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bandiger
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| Black Salt wrote: | | Kobe of 2006 and Phil coaching this team, with health, yes, they would have had a shot. |
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Jellojigglin
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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First Team
Nash\Bryant
Davis\Boozer\Hill
Second Team
Lin\Henry
Young\Randle\Sacre
Bench:Clarkson,Kelly
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Point Guards
7 Jeremy Lin PG 26 6-3 200 Harvard (Starter)
5 Jordan Clarkson PG 22 6-5 193 Missouri
Steve Nash PG
Shooting Guards
24 Kobe Bryant SG 35 6-6 205 (Starter)
Small Forwards
0 Nick Young SF 29 6-7 210 USC (Starter)
Xavier Henry
Power Forwards
4 Ryan Kelly PF 23 6-11 230 Duke
30 Julius Randle PF 19 6-9 250 Kentucky
00 Ed Davis PF 25 6-10 225 North Carolina
00 Carlos Boozer PF 33 6-9 266 Duke (Starter)
Centers
50 Robert Sacre C 25 7-0 260 Gonzaga
27 Jordan Hill PF/C 26 6-10 235 Arizona (Starter)
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postandpivot
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 1:34 pm Post subject: Re: Where does the Mamba rank if he gets a ring this year? |
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| Jellojigglin wrote: | If Mamba wins this year, how high does his stock soar? I would say above Lebron, KD or Jordan if he wins it all.
First Team
Lin\Bryant
Young\Boozer\Hill
Second Team
Marshall\Clarkson
Randle\Davis\Sacre
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Point Guards
7 Jeremy Lin PG 26 6-3 200 Harvard (Starter)
5 Jordan Clarkson PG 22 6-5 193 Missouri
12 Kendall Marshall PG 22 6-4 195 North Carolina
Shooting Guards
24 Kobe Bryant SG 35 6-6 205 (Starter)
Small Forwards
0 Nick Young SF 29 6-7 210 USC (Starter)
Power Forwards
4 Ryan Kelly PF 23 6-11 230 Duke
30 Julius Randle PF 19 6-9 250 Kentucky
00 Ed Davis PF 25 6-10 225 North Carolina
00 Carlos Boozer PF 33 6-9 266 Duke (Starter)
Centers
50 Robert Sacre C 25 7-0 260 Gonzaga
27 Jordan Hill PF/C 26 6-10 235 Arizona (Starter)
Looks like 11 players to me that are fixed, most likely additions? Steve Nash (not getting dumped), Xavier Henry, Tompkins, Woolridge Jr. or Rodrique Beabouis.
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he will go down like hakeem should've gone down after winning with that team full of role players and just him. kobe should go down as the greatest to ever lace em up if he wins with this team. its that simple.
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ppineda
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| DJ Slik wrote: | Mamba is #2 right now and would remain #2 if he won it all this year. He needs 7 to best MJ because he IS the MJ redux and the original always gets the nod. I don't understand how anyone could have Lebron rated higher RIGHT NOW. He's had too many warm blooded moments.
Unfortunately, the chances of him winning it all this year is practically nil anyways. |
The much more likely scenario is, if Duncan gets his 6th ring, does Duncan go above Kobe? |
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GigaPaladin
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Jellojigglin wrote: | First Team
Nash\Bryant
Davis\Boozer\Hill
Second Team
Lin\Henry
Young\Randle\Sacre
Bench:Clarkson,Kelly
--ROSTER--
Point Guards
7 Jeremy Lin PG 26 6-3 200 Harvard (Starter)
5 Jordan Clarkson PG 22 6-5 193 Missouri
Steve Nash PG
Shooting Guards
24 Kobe Bryant SG 35 6-6 205 (Starter)
Small Forwards
0 Nick Young SF 29 6-7 210 USC (Starter)
Xavier Henry
Power Forwards
4 Ryan Kelly PF 23 6-11 230 Duke
30 Julius Randle PF 19 6-9 250 Kentucky
00 Ed Davis PF 25 6-10 225 North Carolina
00 Carlos Boozer PF 33 6-9 266 Duke (Starter)
Centers
50 Robert Sacre C 25 7-0 260 Gonzaga
27 Jordan Hill PF/C 26 6-10 235 Arizona (Starter)
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Lol at Nash ahead of Lin and 3 power forwards on the first team and still none of them being randle |
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NYClakerguy
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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| ppineda wrote: | | DJ Slik wrote: | Mamba is #2 right now and would remain #2 if he won it all this year. He needs 7 to best MJ because he IS the MJ redux and the original always gets the nod. I don't understand how anyone could have Lebron rated higher RIGHT NOW. He's had too many warm blooded moments.
Unfortunately, the chances of him winning it all this year is practically nil anyways. |
The much more likely scenario is, if Duncan gets his 6th ring, does Duncan go above Kobe? |
I think so. He's the best ever in his position. Been a solid anchor for that franchise since his was drafted. Multiple MVPs, finals MVPs, and the most fundamentally sound big man in the last 2 decades. |
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asalazar18
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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| #1 for sure becuz it would take an act of god for him to drag this team to the finals. |
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| _#1_ wrote: | | Jordan? Foregt Jordan. Win a ring with this bunch he is just below God. |
THIS!
If you win a ring with THIS roster, then damn what people say about Father Time and DAMN what people say about Michael Jordan. Jordan NEVER EVER EVER in his years of winning, had a team THIS god awful
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Fruscas
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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| asalazar18 wrote: | | #1 for sure becuz it would take an act of god for him to drag this team to the finals. |
pretty much |
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KobeBryantCliffordBrown
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Rivershow wrote: | | deal wrote: | | Jellojigglin wrote: | | EddieJonesss wrote: | | deal wrote: | | This is something you don't have to worry about; he's not getting a ring. |
Come on now... let the man have his wet dream for the duration of this thread. |
I'm just saying don't sleep on the Mamba. |
Jello, this is a five man game, Kobe proved pre Pau he could not drag a mediocre team to win. An older, post injury Kobe will not either; brain storm if you will but it's not happening. |
I don't think this team is as mediocre as some of you are saying. Definitely not pre-pau bad. |
People forget how good that 2007-2008 team was before Pau. If memory serves me correct, they were something like 28-13 or so. I know that Bynum had gone down and would be basically lost for the season, but that team with a healthy Bynum, before Pau, was a contender.
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kwase
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Somewhere between Ghandi and the Pope...not gonna happen!!! |
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kwase
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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| bandiger wrote: | | Black Salt wrote: | | Kobe of 2006 and Phil coaching this team, with health, yes, they would have had a shot. |
Agree |
Kobe of 2012-2013 with Phil coaching would have a shot too! |
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Dwarf Nebula
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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| It would cement his legacy as a top 3 player. He would pass Magic as the all time greatest Laker. Unfortunately, it's not gonna happen. |
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Dwarf Nebula
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:30 pm Post subject: Re: Where does the Mamba rank if he gets a ring this year? |
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| postandpivot wrote: | | Jellojigglin wrote: | If Mamba wins this year, how high does his stock soar? I would say above Lebron, KD or Jordan if he wins it all.
First Team
Lin\Bryant
Young\Boozer\Hill
Second Team
Marshall\Clarkson
Randle\Davis\Sacre
--ROSTER--
Point Guards
7 Jeremy Lin PG 26 6-3 200 Harvard (Starter)
5 Jordan Clarkson PG 22 6-5 193 Missouri
12 Kendall Marshall PG 22 6-4 195 North Carolina
Shooting Guards
24 Kobe Bryant SG 35 6-6 205 (Starter)
Small Forwards
0 Nick Young SF 29 6-7 210 USC (Starter)
Power Forwards
4 Ryan Kelly PF 23 6-11 230 Duke
30 Julius Randle PF 19 6-9 250 Kentucky
00 Ed Davis PF 25 6-10 225 North Carolina
00 Carlos Boozer PF 33 6-9 266 Duke (Starter)
Centers
50 Robert Sacre C 25 7-0 260 Gonzaga
27 Jordan Hill PF/C 26 6-10 235 Arizona (Starter)
Looks like 11 players to me that are fixed, most likely additions? Steve Nash (not getting dumped), Xavier Henry, Tompkins, Woolridge Jr. or Rodrique Beabouis.
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he will go down like hakeem should've gone down after winning with that team full of role players and just him. kobe should go down as the greatest to ever lace em up if he wins with this team. its that simple. |
What? First off, he didn't win with a bunch of scrubs. Kenny Smith and Sam Casell were solid and they had serviceable forwards. He also got to play alongside Ralph Sampson and didn't win with him. He also won in a year when the real best team took a year off. Hakeem was great but he wasn't legendary in his day. For some reason he seems to get better and better the more time passes. It seems he gets better and guys like Bill Russel get worse. Go figure. |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Lebron will still be better |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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Unquestionably the greatest Laker ever, and arguably the greatest player ever (the argument against coming from Stat geeks aka ESPN).
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Daikatana
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Lin_Stan wrote: | | EddieJonesss wrote: | | Nightwalker wrote: | | Most people have Kobe ranked in that 4-9 range all-time which sounds about right. |
What, pray tell, are 8 players that you can rank in front of Kobe? |
I would say all of these players can be re-arranged in any order in the top 5 or so spots, depending on your take on era-to-era comparisons and player positions.
MJ
Wilt
Kareem
Shaq
Magic
Bird
Russell
Kobe
Duncan
If LeBron continues to make finals appearances, put up his current stats, and win another title + FMVP with Cleveland I'd say he'd join the conversation. |
He is generally above these guys..
Bird? 3, Shaq? 4, Duncan? Never repeated or three-peated
All those other guys, depending who you talk to, will be GOAT.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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| ppineda wrote: | | DJ Slik wrote: | Mamba is #2 right now and would remain #2 if he won it all this year. He needs 7 to best MJ because he IS the MJ redux and the original always gets the nod. I don't understand how anyone could have Lebron rated higher RIGHT NOW. He's had too many warm blooded moments.
Unfortunately, the chances of him winning it all this year is practically nil anyways. |
The much more likely scenario is, if Duncan gets his 6th ring, does Duncan go above Kobe? |
Most of the bball people rate Kobe, Shaq, TD (in various different orders) as the 7,8,9 best players of all time..
so, yeah - I think it'd be a pretty safe bet that TD winning another ring probably nails down that 7th spot for him and Kobe/Shaq are then contesting 8/9th
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lakersboy
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| Right up there with A-Rod. |
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Nightwalker
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| Laker_Town wrote: | | Lebron will still be better |
How is Lebron already ranked above Kobe? Please explain. Are you saying if Kobe wins NBA title next year he still isn't better than Lebron?  |
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postandpivot
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 5:38 am Post subject: Re: Where does the Mamba rank if he gets a ring this year? |
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| Dwarf Nebula wrote: | | postandpivot wrote: | | Jellojigglin wrote: | If Mamba wins this year, how high does his stock soar? I would say above Lebron, KD or Jordan if he wins it all.
First Team
Lin\Bryant
Young\Boozer\Hill
Second Team
Marshall\Clarkson
Randle\Davis\Sacre
--ROSTER--
Point Guards
7 Jeremy Lin PG 26 6-3 200 Harvard (Starter)
5 Jordan Clarkson PG 22 6-5 193 Missouri
12 Kendall Marshall PG 22 6-4 195 North Carolina
Shooting Guards
24 Kobe Bryant SG 35 6-6 205 (Starter)
Small Forwards
0 Nick Young SF 29 6-7 210 USC (Starter)
Power Forwards
4 Ryan Kelly PF 23 6-11 230 Duke
30 Julius Randle PF 19 6-9 250 Kentucky
00 Ed Davis PF 25 6-10 225 North Carolina
00 Carlos Boozer PF 33 6-9 266 Duke (Starter)
Centers
50 Robert Sacre C 25 7-0 260 Gonzaga
27 Jordan Hill PF/C 26 6-10 235 Arizona (Starter)
Looks like 11 players to me that are fixed, most likely additions? Steve Nash (not getting dumped), Xavier Henry, Tompkins, Woolridge Jr. or Rodrique Beabouis.
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he will go down like hakeem should've gone down after winning with that team full of role players and just him. kobe should go down as the greatest to ever lace em up if he wins with this team. its that simple. |
What? First off, he didn't win with a bunch of scrubs. Kenny Smith and Sam Casell were solid and they had serviceable forwards. He also got to play alongside Ralph Sampson and didn't win with him. He also won in a year when the real best team took a year off. Hakeem was great but he wasn't legendary in his day. For some reason he seems to get better and better the more time passes. It seems he gets better and guys like Bill Russel get worse. Go figure. |
and this laker team isnt a bunch of scrubs.
name me the SCRUBS on this team?
sacre.....
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exatly
the rest of the guy are solid guys
swaggy p is as good as kenny or mario elie, if xavier pans out he could actually be solid like mario elie.solid defender, pretty good consistent scorer that coudl hit the 3 when needed.
cassell was ultra clutch. a combination of Lin and nash could = sam
a young horry = julius randle. then we still have boozer.
kobe is hakeem.
so yes if kobe wins with this team. he will be hakeem. basically winning with a non 2nd or 3rd star cast. he should therefore go down as the GOAT no questions asked.
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Illusions Johnson
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I think some are downplaying what a feat it would be to win with this team. Anything is possible, but this isn't a team built to win now.
I have him as the third best Laker ever and I don't think a championship would change that, but if they win, it will probably be in a much more spectacular fashion than I can imagine and I might reconsider after actually experiencing it. Or it could be the opposite, where Kobe reduces his role and enables other players to do what we didn't know they were capable of.
As of now, I rate them:
Jordan
Russell
Magic
Kareem
Bird
Wilt
...and then fill it out with Duncan, Kobe, Shaquille and Hakeem in some order. |
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Staying true to the topic of winning rings, and not being based on his talent, Kobe would rank among the top 15 players with 6 rings or more in the NBA.
His ranking at number 10 would tie him with the following players:
Jordan 6
Pippen 6
Kareem 6
Bob Cousy 6
Robert Horry has 7 rings and no one seems to ever mention his name with the other more talented players on this list, but he still and always will have 7 rings. We could have the age old discussion of they played in different era's or the one where is was 15 teams in the league in that era, but the NBA history book doesn't rank greatness based on talent, only on how many fingers those rings can cover. So does that mean Bill Russell has a toe ring  |
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33_Straight
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Staying true to the topic of winning rings, and not being based on his talent, Kobe would rank among the top 15 players with 6 rings or more in the NBA.
His ranking at number 10 would tie him with the following players:
Jordan 6
Pippen 6
Kareem 6
Bob Cousy 6
Robert Horry has 7 rings and no one seems to ever mention his name with the other more talented players on this list, but he still and always will have 7 rings. We could have the age old discussion of they played in different era's or the one where is was 15 teams in the league in that era, but the NBA history book doesn't rank greatness based on talent, only on how many fingers those rings can cover. So does that mean Bill Russell has a toe ring |
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Black Salt
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Shaq and Kobe's two Finals losses changed everything for them.
What separates Jordan from everyone else, that not many people talk about enough is 6-0. two 3-peats. 6 Finals MVPs. The reason why Joe Montana always has the upper hand over the Elways, Unitas' and brady's, is 4-0 in the Super Bowl, 3 mvps and 11 TDs and 0 INTS.
Imagine if Shaq had gone 6-0 in the finals. He would have won championships with 3 different teams and more than likely have 5 Finals MVPs.
Had Kobe gone 7-0 in the finals, 2 3-peats, 4 out of 5 titles. He would be a 3 time Finals MVP, would have beaten the Celtics twice and would have pushed the Lakers to the top spot in titles.
In Shaq and Kobe's two finals losses each, their teams were the favorite. So you cant say it was a Lebron in 2007 thing or AI in 2001.
I have said many times, had Shaq won all 6 of his finals appearances, I felt he would be #1 all time at the center position. No worse than two with Kareem being #1.
Kobe, would have undoubtedly be #2 AT WORST and in the top 5 had he gone 7-0.
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