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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 3:05 am    Post subject: Ever been annoyed by "I could care less?" Weird Al Yankovic music video



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 6:54 am    Post subject: Re: Ever been annoyed by "I could care less?" Weird Al Yankovic music video

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I've pointed out the problem with "I could care less" and gotten dumb looks from people.

Too many rogue scholars out there.

Sometimes people are just that dumb. Better grammar won't fix it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:02 am    Post subject:

For years I used "I couldn't care less". Then I read an article that supported "I could care less" as appropriate so I used that phrase for a little while. Now I just couldn't care less about it... or is it could care less?
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For years I used "I couldn't care less". Then I read an article that supported "I could care less" as appropriate so I used that phrase for a little while. Now I just couldn't care less about it... or is it could care less?

I don't see how "I could care less" is appropriate in the sentence that it most commonly used for (mistakenly).
If you could care less, that means you either care a little or you care a lot. There's is no reason why anyone should say that and mean it in its literal sense.
If you couldn't care less, it means that you care the least possible amount or you just don't care. This is the correct usage of the phrase.

And yes, I do care about the grammar. It bothers me that some English only speakers get their own grammar wrong while people with English as a second language don't.

Anyway, Good parody.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:32 am    Post subject:

Gotta give props to Al. He actually is a really damn good singer when singing other songs as well. Seriously legit.

Though I damn love his play on music.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 8:04 pm    Post subject:

I think people get too caught up on little things when they know damn well the message that person was trying to convey. My rule is, if the erroneous message doesn't confuse me and I can understand what that person is trying to say without thinking, then I leave it alone and move on with the conversation.

Not about to annoyingly pause a conversation to correct someone like this

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:25 pm    Post subject:



This one makes me want some Mexican.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:36 pm    Post subject:

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I think people get too caught up on little things when they know damn well the message that person was trying to convey. My rule is, if the erroneous message doesn't confuse me and I can understand what that person is trying to say without thinking, then I leave it alone and move on with the conversation.

Not about to annoyingly pause a conversation to correct someone like this


Spoken like a word criminal.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:37 pm    Post subject:

Incidentally, Weird Al is somehow the best and most meaningful pop artist of the last 10 years.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:56 pm    Post subject:

His Iggy Azalea parody on the new album is money. He's still got it.
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This immediately became one of my favorite all-time songs.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:59 am    Post subject:

I find the misuse of "less" versus "fewer" far more annoying than the "could care less" thing.
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paolomagma wrote:
LAkers 4 Life wrote:
For years I used "I couldn't care less". Then I read an article that supported "I could care less" as appropriate so I used that phrase for a little while. Now I just couldn't care less about it... or is it could care less?

I don't see how "I could care less" is appropriate in the sentence that it most commonly used for (mistakenly).
If you could care less, that means you either care a little or you care a lot. There's is no reason why anyone should say that and mean it in its literal sense.
If you couldn't care less, it means that you care the least possible amount or you just don't care. This is the correct usage of the phrase.

And yes, I do care about the grammar. It bothers me that some English only speakers get their own grammar wrong while people with English as a second language don't.

Anyway, Good parody.
actually people with english as their first language get their english wrong because its all about communication. people can change the meaning of something and if enough people run with it. it doesnt matter if its in your english professors books or not. its changed in the real world.

the only reason english as a 2nd language speakers can do a better job with english at times. is because you are only seeing a very small number of those people. if you go to another country. best believe..lol.. there are tons of people who dont technically speak that language the way its supposed to be spoken per the elites. There's a pattern and it has always been there. well off people speak the best in any and every nation. they speak "properly" , why do you guys think that is?

simply put, people with less dont have the same amt of time to nitpick that an elite does. Since a have not has to do more to have a little. So at the end of the day, as long as everyone around you no exactly what you meant. does it really matter? NOPE

language was developed for the purpose of better communication. Thats it and thats all. as long as you and those around you can understand, thats all that matters. no matter what a professor tells you. now if you want a better grade... ya better write and speak like the elites. If you want the elites to think you're one of them. you better write and speak like them. When in rome...
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:23 am    Post subject:

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paolomagma wrote:
LAkers 4 Life wrote:
For years I used "I couldn't care less". Then I read an article that supported "I could care less" as appropriate so I used that phrase for a little while. Now I just couldn't care less about it... or is it could care less?

I don't see how "I could care less" is appropriate in the sentence that it most commonly used for (mistakenly).
If you could care less, that means you either care a little or you care a lot. There's is no reason why anyone should say that and mean it in its literal sense.
If you couldn't care less, it means that you care the least possible amount or you just don't care. This is the correct usage of the phrase.

And yes, I do care about the grammar. It bothers me that some English only speakers get their own grammar wrong while people with English as a second language don't.

Anyway, Good parody.
actually people with english as their first language get their english wrong because its all about communication. people can change the meaning of something and if enough people run with it. it doesnt matter if its in your english professors books or not. its changed in the real world.

the only reason english as a 2nd language speakers can do a better job with english at times. is because you are only seeing a very small number of those people. if you go to another country. best believe..lol.. there are tons of people who dont technically speak that language the way its supposed to be spoken per the elites. There's a pattern and it has always been there. well off people speak the best in any and every nation. they speak "properly" , why do you guys think that is?

simply put, people with less dont have the same amt of time to nitpick that an elite does. Since a have not has to do more to have a little. So at the end of the day, as long as everyone around you no exactly what you meant. does it really matter? NOPE

language was developed for the purpose of better communication. Thats it and thats all. as long as you and those around you can understand, thats all that matters. no matter what a professor tells you. now if you want a better grade... ya better write and speak like the elites. If you want the elites to think you're one of them. you better write and speak like them. When in rome...


misuse of language obfuscates clear communication and causes confusion.

if you speak only one language, (many people speak more than one) the least you could do is make some effort to speak well.
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Weird Al is from the hood. Grew up on the Compton/Lynwood border behind the Compton Swapmeet.
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postandpivot wrote:
paolomagma wrote:
LAkers 4 Life wrote:
For years I used "I couldn't care less". Then I read an article that supported "I could care less" as appropriate so I used that phrase for a little while. Now I just couldn't care less about it... or is it could care less?

I don't see how "I could care less" is appropriate in the sentence that it most commonly used for (mistakenly).
If you could care less, that means you either care a little or you care a lot. There's is no reason why anyone should say that and mean it in its literal sense.
If you couldn't care less, it means that you care the least possible amount or you just don't care. This is the correct usage of the phrase.

And yes, I do care about the grammar. It bothers me that some English only speakers get their own grammar wrong while people with English as a second language don't.

Anyway, Good parody.
actually people with english as their first language get their english wrong because its all about communication. people can change the meaning of something and if enough people run with it. it doesnt matter if its in your english professors books or not. its changed in the real world.

the only reason english as a 2nd language speakers can do a better job with english at times. is because you are only seeing a very small number of those people. if you go to another country. best believe..lol.. there are tons of people who dont technically speak that language the way its supposed to be spoken per the elites. There's a pattern and it has always been there. well off people speak the best in any and every nation. they speak "properly" , why do you guys think that is?

simply put, people with less dont have the same amt of time to nitpick that an elite does. Since a have not has to do more to have a little. So at the end of the day, as long as everyone around you no exactly what you meant. does it really matter? NOPE

language was developed for the purpose of better communication. Thats it and thats all. as long as you and those around you can understand, thats all that matters. no matter what a professor tells you. now if you want a better grade... ya better write and speak like the elites. If you want the elites to think you're one of them. you better write and speak like them. When in rome...


^Breathing example of what happens when people bastardize language.
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postandpivot wrote:
paolomagma wrote:
LAkers 4 Life wrote:
For years I used "I couldn't care less". Then I read an article that supported "I could care less" as appropriate so I used that phrase for a little while. Now I just couldn't care less about it... or is it could care less?

I don't see how "I could care less" is appropriate in the sentence that it most commonly used for (mistakenly).
If you could care less, that means you either care a little or you care a lot. There's is no reason why anyone should say that and mean it in its literal sense.
If you couldn't care less, it means that you care the least possible amount or you just don't care. This is the correct usage of the phrase.

And yes, I do care about the grammar. It bothers me that some English only speakers get their own grammar wrong while people with English as a second language don't.

Anyway, Good parody.
actually people with english as their first language get their english wrong because its all about communication. people can change the meaning of something and if enough people run with it. it doesnt matter if its in your english professors books or not. its changed in the real world.

the only reason english as a 2nd language speakers can do a better job with english at times. is because you are only seeing a very small number of those people. if you go to another country. best believe..lol.. there are tons of people who dont technically speak that language the way its supposed to be spoken per the elites. There's a pattern and it has always been there. well off people speak the best in any and every nation. they speak "properly" , why do you guys think that is?

simply put, people with less dont have the same amt of time to nitpick that an elite does. Since a have not has to do more to have a little. So at the end of the day, as long as everyone around you no exactly what you meant. does it really matter? NOPE

language was developed for the purpose of better communication. Thats it and thats all. as long as you and those around you can understand, thats all that matters. no matter what a professor tells you. now if you want a better grade... ya better write and speak like the elites. If you want the elites to think you're one of them. you better write and speak like them. When in rome...


^Breathing example of what happens when people bastardize language.


You mean murder the language. As in heinously, callously and with embarrassing amounts of sloppiness.
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Weird Al is from the hood. Grew up on the Compton/Lynwood border behind the Compton Swapmeet.


Iirc, his parents died of carbon monoxide poisoning in their home. That's just unreal devastation. I don't know if Al has ever discussed it.
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Weird Al is from the hood. Grew up on the Compton/Lynwood border behind the Compton Swapmeet.


Iirc, his parents died of carbon monoxide poisoning in their home. That's just unreal devastation. I don't know if Al has ever discussed it.


Yeah, he talked about it on Marc Maron's podcast around 1:02:00

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shnxx wrote:
postandpivot wrote:
paolomagma wrote:
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For years I used "I couldn't care less". Then I read an article that supported "I could care less" as appropriate so I used that phrase for a little while. Now I just couldn't care less about it... or is it could care less?

I don't see how "I could care less" is appropriate in the sentence that it most commonly used for (mistakenly).
If you could care less, that means you either care a little or you care a lot. There's is no reason why anyone should say that and mean it in its literal sense.
If you couldn't care less, it means that you care the least possible amount or you just don't care. This is the correct usage of the phrase.

And yes, I do care about the grammar. It bothers me that some English only speakers get their own grammar wrong while people with English as a second language don't.

Anyway, Good parody.
actually people with english as their first language get their english wrong because its all about communication. people can change the meaning of something and if enough people run with it. it doesnt matter if its in your english professors books or not. its changed in the real world.

the only reason english as a 2nd language speakers can do a better job with english at times. is because you are only seeing a very small number of those people. if you go to another country. best believe..lol.. there are tons of people who dont technically speak that language the way its supposed to be spoken per the elites. There's a pattern and it has always been there. well off people speak the best in any and every nation. they speak "properly" , why do you guys think that is?

simply put, people with less dont have the same amt of time to nitpick that an elite does. Since a have not has to do more to have a little. So at the end of the day, as long as everyone around you no exactly what you meant. does it really matter? NOPE

language was developed for the purpose of better communication. Thats it and thats all. as long as you and those around you can understand, thats all that matters. no matter what a professor tells you. now if you want a better grade... ya better write and speak like the elites. If you want the elites to think you're one of them. you better write and speak like them. When in rome...


misuse of language obfuscates clear communication and causes confusion.

if you speak only one language, (many people speak more than one) the least you could do is make some effort to speak well.
wrong. just because people speak multiple languages it doesnt mean they speak them all WELL on an elite level. so lets start there first.

#2. if you understand what a person is saying. then communication is working like its supposed to. the only time someone needs to watch what they say is when they are speaking to a person(audience) that doesnt understand what they are sayin.

i'll ask, when you heard someone say "I could care less" did you not know what they were implying? of course you did. which is why you knew they were using it incorrectly. if you didnt know what they were implying. you would not have known they were using it incorrectly. there's a way to use that and actually mean what you said. But you knew exactly what that person was saying when they used that phrase. and this is my point . just because you would LIKE people to speak on an ELITE level. doesnt mean they have to in order to communicate.
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C M B wrote:
postandpivot wrote:
paolomagma wrote:
LAkers 4 Life wrote:
For years I used "I couldn't care less". Then I read an article that supported "I could care less" as appropriate so I used that phrase for a little while. Now I just couldn't care less about it... or is it could care less?

I don't see how "I could care less" is appropriate in the sentence that it most commonly used for (mistakenly).
If you could care less, that means you either care a little or you care a lot. There's is no reason why anyone should say that and mean it in its literal sense.
If you couldn't care less, it means that you care the least possible amount or you just don't care. This is the correct usage of the phrase.

And yes, I do care about the grammar. It bothers me that some English only speakers get their own grammar wrong while people with English as a second language don't.

Anyway, Good parody.
actually people with english as their first language get their english wrong because its all about communication. people can change the meaning of something and if enough people run with it. it doesnt matter if its in your english professors books or not. its changed in the real world.

the only reason english as a 2nd language speakers can do a better job with english at times. is because you are only seeing a very small number of those people. if you go to another country. best believe..lol.. there are tons of people who dont technically speak that language the way its supposed to be spoken per the elites. There's a pattern and it has always been there. well off people speak the best in any and every nation. they speak "properly" , why do you guys think that is?

simply put, people with less dont have the same amt of time to nitpick that an elite does. Since a have not has to do more to have a little. So at the end of the day, as long as everyone around you no exactly what you meant. does it really matter? NOPE

language was developed for the purpose of better communication. Thats it and thats all. as long as you and those around you can understand, thats all that matters. no matter what a professor tells you. now if you want a better grade... ya better write and speak like the elites. If you want the elites to think you're one of them. you better write and speak like them. When in rome...


^Breathing example of what happens when people bastardize language.


You mean murder the language. As in heinously, callously and with embarrassing amounts of sloppiness.
yet both of you always know exactly what i'm saying. which makes my point. thank you very much.
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