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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:32 pm    Post subject:

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The missed dunk just did it...
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:23 pm    Post subject:

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I'm thinking of changing my nickname to "KingKane"

I thought he played pretty good tonight. Better than the trash Marshall usually brings to the court, for sure
i have to watch that replay, i saw the stat lines. i saw the tail end of the game but i need to watch the first 3 qtrs and change.

but looks like what i said was right. marshall out of the way, kane gets real burn, and some burn at pg. he's the leading assist man with 3. why only 3? we still cant shoot. so there goes easy assists. and our main big is out there dribbling the assist away(randle). so there that goes. thats an additional 3 assist easy.

i will say this, as of today with legit mins that 3 ball is looking real suspect from the stats page. so at the moment his 3 is looking like smarts. but i will still call him a better shooter then smart unless a season goes by and they get around the same playing time and kane is still missing. i have history that shows kane can hit that shot. i dont have anything showig me smart can hit that shot on any consistent basis.

question are they really trying to resign marshall for less or a different contract? or are they just saying that so they wont look bad?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:54 pm    Post subject:

After the few preseason games in which he basically didn't do anything better than Glock & Morris ya need to give it up about this over comparison!!!
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 4:44 am    Post subject:

I would bring him to pre season. If nothing more, he can be our perimeter defense specialist. He has no excuse to at least not be efficient on d
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I would bring him to pre season. If nothing more, he can be our perimeter defense specialist. He has no excuse to at least not be efficient on d
bad defense can come from two directions.

1. you're just a bad defender. you dont pay attention, while you're also slow of foot. or you're athletic but still cant read offenses and pay attention to offensive player tendencies(patterns)

2.your team defense sucks. so since you're not ultra long with crazy athletic ability. you dont have the ability to make up for your bad team defense's mistakes. so it can make you look like a worse defender. when in reality if you were on a team with a solid TEAM defensive scheme. with your knowledge of defense. you could actually look pretty good on d.

kane looks good on team defense at times. decent on man at times. but other times he gets caught off guard(this is something he admitted himself he has to work on). This is something smart excels at. quiet as kept, i wish it was 1990 and smart came out. so he could lock people up. or i wish smart was 6'6. so he could defend the sg position with length and his crazy strength.
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After the few preseason games in which he basically didn't do anything better than Glock & Morris ya need to give it up about this over comparison!!!
how is it an over comparison. did you see the other guys numbers? where that other guy was featured in his offense from Game 1 to the last game they played. where that other guy shot a ton of shots, played PG at first, then moved him to SG.

where as they had kane not being featured because they decided to feature kendal and clarkson then randle(once he signed). then to boot they had kane playing SF at 6'4..lol. and rarely ran anything on his side of the court. they allowed him to play a little sg from time to time. very little pg. and only this past game did they exclusively let him run PG from the start cause guess who didnt play? Marshall.

guess what kane did. he drove and dished, he should've had 5 assists. one guy got fouled going up. another guy should've made his shot. i think he ended with 3. but if you watched the game. he got into the lane when he wanted to. he also showed what i told you guys he would show. he bullied the smaller pg that was defending him. he put dude in the post on his back. he got to the rim absorbed the smaller guys contact and basically went thru him. they didnt call as many fouls as they should have for him because he was just going thru his man when he chose to drive for the purpose of scoring. his 3 ball was bricking. but again this is the first time he had a chance to play the position he played in college. from start of the game to finish with real mins. without marshal in his way. he took two questionable 3's in my opinion. he needs to get used to the nba 3 pt line for real before he starts doing fancy dribble moves then pulling up in one motion. learn how to shoot the nba 3 with one dribble and a pull up first and on catch and shoots first. then add the cute stuff. you aint kobe yet. lol.

He looks a 100 times better then Dmorris. he looks better then glock overall. even though i liked what glock could bring a team(scoring off the bench, shooting). since we saw glock coldnt do anything else but hit a few shots when he got hot. if he wasnt hot. he was worthless. since he could not run point to save his life. and because he was smaller he wasnt that hot of a defender. he was ok for the sg position. but too short. which is why the lakers wanted him to be able to play pg. but he just didnt have it in him.

kane can run a team enough to play point so not to be a liability at the sg spot for being shorter then 6'5. unlike glock. kane can get to the rack an take contact. glock had to shoot that pretty tear drop. if that wasnt hitting he was never going all the way to the rack.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 6:00 am    Post subject:

He looks better than Morris. He looks better than Goudelock.

When he played PG in the last game, he did not look better than Marcus Smart.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:07 am    Post subject:

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He looks better than Morris. He looks better than Goudelock.

When he played PG in the last game, he did not look better than Marcus Smart.



Yep. He's worth a look at camp.


Let's see what the FO thinks..
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He looks better than Morris. He looks better than Goudelock.

When he played PG in the last game, he did not look better than Marcus Smart.
it was the first game he played pg mike.stop it. you know it was the first game where they allowed him to play pg most of the game. look, i wouldnt even be upset if they played him at the sg spot. just as long as they give him the same "FEATURE" sets as they do others.

remember how you said clarkson was showing his pg skills. i said, no. he was showing his scoring ability with a little scorer facilitator in there.

clarkson still being featured, still playing a lot of mins. still not hitting 5 assists. that tells me. he's going to be a scorer/facilitator in the nba. regardless of his job in college.
it seems so natural for him to do that. i dont know if i want to ruin it or taper back his aggression to make him a true pg. kane is closer to a pg then clarkson is. but kane can get into the paint better then marshall.

now what kane cant do as of now is Shoot. so what i said in the title about jumper is false as of now. but again. smart had the entire spl as a featured guy with the ball in his hands in his college positions pg/sg. and he still couldnt hit on any consistent basis. he shot below 26% on 3's and over 29% FG. awful

kane as the odd man out in every game except for the last one. not being featured, playing SF at 6'4, not playing many mins at first. cant hit the 3 10% awful, overall 44%fg not that bad for a first time non featured out of position nba pg.

there;s no reason to compare anything else. and quiet as kept i darn near cant compare their fg%'s except for the fact smart has an awful overall percentage being that he played so many mins and was the featured guy on his team. thats a darn shame is what it is mike. and i'm scared for boston. lol.

kane, the only thing i need to know is if given quality consistent mins at PG/SG while he's a featured guy. would he be able to up his 3pt% to say 35% as a rookie pg and lets go up from there. if not. then he's not the guy for us. i think he can do that with the consistent mins. without them. no.

shooters dont need perfect mins to hit. but guys that can score a bit and shoot a bit. do need that nice batch of consistent mins to start hitting their jumpers consistently. i know you agree with this mike.

be honest mike. lets leave kane out for a second. dont you find it scary that smart as strong as he is, as quick as he is. as good as people thought he was(including you).. saw a guy be the featured guy at pg/sg playing 30 mins per(a ton of mins for a spl guy). and he still not being able to hit 40%. thats scary mike dont you think? forget the 3's for a moment. make your layups. hit your mid range shots. now if you pull the stats and they show him making those shots. then it goes back to my other theory, why are you shooting a shot you cant make the 3 ball. you have never been able to make that shot. why are you shooting 9 of them, 7 of them, 5 of them, thats ridiculous dont you think?

feature kane like they did smart and do so consistently. and i bet he will end up with a higher fg% overall, a decent amt of assists to boot, and probably a nice steal to go along with it. smart will have the overall ppg look pretty but man if it takes you 20 shots to get to 14 points. you already know you cant shoot mike.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 12:09 pm    Post subject:

I think his biggest problem through all the earlier games is that he was trying to do too much. He has no guarantee of a roster spot and who knows when his next chance to make an NBA team will be? He was playing desperate out there too eager to show he could do something. He finally took a step back and played comfortably also playing his actual position helps. Marcus smart with a jumper? No. I don't think so. But I also don't think he is nearly as bad as the first 3 games showed.
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I think his biggest problem through all the earlier games is that he was trying to do too much. He has no guarantee of a roster spot and who knows when his next chance to make an NBA team will be? He was playing desperate out there too eager to show he could do something. He finally took a step back and played comfortably also playing his actual position helps. Marcus smart with a jumper? No. I don't think so. But I also don't think he is nearly as bad as the first 3 games showed.
the truth is he only played poorly in game 3. game 1, he scored well for extremely limited mins, but got into early foul trouble on two bogus calls. but hey the officials are also auditioning. but they were also not featuring him which is why he played less then 15 mins that game i believe.

the following game. not featured in the offense at all. therefore he was forcing shots like you stated. the guy was playing SF. thats not his position he cant play that position at all. put meeks at sf and see how bad he looks. and we all think meeks is a legit nba role guy. and the fact that the lakers were intentionally trying to get clarkson touches as well as randle, and allow marshall to run point. meant kane was the odd man out. so he had no choice but to try and FORCE the situation. which will almost always result in a bad shooting night when you're playing less then 25 mins per.
game 2 he did have 5 assist i believe. again a guy getting 5 assists in an offense that doesnt feature him and mostly runs him out of position is outstanding. but not one will admit this because most dont understand how difficult that is to pull off in that situation.

game 3 he didnt have the best shooting night. lol. finally got some legit burn at pg late. and played a few more mins. took a couple of bad threes. but you could see that he had more of a chance to attempt to score and try to set guys up. guys missed a few times so there went his assists. in addition guys like clarkson and randle dribbling out his assists.

game 4, everyone sucked including kane. but once again he was only given 15 mins and wasnt apart of the offense. back to playing SF a lot again.

game 5, his most mins, no marshall means he gets to play pg from the start. 2 steals, 3 rebs, 12 pts, 5-9, still bricked most of his 3's(again shot 2 bad threes if you ask me. again trying to do to much since this is his last spl game/perhaps chance.. who knows. also had 3 assists. he could've had 6 if randle would've stopped dribbling so much and just went to the rack. 2 of his passes resulted in a game getting fouled while going up. so without that foul the guy would've scored.

it proved that once given real mins and placed at either pg/sg being apart of the offense. he could show his abilities. smart like the other top picks were featured on his team and played a ton of mins every single game at his natural positions pg/sg.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 4:42 am    Post subject:

I think the issue is you think he should be featured.

Yet, there have been impactful games from Mbekwe and Thompkins. Kevin Murphy isn't a featured player, but he's impactful.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 5:55 am    Post subject:

I saw at least four outside shot by Kane that either were airballed or didn't touch rim...his touch is questionable at best. Seemed Murphy was better through the summer league IMO...Murphy's are solid ballers!
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I saw at least four outside shot by Kane that either were airballed or didn't touch rim...his tough is questionable at best. Seemed Murphy was better through the summer league IMO...Murphy's are solid ballers!
i agree with you after seeing what we've seen in these spl games. but again. if he had a history(in college) of being a brick layer. then i saw him airballing. i would say welp, the guy cant shoot just like we all knew he couldnt shoot.

the fact he wasnt a brick layer at iowa. now he's laying bricks. and he use to shoot 3's way beyond the college line(nba 3pt line). tells me the reason he's missing isnt because he cant shoot. its for multiple reasons.

how many of those shots that he's bricked(i'll take a rim in and out or a dang..it almost went in...miss) where it was a hard clank or an airball. where you say his feet were set and he didnt do some fancy to semi fancy dribble move first and try to pull up. how many of those air balls were on catch and shoot while standing still, how many were on him taking one or two dribbles and pulling up with no defender on him, but yet he still airballed or clanked it?

most of the ones i saw were him doing way to much with the ball first. going around the back step back's, etc. but why was he doing to much? like some other poster said. the guy was TRYING to hard, because of the situation i said he was in earlier before marshall got cut. he had limiited mins , limited touches, playing out of position at SF. he had to find shots and productivity from some where. so he started rushing stuff. trying to TAKE shots that were not good shots.
when i saw smart play. i saw a guy who was featured in his teams offense. he started all of the games that boston played in the spl. kane started non of them.smart played pg and sg. so i didnt see smart rushing it after say game 2(i'll give you first 2 game jitters). i still saw a guy taking a ton of 3's and just plain bricking a lot of them. but it wasnt any different then his time at OK in college. its not any different then his scouting report. great defender, super strong, quick, has some pg skill, seems like a leader. but cant shoot the 3 ball to save his life. tremendous defender.

kane on the other hand, is saying cant shoot ft's well(we see that now still). can shoot the 3, can shoot the mid range jumper, can score in the paint with his size/strength for his position. can run point and setup guys. but he's 25 yrs old.

thats the report on these guys.

so i might be able to give kane's airballs a semi pass. because i know he's being trying to hard due to the situation he was in (no fault of his own).

give me a kane that airballs and bricks like this while he's averaging 28+ mins per, while being featured as the #1 pg or #2 sg in the SPL. then we will say Sorry kane you cant shoot. its not a thing of being comfortable. you cant shoot.

speaking of shooting, i was looking at a few of these guys we all liked in the draft. good grief. non of these boys can hit. its looking bad out there.lol. exum is awful too. and like you guys have said. these guys are not just missing. guys are AIR BALLING. left and right.

the only guy off the top of my head that was a guy who could score and shoot(not just a shooters shooter) that has hit that 3 ball is Gary harris. that guy is the real deal.
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I think the issue is you think he should be featured.

Yet, there have been impactful games from Mbekwe and Thompkins. Kevin Murphy isn't a featured player, but he's impactful.
mike, notice who you are naming. Forwards. taller guys. i've explained this before
name me one guard, that is 6'4 or shorter. thats been impactful on any spl team that hasnt been featured and hasnt played over 25mins per game. the answer is NONE. there isnt such a player.

if you are 6'5+, at SF and not being featured. you can be impactful. with your length, height, athleticism. crashing the glass, backdoor cuts for lobs, you can actually play the passing lanes because your man at SF isnt the primary ball handler. so you dont have to defend the ball. just stay inbetween your guy and the ball. bam, a possible steal.

kane's scenarios. 6'4, playing SF. to short to post up SF's and score on them if he gets the ball. the plays were ran from marshall to clarkson to randle, or marshall to clarkson for clarkson to score, or from clarkson to randle. the other guys got involved when there was some penetration and kicking. guess who kicked? KANE, he hit the guys you've named on a lot of those passes he made for assists and the almost assist when guys got fouled or just bricked open shots. so without kane they would not have been nearly as impactful. kane was setting up guys better then everyone not named marshall. and marshall for the most part was going to clarkson, randle. another thing, i've said this before. cutting backdoor vs NBA length/athleticism. isnt the same as it is in college. kane is a solid player off the ball mike. you know this. dont make me post the iowa videos again. its not like he's known as being ball dominant only. but he cant play SF mike. thats ridiculous. another SF is guarding him at around 6'7. with long arms, speed, and crazy hops. what happens when kane cuts back door. and say marshall throws the lob but it isnt perfect. TIPPED by the super alien high jumping SF thats defending kane. hats what happens. kane is not a large enough target to make a lot of use of backdoor cuts.

so now why not flare out for open jumpers. this is an issue with how our spl team was ran. we rarely ran plays thru. notice denver getting gary harris off with plays(him coming off of curls with screens.

we rarely did that on the lakers. our offense was simple. the SF go on the weakside. the pg kicks it to the sg. goes down toward the paint then V cut back out. once the pg comes back if the sg didnt have a lane or an open shot. he gives it back to the pg(marshall). kane-SF. goes back to the top and sets a soft screen on Pf's man. then he pops back out to the top on the same weakside he was on in the beginning. meaning he's not seeing the ball come his way unless the pg gets caught, or if the pg passes it to a big to far out and they get caught without a move to make. so they kick it to kane as a bailout.

you cant expect kane to be impactful every game if thats his scenarios mike. and thats his height/length. thats not on him.

he had the 5 assists game. but that also took someone making shots. he had multiple games where he got into the paint and hit open guys for jumpers or hit bigs for layup and they either bricked the layup while being hit for no calls or they got hit and missed the shot. there went his assist. but thats still impactful. if you are leading your guys with passes that result in points OR Fouls on the opponent is impacting the game.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:56 am    Post subject:

P&P is Kane's public defender.


P&P plays better defense on Kane than Kane does in the game itself.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 12:22 pm    Post subject:

PNP beating a dead horse to prove he is right!!!! for a nobody player...I saw your beating a dead horse last season with the Dantoni situation so no surprise
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 1:40 pm    Post subject:

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PNP beating a dead horse to prove he is right!!!! for a nobody player...I saw your beating a dead horse last season with the Dantoni situation so no surprise


Not to mention Howard vs Bynum. PnP = Bill Murray in Groundhog's Day. Get up in the morning and post the same thing in LG.
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PNP beating a dead horse to prove he is right!!!! for a nobody player...I saw your beating a dead horse last season with the Dantoni situation so no surprise


Not to mention Howard vs Bynum. PnP = Bill Murray in Groundhog's Day. Get up in the morning and post the same thing in LG.
i was right about howard was i not? yes i was. i was right about bynum as well. i HOPED he never got injured again.

but he did. people tried to act as if howard was head and shoulders better then a healthy drew. when that was a flat out lie. dwight was in the nba longer as the #1 and only goto player on his team, while drew had to play 4th fiddle behind gasol, lo, and kobe. then he moved to 3rd, then to semi 2nd with mike brown. and bam, allstar. but those knees did him in. not his game. lol at me beating a dead horse about dwight. i told you guys that guy was not worth max unless he changed his game. he hasnt as of yet. so he's what i said he was. a #2 player. why didnt houston do much. they had two #2's on the team. thats not enough.

and again do we really have anything to talk about? NOp. so i can beat this horse all day if i like.
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chazz wrote:
PNP beating a dead horse to prove he is right!!!! for a nobody player...I saw your beating a dead horse last season with the Dantoni situation so no surprise
what was a dead horse with mda. oh i know if i dont agree with everything P&M comment about the coach and the FO. i'm beating the dead horse. the dead horse is you guys constantly P&M ing about those two things coach and FO. as if injuries were not the #1 issue. anyone saying otherwise is beating a dead horse.
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I can't believe I actually read all 14 pages of this thread. I've got to find a better way to spend my Sundays.
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you cant expect kane to be impactful every game if thats his scenarios mike. and thats his height/length. thats not on him.


It is on him.

Mbekwe isn't the most explosive.

Murphy is an average athlete with a good J. Most consistent guy out there.

You're telling me a 25 year old PG/SG couldn't adapt to the SF position (when he has great experience and should be able to) because he lacks height/wingspan, but didn't utilize ball-handling, quickness, and speed at the SF slot, which he has over ALL of the remaining Laker Vegas Pro League roster.

Do you see why I have a problem with this argument?

How is this different from a PG forcing a switch onto a bigger defender on a pick and roll situation, and then attacking?

So why is it an issue when he has the ball at the SF slot, and has trouble attacking?
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you cant expect kane to be impactful every game if thats his scenarios mike. and thats his height/length. thats not on him.


It is on him.

Mbekwe isn't the most explosive.

Murphy is an average athlete with a good J. Most consistent guy out there.

You're telling me a 25 year old PG/SG couldn't adapt to the SF position (when he has great experience and should be able to) because he lacks height/wingspan, but didn't utilize ball-handling, quickness, and speed at the SF slot, which he has over ALL of the remaining Laker Vegas Pro League roster.

Do you see why I have a problem with this argument?

How is this different from a PG forcing a switch onto a bigger defender on a pick and roll situation, and then attacking?

So why is it an issue when he has the ball at the SF slot, and has trouble attacking?
mike i aint buying it.
you're asking a guy that was completely outside of the offense playing SF at 6'4. 6'4 and he doesnt have shannon brown athleticism. but you're asking a guy in that situation to be very impactful? has never happened. and will never happen. lol


you cant use your quickness if you dont have the ball mike. the guy was on the weakside of most plays most of the time. when he got the ball with enough time left. he blew by his man and got into the paint. is that not true mike? Yes its true. so what exactly are you talking about?

the guy had very limiited opportunities. you keep naming other REAL forwards playing a FORWARD position. lol thats not out of position and on the weakside of the ball every other time.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 8:10 pm    Post subject:

KBH wrote:
I can't believe I actually read all 14 pages of this thread. I've got to find a better way to spend my Sundays.
kbh, we aint got nothing better to do until the season starts. lol . might as well fight over a guy that doesnt even have a legit jersey number yet. shoot, i dont even know if he has a preseason invite
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