julius keeps him in LA, keeps him on a championship team and allows him to stay with the team that can pay him the most.

If we are fortunate enough to sign Lebron and PG13 while keeping Randle as our center we will still be the fastest paced team in the NBA and a serious force to be reckoned with.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 11:36 am    Post subject:

rock0100 wrote:
LuciusAllen wrote:
Lonzo-Lite wrote:
Iron Mamba wrote:
Woj on (ESPN On The Clock)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aRgvjwgQ6ao

Other teams looking to offer Randle big money to pry him from the Lakers:

Quote:
“Lakers are big game hunting, LeBron, Paul George...
It’s going to be tough for the Lakers to keep Randle because a lot of teams out there are looking into giving a big offer sheet to Randle knowing LA’s in a tough position to pay him.”


Lakers will have a week to match any offer right? How much are the Lakers looking to pay and retain Julius?

3 days to match - it changed with the new CBA.

I think the Lakers would be willing to match almost offer that a team would make. It's not so much a matter of cost, but of timing. The Lakers would need to shed enough salary so that Randle's cap hold doesn't affect the teams ability to sign 2 max free agents before those 3 days are up. If they can, then they can go over the cap to match Randle's offer.


We all see the limitations the Lakers have in regards to Randle this off-season. We can keep him if we want, but it limits what we can do as far Lebron and George.

Interestingly enough, I think the best route for the Lakers AND Julius is for Julius to take the Qualifying offer. He is obviously not a flash in the pan so a big contract still awaits him but ultimately a 1 year gamble by Julius keeps him in LA, keeps him on a championship team and allows him to stay with the team that can pay him the most.

If we are fortunate enough to sign Lebron and PG13 while keeping Randle as our center we will still be the fastest paced team in the NBA and a serious force to be reckoned with.


The QO isn’t the best option for Randle. He’s in position to establish generational wealth. Taking a gamble on less than 10% of that isn’t nearly worth the risk. The potential return isn’t close to commensurate.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 3:40 pm    Post subject:

QO isn't a smart move for this FO either.

Because they lose more money.


Think of it this way, let's say that Randle because of what Luke did at the start of the season his market valye is 15-18M for us to have to pay.

The first season it will only cost 12.4 which is solid for this upcoming off-season where we're trying to get these max guys, it's a benefit to us.

Anyway let's assume Randle continues to trend upwards, gets the starter minutes from the get go next year like he should have been getting all year this year, then you essentially have a guy playing way above his 15-18M contract that you've got locked up for another 4 seasons.


Now if you give him the QO and he balls out as expected, he's an UFA that following off-season and instead of having him locked in on 15-18M over the next 4 seasons, you find yourself HAVING to pay him 20-25M to keep him because that is what he'd be worth on the market if he balls out next season as he did this season but starting from the get go, and there'd be no way around it.


So would you rather be paying Randle 15-18M over the next 4 seasons, or pay him the QO for one season and then need to pay him 20-25M afterwards over the next 5 years in order to keep him there.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 4:57 pm    Post subject:

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QO isn't a smart move for this FO either.

Because they lose more money.


Think of it this way, let's say that Randle because of what Luke did at the start of the season his market valye is 15-18M for us to have to pay.

The first season it will only cost 12.4 which is solid for this upcoming off-season where we're trying to get these max guys, it's a benefit to us.

Anyway let's assume Randle continues to trend upwards, gets the starter minutes from the get go next year like he should have been getting all year this year, then you essentially have a guy playing way above his 15-18M contract that you've got locked up for another 4 seasons.


Now if you give him the QO and he balls out as expected, he's an UFA that following off-season and instead of having him locked in on 15-18M over the next 4 seasons, you find yourself HAVING to pay him 20-25M to keep him because that is what he'd be worth on the market if he balls out next season as he did this season but starting from the get go, and there'd be no way around it.


So would you rather be paying Randle 15-18M over the next 4 seasons, or pay him the QO for one season and then need to pay him 20-25M afterwards over the next 5 years in order to keep him there.


Or he gets less touches this year and his value goes down. Or stays the same.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:06 pm    Post subject:

Every area of Randle has improved year to year, except for shooting (away from the basket). It is a risk worth taking at $15-18 million a year for four years. Much above that however, I would have serious concerns.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:38 pm    Post subject:

Pacers could become a real option for Julius Randle, Thad Young is rumored according to Woj to be considering opting out. If he does the Pacers will have in excess of 25 mil in cap space.

Randle at 23, would fit perfectly with Turner and Sabonis both 22 , in forming a nice pf/c rotation. With TJ Leaf 21, getting back up minutes.

Not saying it happens but Pacers would be a team to look at if Thad opts out. In the east they may not be that far away . Depending on what the Pacers do with Collison, Bogdanovic and Jefferson's partially guaranteed contracts they could have in excess of 50 mil in cap room.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:43 pm    Post subject:

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Pacers could become a real option for Julius Randle, Thad Young is rumored according to Woj to be considering opting out. If he does the Pacers will have in excess of 25 mil in cap space.

Randle at 23, would fit perfectly with Turner and Sabonis both 22 , in forming a nice pf/c rotation. With TJ Leaf 21, getting back up minutes.

Not saying it happens but Pacers would be a team to look at if Thad opts out. In the east they may not be that far away . Depending on what the Pacers do with Collison, Bogdanovic and Jefferson's partially guaranteed contracts they could have in excess of 50 mil in cap room.


The Pacers are and always have been our only competition for Randle. Hopefully the FO plays their cards right so they can retain Julius and still add pieces.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 5:17 pm    Post subject:

storm1324 wrote:
Pacers could become a real option for Julius Randle, Thad Young is rumored according to Woj to be considering opting out. If he does the Pacers will have in excess of 25 mil in cap space.

Randle at 23, would fit perfectly with Turner and Sabonis both 22 , in forming a nice pf/c rotation. With TJ Leaf 21, getting back up minutes.

Not saying it happens but Pacers would be a team to look at if Thad opts out. In the east they may not be that far away . Depending on what the Pacers do with Collison, Bogdanovic and Jefferson's partially guaranteed contracts they could have in excess of 50 mil in cap room.


$13.7 million

I’m not sure if he can get much more then that. He’s almost 30, maybe he wants to lock is something longer?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 5:32 pm    Post subject:

Just going off what Woj is reporting could be Thad wants a multi-year deal and Pacers want to wait till after this season before deciding if the want to offer him a 3-4 year deal.

Thad is soon to be 30, and entering his 12th year in 2018-19.

Adding 23 year old Randle or Aaron Gordon would seem a better long term fit if Thad wants a lone term deal.

Pacers could then try to help the Rockets run at LBJ by offering to take Eric Gordon off the Rockets hand for Al Jefferson's 10 mil (only 4 mil guaranteed contact).
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 5:33 pm    Post subject:

storm1324 wrote:
Just going off what Woj is reporting could be Thad wants a multi-year deal and Pacers want to wait till after this season before deciding if the want to offer him a 3-4 year deal.

Thad is soon to be 30, and entering his 12th year in 2018-19.

Adding 23 year old Randle or Aaron Gordon would seem a better long term fit if Thad wants a lone term deal.

Pacers could then try to help the Rockets run at LBJ by offering to take Eric Gordon off the Rockets hand for Al Jefferson's 10 mil (only 4 mil guaranteed contact).


They already have sabonis and turner there. They need a wing and a PG/SG imo
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ringfinger wrote:
storm1324 wrote:
Just going off what Woj is reporting could be Thad wants a multi-year deal and Pacers want to wait till after this season before deciding if the want to offer him a 3-4 year deal.

Thad is soon to be 30, and entering his 12th year in 2018-19.

Adding 23 year old Randle or Aaron Gordon would seem a better long term fit if Thad wants a lone term deal.

Pacers could then try to help the Rockets run at LBJ by offering to take Eric Gordon off the Rockets hand for Al Jefferson's 10 mil (only 4 mil guaranteed contact).


They already have sabonis and turner there. They need a wing and a PG/SG imo

Sabonis is a career backup, no?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:04 pm    Post subject:

You need at least 3 bigs, Turner, Sabonis and Randle would work well.

Collison, Bogdanovic and Jefferson are 30 mil in cap space but all only partially guaranteed deal the 3 together only are owed 7.5 mil in guaranteed money.

If Thad opts out , Pritchard has several options on how to fill roles going forward. He could even make a run at Will Barton, or offer up the partial deals to the Rockets or another team to help a team needing cap room.

Last season Pritchard showed he can be creative building a team minues PG13 , Jeff Teague and CJ Miles into a team picked to win 30 games into a 48 game winner, and a couple bad calls from beating the Cavs in the 1st round.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:06 pm    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
storm1324 wrote:
Just going off what Woj is reporting could be Thad wants a multi-year deal and Pacers want to wait till after this season before deciding if the want to offer him a 3-4 year deal.

Thad is soon to be 30, and entering his 12th year in 2018-19.

Adding 23 year old Randle or Aaron Gordon would seem a better long term fit if Thad wants a lone term deal.

Pacers could then try to help the Rockets run at LBJ by offering to take Eric Gordon off the Rockets hand for Al Jefferson's 10 mil (only 4 mil guaranteed contact).


They already have sabonis and turner there. They need a wing and a PG/SG imo

Sabonis is a career backup, no?


He turned 22 a month ago, so I’d say no. He’s a good rebounder who can space the floor for them too. He’s gonna need playing time to develop.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:19 pm    Post subject:

ringfinger wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
storm1324 wrote:
Just going off what Woj is reporting could be Thad wants a multi-year deal and Pacers want to wait till after this season before deciding if the want to offer him a 3-4 year deal.

Thad is soon to be 30, and entering his 12th year in 2018-19.

Adding 23 year old Randle or Aaron Gordon would seem a better long term fit if Thad wants a lone term deal.

Pacers could then try to help the Rockets run at LBJ by offering to take Eric Gordon off the Rockets hand for Al Jefferson's 10 mil (only 4 mil guaranteed contact).


They already have sabonis and turner there. They need a wing and a PG/SG imo

Sabonis is a career backup, no?


He turned 22 a month ago, so I’d say no. He’s a good rebounder who can space the floor for them too. He’s gonna need playing time to develop.


We give up on them early around here.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:54 pm    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
QO isn't a smart move for this FO either.

Because they lose more money.


Think of it this way, let's say that Randle because of what Luke did at the start of the season his market valye is 15-18M for us to have to pay.

The first season it will only cost 12.4 which is solid for this upcoming off-season where we're trying to get these max guys, it's a benefit to us.

Anyway let's assume Randle continues to trend upwards, gets the starter minutes from the get go next year like he should have been getting all year this year, then you essentially have a guy playing way above his 15-18M contract that you've got locked up for another 4 seasons.


Now if you give him the QO and he balls out as expected, he's an UFA that following off-season and instead of having him locked in on 15-18M over the next 4 seasons, you find yourself HAVING to pay him 20-25M to keep him because that is what he'd be worth on the market if he balls out next season as he did this season but starting from the get go, and there'd be no way around it.


So would you rather be paying Randle 15-18M over the next 4 seasons, or pay him the QO for one season and then need to pay him 20-25M afterwards over the next 5 years in order to keep him there.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:50 pm    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
storm1324 wrote:
Just going off what Woj is reporting could be Thad wants a multi-year deal and Pacers want to wait till after this season before deciding if the want to offer him a 3-4 year deal.

Thad is soon to be 30, and entering his 12th year in 2018-19.

Adding 23 year old Randle or Aaron Gordon would seem a better long term fit if Thad wants a lone term deal.

Pacers could then try to help the Rockets run at LBJ by offering to take Eric Gordon off the Rockets hand for Al Jefferson's 10 mil (only 4 mil guaranteed contact).


They already have sabonis and turner there. They need a wing and a PG/SG imo

Sabonis is a career backup, no?


Hard to keep young productive players as career backups. Someone will pluck them and offer them a chance to start.

Most good bench players have had a chance to start sometime in their career.

Sabonis will get a chance to start sometime in his career.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 2:49 pm    Post subject:

I think either someone will overpay Randle because they’ll be “hating” on the Lakers signing George & James and want to “stick it to them” or Randle will get zero offers, and the Lakers will have a chance to get Randle on the cheap (maybe as low as 12 mill per).
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 2:52 pm    Post subject:

Joe Pesci wrote:
I think either someone will overpay Randle because they’ll be “hating” on the Lakers signing George & James and want to “stick it to them” or Randle will get zero offers, and the Lakers will have a chance to get Randle on the cheap (maybe as low as 12 mill per).

I can see him take the QO in that instance.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 2:55 pm    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Joe Pesci wrote:
I think either someone will overpay Randle because they’ll be “hating” on the Lakers signing George & James and want to “stick it to them” or Randle will get zero offers, and the Lakers will have a chance to get Randle on the cheap (maybe as low as 12 mill per).

I can see him take the QO in that instance.

That’d be a huge risk for him as he’s being integrated into a new “system” with a player who will take up a lot of his shine.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:07 pm    Post subject:

Joe Pesci wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Joe Pesci wrote:
I think either someone will overpay Randle because they’ll be “hating” on the Lakers signing George & James and want to “stick it to them” or Randle will get zero offers, and the Lakers will have a chance to get Randle on the cheap (maybe as low as 12 mill per).

I can see him take the QO in that instance.

That’d be a huge risk for him as he’s being integrated into a new “system” with a player who will take up a lot of his shine.


All he would have to do is play good defense and hustle all the way through the playoffs and he will get paid. If he shows improvement in open jumpers he will get close to a max. There are only a handful of bigs that can do all the other things Randle can do.
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