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| Car54 wrote: | | Rivershow wrote: | | Car54 wrote: | | 22 wrote: | | MagicMayun wrote: |
This. I don't know where the perception Randle doesnt have an outside game came from, but its simply not true. Offensively, Randle and Okafor's compliment each other well... even better than Towns who is very limited in the post. Defensively is a different story... as Towns clearly compliments Randle on that end better. |
I think Towns fits better offensively with Randle too. He can spread the floor for him and free up driving lanes. |
If you call shooting 23% from college 3 spreading the floor then I don't want it. |
You don't need to shoot from the 3 to spread the floor especially for a center. And his 3's in college are a small sample size. It's not really indicative of whether he's good at it or not. |
So we can take that small sample from randle as well and say he can be a good 3 pt shooter. Okafor and Randle are both capable of making midrange jumpers. |
Towns shot 48% when operating and attacking mainly from mid range. For a big that's amazing. Then when he attacked from the post in the last 3 months of the college season (when he was finally given a role) he shot 63%.
So yes, I will call a big that shoots 48% when operating from mid capable of stretching the floor, and when he holds the same ability to shoot 63% when attacking from the post it says even more. |
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It's wild how the same people on this "trade Randle" kick are the same ones who are butt hurt about the current situation which was directly caused dumping assets for overpriced established names.
We're not winning at title ANYTIME soon. The Lakers could end up getting Love and Durant this off season and we still wouldn't be winning a tittle for the next two seasons.
it's nonsensical to trade young assets before we know exactly what we have. For all we know Randle could end up being a better player than Towns or Okafor. Hell Clarkson could end up being better than all three of them. We don't know, because they're still developing as players.
People need to chill and understand it's going to take time. There isn't a single player out there that attainable that can instantly turn things around for the Lakers. |
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| Truck Turner wrote: | It's wild how the same people on this "trade Randle" kick are the same ones who are butt hurt about the current situation which was directly caused dumping assets for overpriced established names.
We're not winning at title ANYTIME soon. The Lakers could end up getting Love and Durant this off season and we still wouldn't be winning a tittle for the next two seasons.
it's nonsensical to trade young assets before we know exactly what we have. For all we know Randle could end up being a better player than Towns or Okafor. Hell Clarkson could end up being better than all three of them. We don't know, because they're still developing as players.
People need to chill and understand it's going to take time. There isn't a single player out there that attainable that can instantly turn things around for the Lakers. |
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| Truck Turner wrote: | It's wild how the same people on this "trade Randle" kick are the same ones who are butt hurt about the current situation which was directly caused dumping assets for overpriced established names.
We're not winning at title ANYTIME soon. The Lakers could end up getting Love and Durant this off season and we still wouldn't be winning a tittle for the next two seasons.
it's nonsensical to trade young assets before we know exactly what we have. For all we know Randle could end up being a better player than Towns or Okafor. Hell Clarkson could end up being better than all three of them. We don't know, because they're still developing as players.
People need to chill and understand it's going to take time. There isn't a single player out there that attainable that can instantly turn things around for the Lakers. |
Ummm...why?
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If we ended up with Love and Russell without having to trade Randle... we will have strengthened our frontcourt and backcourt.
Drafting Okafor and then signing Love does nothing for our backcourt.
We need a balanced approach to improving this team. One way is by upgrading our PF position by signing Love, upgrade our PG/SG position by drafting Russell and then start looking to trade for a Center.
Or any combination that, again, strengthens our frontcourt and backcourt.
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| M2K wrote: | If we ended up with Love and Russell without having to trade Randle... we will have strengthened our frontcourt and backcourt.
Drafting Okafor and then signing Love does nothing for our backcourt.
We need a balanced approach to improving this team. One way is by upgrading our PF position by signing Love, upgrade our PG/SG position by drafting Russell and then start looking to trade for a Center.
Or any combination that, again, strengthens our frontcourt and backcourt. |
Instead of trying to wheel and deal. Why not have some faith in the development of young players for a year. Just a year! The balance is there if you let it grow.
IMO a little patience may go a long way in a rebuild from the basement. Questionable "big splash" moves is what led to the Lakers having historically bad seasons.
Draft the quality Center, see if rookie Randle can meet the lofty expectations, sign a starting level SF, let a 1st Team Rookie PG Clarkson develop. Use the remaining cap and late draft picks wisely. Enjoy the Kobe Farewell Tour.
Then re-evaluate next year after they have played together and had a season to build chemistry. |
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| Truck Turner wrote: | It's wild how the same people on this "trade Randle" kick are the same ones who are butt hurt about the current situation which was directly caused dumping assets for overpriced established names.
We're not winning at title ANYTIME soon. The Lakers could end up getting Love and Durant this off season and we still wouldn't be winning a tittle for the next two seasons.
it's nonsensical to trade young assets before we know exactly what we have. For all we know Randle could end up being a better player than Towns or Okafor. Hell Clarkson could end up being better than all three of them. We don't know, because they're still developing as players.
People need to chill and understand it's going to take time. There isn't a single player out there that attainable that can instantly turn things around for the Lakers. |
So our current situation is caused by trading Bynum who we all know what happened once he left and the 19th pick in the 2013 NBA draft, Sergey Karasev. Glad to know if we held on to those assets we wouldn't be in the situation we are now. |
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| USCandLakers wrote: | | Truck Turner wrote: | It's wild how the same people on this "trade Randle" kick are the same ones who are butt hurt about the current situation which was directly caused dumping assets for overpriced established names.
We're not winning at title ANYTIME soon. The Lakers could end up getting Love and Durant this off season and we still wouldn't be winning a tittle for the next two seasons.
it's nonsensical to trade young assets before we know exactly what we have. For all we know Randle could end up being a better player than Towns or Okafor. Hell Clarkson could end up being better than all three of them. We don't know, because they're still developing as players.
People need to chill and understand it's going to take time. There isn't a single player out there that attainable that can instantly turn things around for the Lakers. |
Ummm...why? |
Because Kevin Love isn't remotely as good as some people seem to think he is, The Lakers play in the Western Conference where the good teams are just going to get better, Bryon Scott is our head coach, and there would still be a need to fill out the rest of the roster. |
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| Truck Turner wrote: | | it's nonsensical to trade young assets before we know exactly what we have. For all we know Randle could end up being a better player than Towns or Okafor. Hell Clarkson could end up being better than all three of them. We don't know, because they're still developing as players. |
Let's now look at the flip side of your argument. Who's to say that Randle, Okafor and even Clarkson will pan out? Why dismiss the possibility of trading them for a proven player so quickly? There are far more failed draft picks than picks that live up to their expectations.
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I'm of the opinion that Randle is already being groomed to play some 3.
I think the Lakers have been eyeing Love for a while.
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| Kingpin2010 wrote: | | Truck Turner wrote: | It's wild how the same people on this "trade Randle" kick are the same ones who are butt hurt about the current situation which was directly caused dumping assets for overpriced established names.
We're not winning at title ANYTIME soon. The Lakers could end up getting Love and Durant this off season and we still wouldn't be winning a tittle for the next two seasons.
it's nonsensical to trade young assets before we know exactly what we have. For all we know Randle could end up being a better player than Towns or Okafor. Hell Clarkson could end up being better than all three of them. We don't know, because they're still developing as players.
People need to chill and understand it's going to take time. There isn't a single player out there that attainable that can instantly turn things around for the Lakers. |
So our current situation is caused by trading Bynum who we all know what happened once he left and the 19th pick in the 2013 NBA draft, Sergey Karasev. Glad to know if we held on to those assets we wouldn't be in the situation we are now. |
Lakers dodged a bullet with the Nash trade this year. They are on the path to young and prime player acquisition. Similar to 1996. Only difference is, it wont all be in one year.
The last two miserable year will have netted the Lakers their front court of the future in Randle and Towns. That is a great result from those two horrific seasons. The wild card out of nowhere is Clarkson, we will see what happens there, they may have gotten really luck there wiht PG. And now, its time to get two vets in their prime whom they can rid with for the next decade to title contention. Show has just started folks.
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| Big Game James wrote: | | Truck Turner wrote: | | it's nonsensical to trade young assets before we know exactly what we have. For all we know Randle could end up being a better player than Towns or Okafor. Hell Clarkson could end up being better than all three of them. We don't know, because they're still developing as players. |
Let's now look at the flip side of your argument. Who's to say that Randle, Okafor and even Clarkson will pan out? Why dismiss the possibility of trading them for a proven player so quickly? There are far more failed draft picks than picks that live up to their expectations. |
We don't know, which is why you wait to see what you have. We have the luxury to do that because all of those guys will be on the cheap and wont hurt the cap situation. If they don't pan out then you have the option of going after free agents with TONS of cap space.
I'm not saying you lock them all into long term deals, but you at least gotta see what you have before you dump them in a doomed attempt to win a title right now. |
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If we draft Towns I don't think there is any real reason to consider trading Randle at this time. On paper it seems like there games should mesh pretty well, so why not see how it goes. I am not sure signing a "big name" this year really makes a huge impact in the long run at least at that PF spot.
If we draft Okafor and Russell, then maybe and it's a big maybe if the FO thinks there is an equally talent player who might "fit" better to the number 2 pick and there is a team in the top 7 or so who would do that trade then you consider it. However for all we know Randle might be a great fit next to Okafor |
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| Rivershow wrote: | | Why do people keep creating threads to discussions already on going in other threads? Like discuss it there it doesn't need it's own thread. |
Maybe ppl don't want to read through 500 pages |
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| lakurluv wrote: | Randle seems more focused than Lamar and that might have something to do with the injury so early in his career. I know it sounds bad, but sometimes when a young or rookie player gets an injury like that early in his career, he's quickly reminded of how fast everything can be taken away from him...
With that being said, LO could have been a superstar in this league, but never had the drive or focus to really become something super special. He was a glorified roll player at best and luckily he Won at the highest level.
With the lotto balls in place and the Lakers picking #2 and pending Free Agency, it will be interesting to see how the Lakers move forward with their roster. Something tells me that Randle could possibly be a leverage piece if the Lakers are wanting to "WIN NOW", however if they are willing to wait until Kobe leaves, he's definitely going to stick around.
Chemistry will be extremely important for this roster, pairing 4 other players around Kobe is going to be very instrumental in the quest for playoff positioning.
Okafor would fit the mold of a dominant center like Shaq.
Kobe is Kobe
Clarkson could fill the Combo Guard roll aka BShaw Ron Harper
KLove could fill the spread 4 roll like Robert Horry
Tobias Harris could fill the Rick Fox Roll
Suitable bench players to match the profiles of D. Fish and an adequate backup for Okafor and Kobe could make for an exciting season. Randle could be the main point of focus off the bench, with some good pieces. Of course the Triangle and Phil aren't in place, but Lakers History is with B. Scott at the helm and that's saying a lot... |
Are you really comparing Okafor to Shaq? Prime Shaq? Next year? And Brown to Phil? And Kobe 2015 to Kobe 2002? Am I seeing things? I must be imagining all that... |
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| Worthy42 wrote: | | Man... the Cavs have turned it up 3fold since Love went out. They're a consistent defensive force now, they run the floor more and they're carving up everyone. |
They haven't played anyone... A banged up Bulls team and a more banged up Atlanta team. |
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| PakaLOLO wrote: | | Rivershow wrote: | | Why do people keep creating threads to discussions already on going in other threads? Like discuss it there it doesn't need it's own thread. |
Maybe ppl don't want to read through 500 pages |
exactly. ... I think some ppl would like if there were only like 4 or 5 topics that everyone just piled their comments into  |
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| If the Lakers know for sure Kevin Love is gonna commit to sign here.... which should be known around draft time... then I think there is a very good chance Randle gets moved for either the Knicks 4th pick or a really good star player.... the reality some fans in here don't get is that the NBA is a business and with that comes making bold decisions/sacrifices. |
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| lewis wrote: | | Truck Turner wrote: | It's wild how the same people on this "trade Randle" kick are the same ones who are butt hurt about the current situation which was directly caused dumping assets for overpriced established names.
We're not winning at title ANYTIME soon. The Lakers could end up getting Love and Durant this off season and we still wouldn't be winning a tittle for the next two seasons.
it's nonsensical to trade young assets before we know exactly what we have. For all we know Randle could end up being a better player than Towns or Okafor. Hell Clarkson could end up being better than all three of them. We don't know, because they're still developing as players.
People need to chill and understand it's going to take time. There isn't a single player out there that attainable that can instantly turn things around for the Lakers. |
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| Worthy42 wrote: | Man... the Cavs have turned it up 3fold since Love went out. They're a consistent defensive force now, they run the floor more and they're carving up everyone.
Love's great for a stacked team, someone like the Spurs. Unless we have some kind of wink-wink deal where Westbrook joins his buddy in '17, I don't see the purpose of bringing him in for a big contract. Dude's 'soft.' |
Completely agreed. They sure haven't skipped a beat without him. The Cavs are probably hoping he opts out. |
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| KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | There's nothing wrong with having a lot of talent on your team. It's not a knock on Randle if he doesn't start. Heck he's coming back from a broken leg need I remind some of you who expect him to be putting up 20/10.
Also a reminder, you will be crazy to think either Okafor or Towns can average more than 30 mpg over an 82 game season. If you do ... they will hit the inevitable rookie wall by the All Star break. This applies to Randle as well who didn't play his rookie year.
Having Kevin Love play 35-40 mpg is a GOOD THING. This will allow Okafor and Randle to ease in and play 25-30 minutes a game. |
BUMP ... there is plenty of playing time. Geez
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| av3773 wrote: | If we draft Towns I don't think there is any real reason to consider trading Randle at this time. On paper it seems like there games should mesh pretty well, so why not see how it goes. I am not sure signing a "big name" this year really makes a huge impact in the long run at least at that PF spot.
If we draft Okafor and Russell, then maybe and it's a big maybe if the FO thinks there is an equally talent player who might "fit" better to the number 2 pick and there is a team in the top 7 or so who would do that trade then you consider it. However for all we know Randle might be a great fit next to Okafor |
It does make a huge impact. You have to keep one eye on your own roster and one eye on the rest of the league. Bringing in a big name attracts other big names.
We are in an enviable position where we have the capability to build for the present (free agents) AND the future (draft picks). If we want to get young free agents in their prime, we need to give them a reason to believe they can start winning quickly. Draft picks don't give them that assurance.
But that doesn't mean we need to trade any of our young assets. Like I said, we're in a rare position to build for now and the future. We don't HAVE to trade Randle, so why are people even bringing that up? Let him develop behind Love or Okafor or whoever starts at the 3. He can get his feet wet in the league against other bench players for 20-25mpg and his confidence will remain sky high. Kobe began his career behind an all-star and he turned out pretty good. 
If a star player wants to sign here this summer, sign him. That at least gets other free agents to begin considering us next summer (Durant) and/or the summer after that (westbrook). All 5 starting positions are open as far as I'm concerned. I don't feel like we need to choose between free agents and draft picks. As of right now, we need 5 reliable starters and we have none. Sign some.
I have actually made a 180 with signing Love. I was opposed to it because we'd still need a defensive anchor at center, but there just aren't many of those around the league. We can't afford to lose out on star free agents because of that. We'll just need to be active in scouting and maybe luck into the next Whiteside.
I've been shouting from the rooftops for Tyson Chandler, and that's still a dream of mine for this off season. I've been saying it even before we got the #2 pick, but he'd be a great mentor for Okafor/Towns. I reaaaaally hope there's a way to get him. |
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| If Lakers do sign Love then we def in desperation win now mode. Might as well offer OKC the #2, Randle, Hill, #27 + filler(s) for the rehabbing Kevin Durant with contingency he sign extension (risk of damaged goods) |
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| governator wrote: | | If Lakers do sign Love then we def in desperation win now mode. Might as well offer OKC the #2, Randle, Hill, #27 + filler(s) for the rehabbing Kevin Durant with contingency he sign extension (risk of damaged goods) |
"Desperation" is the wrong word. You sign Love to add an all star to a stable of young players. You have to consider the Lakers are full of junk that nobody wants.
Now you will have ...
- #2 pick (Okafor/Towns)
- Randle
- Clarkson
- Love
- Kobe
That's a lot more enticing to the upcoming BIG FREE AGENTS like Durant and Westbrook.
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| Truck Turner wrote: | | Big Game James wrote: | | Truck Turner wrote: | | it's nonsensical to trade young assets before we know exactly what we have. For all we know Randle could end up being a better player than Towns or Okafor. Hell Clarkson could end up being better than all three of them. We don't know, because they're still developing as players. |
Let's now look at the flip side of your argument. Who's to say that Randle, Okafor and even Clarkson will pan out? Why dismiss the possibility of trading them for a proven player so quickly? There are far more failed draft picks than picks that live up to their expectations. |
We don't know, which is why you wait to see what you have. We have the luxury to do that because all of those guys will be on the cheap and wont hurt the cap situation. If they don't pan out then you have the option of going after free agents with TONS of cap space.
I'm not saying you lock them all into long term deals, but you at least gotta see what you have before you dump them in a doomed attempt to win a title right now. |
Again, the counter argument is: If you wait to see, and find out that your player is the next Darko Milicic, then you no longer have a valuable trade chip.
Let's be clear, I'm not on the bandwagon of trading our young players, especially for a broken and repetitious / unnecessary position at PF, in Kevin Love. But trades are a part of the rebuild process and a good team has to entertain all ideas. Is trading Randle or Clarkson a good idea? 
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| KobeDunk wrote: | | Worthy42 wrote: | | Man... the Cavs have turned it up 3fold since Love went out. They're a consistent defensive force now, they run the floor more and they're carving up everyone. |
They haven't played anyone... A banged up Bulls team and a more banged up Atlanta team. |
One banged up team beat other banged up teams
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