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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:41 pm    Post subject:

If you move Randle to the 3 his face up game will be less effective, but he'll benefit from posting up smaller players. Randle will man handle the likes of players like if you feed him in the post/mid-post:
Rudy Gay
Harrison Barnes
Luol Deng
Paul Millsap
Maurice Harkless
Andre Iguodala
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:45 pm    Post subject:

At least one of our PF's will be traded before the deadline.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:52 pm    Post subject:

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Also kobe needs another legit creator who can get his own shot and I def think randle has that ability.


I thought the same thing before seeing him in summer league. Randle penetrates well for a power forward, but that's all I've seen him do offensively.

But hey Blake Griffin was the same way his first couple years in the league, and he was still a "legit creator". Maybe you're right.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:56 pm    Post subject:

I explained why hill over davis and randle over boozer on the previous page.

However, another thing to consider, randle and hill together would absolutely obliterate teams in the paint. Hill has post moves and we all know once he spins and drop steps you, he's smashing on your head. Randle is equally as relentless if not moreso in going right at your body in the paint. Ooooo weee can hardly wait!
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 12:04 am    Post subject:

Lin,Clarkson,Kobe,Randle,Hill will be the most likely starting 5 opening day.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 12:05 am    Post subject:

^^ That does sound exciting. Reminds me of how physical Monroe and Drummond were in Detroit past years. Except we have good passers in kobe and lin to set them up, unlike Detroit.

All that said I think Boozer is gonna have an up year this year. 15+ PPG if he starts. Second best scorer on the team depending on how Lin is used.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 12:05 am    Post subject:

kikanga wrote:
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Also kobe needs another legit creator who can get his own shot and I def think randle has that ability.


I thought the same thing before seeing him in summer league. Randle penetrates well for a power forward, but that's all I've seen him do offensively.

But hey Blake Griffin was the same way his first couple years in the league, and he was still a "legit creator". Maybe you're right.


Yeah. I mean hes not like a triple threat or anything that can pick you apart, but what he can do, he does well. He's going to take it to you and get either fouled or an attempt close to the bucket. He may not have many different types of shots he can get, but the shot he does have, he can get very often and not a lot of players have that ability. And the ones that do usually make it far in the nba just due to being able to have such a go to move to get their own.

Of course I'm comparing to greats whom had vast arsenals but kareem sky hook, kobe fadeaway, dirk fade, aldridge fade...just some examples of the Worth of having that go to move
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 1:38 am    Post subject:

greenfrog wrote:
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Davis can't handle most center, just not enough strength.

So Hill will be a better starting center.

Randle is definitely better than Boozer,

but his style of play might fit well with the 2nd unit.

Boozer can play well with Kobe and Lin.


yeah, i can see that. particularly if they don't think he's ready to play in the post, he can do the point forward stuff off the bench.


If Boozer/Hill start, I actually like the offense the bench could put together. Young and Randle are solid options, but what if Nash can still actually play 12 min's a game with them? Imagine him setting up Randle on a P&R or letting Young create? Regardless of Nash, or any other PG Randle and Young would be some threats off the bench.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 6:19 am    Post subject:

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Ed Davis over Hill and Randle over Boozer. Randle is way more talented and athletic than boozer. He deserves a starting spot as a rookie.


What's wrong with letting Randle PROVE he deserves the starting spot? Love LG.

So when Kobe came into his 2nd year and was clearly better than Eddie Jones, how come Kobe didn't get the starting gig?


Yeah, I keep passing Rivershow posts and they're all quite pro-Randle. He likes the pick, evidently.

Worthy... 1st pick of draft... had to prove himself against Rambis(!) and what's more, James admits that Kurt initially busted him in practice and such(!1).
against rambis, not a scrub like boozer.


against rambis(!1), not a scrub like boozer...
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 6:22 am    Post subject:

Sacre will start at Center.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 11:52 am    Post subject:

I see this situation being similar to how they handle rookie QBs in the NFL. Boozer is not a long term solution he is a stop gap. Randle showed he has some big time talent and potential but he still needs alot of work in areas and is not ready to log 30 minutes a night as a starter. However that doesn't mean he can't be ready down the line this season. If he is ready to start then start him for sure but through practice he needs to learn to adjust to playing against bigger bigs every night hopefully boozer is up for the mentor if anybody could teach hill how to make it as an undersized big it would be boozer.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 12:19 pm    Post subject:

kfkilla wrote:
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watchME wrote:
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Ed Davis over Hill and Randle over Boozer. Randle is way more talented and athletic than boozer. He deserves a starting spot as a rookie.


What's wrong with letting Randle PROVE he deserves the starting spot? Love LG.

So when Kobe came into his 2nd year and was clearly better than Eddie Jones, how come Kobe didn't get the starting gig?


kobe went into a championship team.


Is that right? So Kobe's rookie season was 1996 and the Lakers won a ring in 2000. Hmmmm


Dude your argument is brittle. Kobe went to a team:

1. That had just went to the second round of the playoffs

2. Had just signed a 24 year old beast that was the equivalent of Blake Griffin + 100 lbs and 5 inches and even more explosive if that seems possible.

3. Had a fringe all star point guard in NVE

4. Had a fringe all star SHOOTING GUARD in Eddie Jones

5. Had a actual all star small forward in ceballos


That team was stacked and had 4 all stars the next year. We just faced prime Stockton and Malone.

Weak sauce argument bro. Randle I'd like Kobe joining the 93 Lakers not the 96 Lakers. Kobe would start ahead of Reggie freaking Jordan!


It is about the idea of "giving" a rookie a starting job w/o having to earn the starting job.

That is what we are debating. Don't worry, you will see Boozer start on opening night and I will be sure to remind you of this "weak argument".
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 5:33 am    Post subject:

Whether or not Randle deserves the starting spot, whatever that means, it is hard to correct/coach his habits if he gets starter-level playing time regardless of his play. Developing young players doesn't mean just throwing minutes at them.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 6:14 am    Post subject:

I know very little about Davis, so I can't comment about him in an educated way.

I just can't wait to see Randle and Hill in the same lineup, two rebounding machines with motors that have no imit. Boozer will be the veteran influence that will no longer have to live up to a huge contract, he can just play steady ball and teach the younger players how to be pros.

I really love rebounding, so I'm looking forward to watching the new front line of the Lakers .
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:18 pm    Post subject:

We will start Boozer and Hill, no question. But hope to see a lot of Randle especially if this team doesn't contend. (It won't)
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:25 pm    Post subject:

Anyone else worried about Randle's foot issues?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:30 pm    Post subject:

Scott loves Hill so Hill starts over Davis, not to mention Hill is a better player period. Randle and Boozer split the PF spot. That's the rotation:

Hill 28-32 minutes
Davis 16-20 minutes
Randle and Boozer probably split 24 minutes, give or take 4-5 minutes.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:28 pm    Post subject:

LostPuppy wrote:
If you move Randle to the 3 his face up game will be less effective, but he'll benefit from posting up smaller players. Randle will man handle the likes of players like if you feed him in the post/mid-post:
Rudy Gay
Harrison Barnes
Luol Deng
Paul Millsap
Maurice Harkless
Andre Iguodala
Jeff Green
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Chandler Parsons
Nicolas Batum
Evan Turner



we have to go with Kelly or wesley johnson at PF for that to work. otherwise the pant will be clogged. need shooters for that to work so probably wont happen and randle cant shoot yet.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 7:18 pm    Post subject:

Jackobe wrote:
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How is Randle on defense.


I think he is solid. He is strong, quick and athletic....just doesn't have long arms to be a shot blocker.


Ed Davis is supposed to be a shot blocker and he has a 7ft wingspan. The same as Randle.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 7:18 pm    Post subject:

At this point Randle looks more like Dejuan Blair than Paul Millsap who is, what I consider to be his upside if all things pan out. Nice, player but franchise player not so much.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 7:21 pm    Post subject:

Cha*n wrote:
Anyone else worried about Randle's foot issues?


If the best foot specialist in the country isn't worried about it, why are you?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 7:26 pm    Post subject:

ExPatLkrFan wrote:
At this point Randle looks more like Dejuan Blair than Paul Millsap who is, what I consider to be his upside if all things pan out. Nice, player but franchise player not so much.

he's play nothing like Blair come on now & wait till he plays a game first before you start to predict his career smh
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 7:31 pm    Post subject:

Randle at the 3?.... ... ...
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 7:33 pm    Post subject:

Cha*n wrote:
Anyone else worried about Randle's foot issues?


Since there is no issue, no.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 7:35 pm    Post subject:

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Randle at the 3?.... ... ...


He could see some minutes there.
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