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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 2:44 pm    Post subject:

Dave20 wrote:
Stanley Johnson Hard Work and Dedication vid. The Lakers need this kind of player.



I know about his physique.

I also know about his skill level.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 2:48 pm    Post subject:

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Levert lacks strength and shy's away from contact when driving. He has quick feet but he stills gets over powered by college players, would not want him guarding some of the best SG's or SF's in the league. Solid prospect in the mid teens, but wouldn't draft him in the top 5.

Stanley Johnson has an NBA body, i.e Lebron and Melo when they entered the draft. Will have an immediate impact as a rookie, great versatility. Has shown he can guard multiple positions and is one of the best finishers driving to the basket. His floor is very high but if he can develop a consistent 3pt shot, has superstar potential.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2191909-meet-stanley-johnson-the-best-two-way-prospect-in-the-2015-nba-draft


I never said I was drafting him top 5. Why would anyone assume that?

His strength was doubled from his freshman to soph year. Same for Stauskas on the same regiment. There's still room to improve.

Body is easier to work on than ball-handling.

I think Stanley Johnson is overrated. Among the best of his class? Sure. Among the best of several classes? No.

Melo and LeBron had more developed bodies. They also had far more advanced skill than Stanley Johnson.

LeBron entered the league as a point guard. Melo already had isolation skills from the perimeter. Stanley lacks that. He has zero left hand.

Guys like DeRozan and Wiggins were similar out of HS. At least they absolutely exploded over defenders.

Stanley lacks that too.
Stanley is 6'7 240 lbs and he's only 18, he's just as big as Lebron and Melo was when they entered the draft. I wasn't comparing their games, just body type. He does have some similarities to Lebron like driving and creating for others, just not as quick.

He's not as explosive as Wiggins or Derozan but he's still a great athlete for his size. He has a better skill set and power then both. I think the article describes him accurately, a combination of Kawhi Leonard and prime Artest. Not a 25 ppg scorer like Melo or Harden, but 21/8/4 with great defense and a more complete player.


Here's the difference.

Kawhi Leonard has the arms and hands of a center. 7'3" wingspan.

It also took the perfect development program from the Spurs to turn him into a Finals MVP wing.

Prime Artest? It's weird to say this, but even a young Artest had more guard skills entering the NBA. Better left hand. MUCH better court vision. Post up abilities.

I don't see much difference between Stanley Johnson and say, PJ Hairston except hoop IQ.

Both only have a right hand.
Both love to shoot jumpshots.
Both have NBA physiques.
Johnson has better commitment to defense.

There isn't much that is multi-dimensional about his offensive game outside of size.

I'd take the skill/speed/quickness of Levert over the physique of Johnson.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 7:33 am    Post subject:

So if we do keep the top 5 pick, who would you want because Levert isn't a top 5 prospect?

http://www.nbadraftroom.com/p/2015-nba-mock-draft.html
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 9:01 pm    Post subject:

It'll be interesting to see how they play now that the Harrisons drastically improved there bodies. I think both are firsts
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 5:59 am    Post subject:

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So if we do keep the top 5 pick, who would you want because Levert isn't a top 5 prospect?

http://www.nbadraftroom.com/p/2015-nba-mock-draft.html


WAY WAY too early to project that.

This is why I don't like mock drafts. Mock drafts don't exactly list players from best to worst in order of rank.

I just know what talent I'm looking for. Easy to address weaknesses. Triple threat abilities. Athletic abilities. Hoop IQ. Work ethic.

That's why Jordan Clarkson looks as good as he does as a 2nd round pick.

This is also why, wherever LeVert gets drafted, he has a great chance of looking better.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:05 am    Post subject:

Karl Towns intrigues me the most, but Duke will be the most interesting team to watch this year. A lot of really skilled freshmen in Jones, Okafor, and Winslow.

It'll be interesting to see how Selden develops.

Porzingis has some serious upside, I hope he explodes this year.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:22 am    Post subject:

Wayne Selden needs a jumpshot badly. He hasn't shown a great first-step. Very two-dimensional offense, like Corey Maggette.

Duke looks scary. Elite playmaking PG. Elite wing with Team USA experience. Elite post player.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:47 am    Post subject:

You never know with freshmen, but I don't know how anyone can beat Duke with that skill level and a great coach.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:50 am    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
Wayne Selden needs a jumpshot badly. He hasn't shown a great first-step. Very two-dimensional offense, like Corey Maggette.

Duke looks scary. Elite playmaking PG. Elite wing with Team USA experience. Elite post player.


I have it
1. Ky
2. Arizona
3. Duke
4. Wisconsin
5. UNC
6. Kansas
7. It doesn't matter

Its a very top heavy year.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:57 am    Post subject:

Fan0Bynum17 wrote:
You never know with freshmen, but I don't know how anyone can beat Duke with that skill level and a great coach.


Dukes athleticism however especially in the post can be exploited.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:51 am    Post subject:

Justwar wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Wayne Selden needs a jumpshot badly. He hasn't shown a great first-step. Very two-dimensional offense, like Corey Maggette.

Duke looks scary. Elite playmaking PG. Elite wing with Team USA experience. Elite post player.


I have it
1. Ky
2. Arizona
3. Duke
4. Wisconsin
5. UNC
6. Kansas
7. It doesn't matter

Its a very top heavy year.


Did I miss something about Arizona's recruiting class? I don't expect Gabe York to have that much of a breakout year just yet.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 11:08 am    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
Justwar wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Wayne Selden needs a jumpshot badly. He hasn't shown a great first-step. Very two-dimensional offense, like Corey Maggette.

Duke looks scary. Elite playmaking PG. Elite wing with Team USA experience. Elite post player.


I have it
1. Ky
2. Arizona
3. Duke
4. Wisconsin
5. UNC
6. Kansas
7. It doesn't matter

Its a very top heavy year.


Did I miss something about Arizona's recruiting class? I don't expect Gabe York to have that much of a breakout year just yet.
then Kentucky unanimous number 1
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 12:16 pm    Post subject:

if tyus jones turns out to be chris paul v2 with the goat-tier AST:TO and efficient shooting i would take him first overall no hesitation
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 12:55 pm    Post subject:

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if tyus jones turns out to be chris paul v2 with the goat-tier AST:TO and efficient shooting i would take him first overall no hesitation


For my money, I'll take Tyler Ulis, size questions and all. Plays very intense in your face D, and distributes wonderfully. If you give him a inch of space he will hit 40 percent or better on his 3. Tyus is good but I just have seen them match up, Ulis got the upper hand but scouts were nervous about the height.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 5:58 am    Post subject:

Okafor has slimmed down a bit from his recent interviews, looks a lot more like Duncan now. Great offensive player but I don't think he would be the best fit next to Randle. Towns is a PF, very similar to Aldridge. I think WCS would be the best option at C in the draft because of his defense and lateral quikness.

Stanley Johnson in the top 5 and WCS with the Rockets pick is who I want in the draft.

Starting 5 next year

Rondo
Kobe
Stanley Johnson
Randle
Willie Cauley Stein
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 6:47 am    Post subject:

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Okafor has slimmed down a bit from his recent interviews, looks a lot more like Duncan now. Great offensive player but I don't think he would be the best fit next to Randle. Towns is a PF, very similar to Aldridge. I think WCS would be the best option at C in the draft because of his defense and lateral quikness.

Stanley Johnson in the top 5 and WCS with the Rockets pick is who I want in the draft.

Starting 5 next year

Rondo
Kobe
Stanley Johnson
Randle
Willie Cauley Stein


The Lakers flat out need the best talent they can get. Okafor is one of those guys.

He's a specialist in the paint. That's the kind of player you have fit around, not adapt them to someone else.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 6:59 am    Post subject:

I understand that but if Randle does show that he can be a great player and we draft Okafor, then one will eventually have to be traded. Both are post players and neither are jump shooters or great defensively, wouldn't be a good fit. This is why I would want Stanley Johnson or Mudiay instead.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 9:05 am    Post subject:

how big are levert's hands? could be crucial #bighandscrew2015
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 7:12 pm    Post subject:

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I understand that but if Randle does show that he can be a great player and we draft Okafor, then one will eventually have to be traded. Both are post players and neither are jump shooters or great defensively, wouldn't be a good fit. This is why I would want Stanley Johnson or Mudiay instead.


Disagree.

If Okafor and Randle get a midrange game, the talent is kept and the Lakers have a bigman advantage over the rest of the league.

I really don't like Mudiay. I think he's overrated.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 11:27 pm    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
Dave20 wrote:
I understand that but if Randle does show that he can be a great player and we draft Okafor, then one will eventually have to be traded. Both are post players and neither are jump shooters or great defensively, wouldn't be a good fit. This is why I would want Stanley Johnson or Mudiay instead.


Disagree.

If Okafor and Randle get a midrange game, the talent is kept and the Lakers have a bigman advantage over the rest of the league.

I really don't like Mudiay. I think he's overrated.


I agree about mudiay. I watched full games on YouTube and he didn't impress me at all. My number 1 pick in this draft is Karl towns. The kid just screams franchise player/superstar to me.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 11:49 pm    Post subject:

Wrote the guy I think the Lakers should pursue with Houston's pick. The Point Guard Delon Wright who could wind up the steal of the draft if we land him in 2015. I'll just quote what I said

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Being that we have Houston's pick and our pick is going to be somewhere in the late teens or early 20s most likely.

If you're looking for a 'point guard' that's a passer as well as skilled, I'd strongly recommend Delon Wright. He'll come into his 2nd year of college this year. His first year he averaged 15.5p/6.8r/5.3a/2.5stls/1.3blks a game his first year, and shot 56% from the field(63% on 2 pointers) and that was in his first year. He has very sneaky quicks and a lightning fast first step. He has a very smooth, controlled and paced game, not too high not too low, has patience to wait to turn on the jets instead of having them on all the time. That's why I called his quicks sneaky because he doesn't seem quick till he shows it and when he shows it he's left the top of the key where he was defended at the rim already.

Flown under the radar for the most part and will likely get more attention this year. Dropped 23/12/6 on Fresno State at 75% shooting, 14/7/6 at 60% shooting on OregonSt, 27/11/9 on 58% shooting on Washington, 22/6/5/6steals as well as 20/9/5 on USC, 19/6/4 on Arizona, 17/11/7 on Colorado, 22/9/6 on ArizSt in 100% shooting. So he's got a lot of talent and he's flown under the radar a bit which is why he's going to hopefully be within our range unless he impresses more this year in his 2nd year and moves up. If he stays under the radar he could fall to the Lakers.

You may want to check him out. If Clarkson is a scoring point guard/shooting guard/combo guard, Wright is more of a pure point and both of them could be used effectively with each other or playing next to each other.

Just worth taking a look at. Particularly in the eve of Steve Nash's retirement.





1:04 to see him use his first step.

He's also from Los Angeles but that's beside the point =P I'm sure the Lakers have an eye on him but just in case some of you guys haven't seen him. He's also realistically gonna be within our range with Houston's pick. To me he'd be the best under the radar one we could make. If he plays like he played last year he's likely in the lottery though but if he stays under the radar he's a definite guy the Lakers should go after. He's a point guard built for what Byron Scott wants to run.


watch some of that, and you'll see why I think he'd be a steal for us if we get him with Houston's pick. He's flying under the radar so I hope he falls to us.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 8:28 am    Post subject:

It's not a strong PG class.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 10:21 am    Post subject:

Mike, if you had to predict, how much do you think Porzingis will develop this year? What do you think his chances are of being a top 5 pick?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 6:32 am    Post subject:

I feel like talent evaluators sometimes over think the draft trying to be creative with the picks to get credit for finding that diamond in the rough.

Clearly okafor needs to go number 1. As for our Hou pick, I doubt cauley stein will be available but I'd love to get him if he were there. Delon wright looks awesome too. I'd want one of those two.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 10:05 am    Post subject:

is oubre the prettiest top 5 prospect ever? y/n

deplorable for okaforable

frowns for towns

johnsons for johnson

edit: back with more-

ridiculous for ulis

bare-bones for jones

dirt for levert

foul for powell
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