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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:27 pm    Post subject:

of course he is a PF....

He is 6-10.

Not enough foot speed to guard most SFs.

Not strong enough to guard Cs.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:28 pm    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:31 pm    Post subject: Re: What's Ryan Kelly's real position?

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Dude looks like a small forward one min then a center the next. His passing is very good.


He doesn't really have one. He's not a small forward by any means, and he's so over matched at center (even in the modern, largely center-less era) that he's not one of those, either.

I guess he's what we've recently decided to call a "stretch four." A big man who isn't big enough to really do true paint stuff but rangy and athletic enough to cause match-up problems for traditional bigs.

He's a good passer, a good shooter (and I expect his three-point shooting will only improve as his career wears on), has fair handles with decent hops/general athleticism. The downside is that he also doesn't have enough in his back pocket to really defend/box out traditional big men.

I guess these types used to be called "tweeners," but in the parlance of our times he's a "stretch four."
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:45 pm    Post subject: Re: What's Ryan Kelly's real position?

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Dude looks like a small forward one min then a center the next. His passing is very good.


He doesn't really have one. He's not a small forward by any means, and he's so over matched at center (even in the modern, largely center-less era) that he's not one of those, either.

I guess he's what we've recently decided to call a "stretch four." A big man who isn't big enough to really do true paint stuff but rangy and athletic enough to cause match-up problems for traditional bigs.

He's a good passer, a good shooter (and I expect his three-point shooting will only improve as his career wears on), has fair handles with decent hops/general athleticism. The downside is that he also doesn't have enough in his back pocket to really defend/box out traditional big men.

I guess these types used to be called "tweeners," but in the parlance of our times he's a "stretch four."


This team has some talent but it's gonna be hard to find mins for him.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:52 pm    Post subject:

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Reminds me of Kevin Mchale, nowhere as talented yet, but hopefully he will get there.


I must have missed out on the 3 pt shooting McHale.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:57 pm    Post subject:

Great news, would love to have Kelly as a long time Laker. Great potential
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 12:06 am    Post subject:

One comparison could be Boris Diaw. Most of the skill sets tell us he is a perimeter guy but has the length to be a PF. He has a better shooting stroke than Diaw but both create a lot of matchup problems because majority of PFs in the league have no clue how to guard a big who can shoot 3s and pass brilliantly whether facing the basket or posting up.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 12:09 am    Post subject:

Backup forward
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 12:12 am    Post subject: Re: What's Ryan Kelly's real position?

Car54 wrote:

This team has some talent but it's gonna be hard to find mins for him.


That's a good point. If it were just him and Randle (with Hill/Davis as alternates in big lineups) he'd be guaranteed some good minutes. Boozer complicates matters a bit, but probably in a good way since he's still a pretty effective NBA power forward.

I'm not really sure where his minutes will come from, but I like his game enough to think he's going to carve out some sort of niche for himself.

That said, Randle absolutely must get priority minutes. I think he might be a bit overrated here on LG (and probably pretty underrated elsewhere), but there's definitely something to his game.

The length-of-the-court dribble + Magic Johnson no-look-pass to Trey Thompkins the other night was a jaw dropper.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 12:49 am    Post subject:

He reminds me of a reallly tall shooting gaurd
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 12:58 am    Post subject:

Don't be fooled by MDAs quirky matchup selection, he is a PF through and through.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 5:41 am    Post subject:

nashftw wrote:
One comparison could be Boris Diaw. Most of the skill sets tell us he is a perimeter guy but has the length to be a PF. He has a better shooting stroke than Diaw but both create a lot of matchup problems because majority of PFs in the league have no clue how to guard a big who can shoot 3s and pass brilliantly whether facing the basket or posting up.


I was thinking Diaw as well. He played 3-5 in phx.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 5:51 am    Post subject:

He's got SF skills in PF height. PF is the best spot considering the footspeed.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 5:56 am    Post subject:

He's obviously a 4.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 6:15 am    Post subject:

He'd be a good point forward I think.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 6:53 am    Post subject:

Well he has the foot speed to cover some SF, and is tall enough to guard some C. But really is a 4.

I don't understand people saying he is 6'10.

here are his draft measurement


Height w/shoes Weight Wingspan Standing Reach
6' 11.75" 228 6' 11.5" 9' 2"

That's pretty good, he has the same standing reach as Al Jefferson, Marcin Gortat and Nerlens Noel.

If he bulks up he could be a center. Also last year he showed flashes of being able to guard the 3 spot.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:03 am    Post subject:

Jackobe wrote:
of course he is a PF....

He is 6-10.

Not enough foot speed to guard most SFs.

Not strong enough to guard Cs.



This !
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:21 am    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:22 am    Post subject:

Watching highlights, reminded me a little of Big shot Rob. Like him and he could get better , still young.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:46 am    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
He's got SF skills in PF height. PF is the best spot considering the footspeed.


I think, at 6'11 230, he can play some C too. He has underrated length and athleticism, and is a bit of a shot blocker when allowed to play defense in the paint. I think he's a PF/C personally. The same position as Dirk Nowitzki, which is his best and most obvious comp IMO.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 10:29 am    Post subject:

i would like to know the details of his contract.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 10:57 am    Post subject:

Let the triple PF attack commence!
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 11:12 am    Post subject:

epak wrote:
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Reminds me of Kevin Mchale, nowhere as talented yet, but hopefully he will get there.


I must have missed out on the 3 pt shooting McHale.


The only thing R. Kelly has in common with McHale is that they're both white.

Lets dial it back and shoot for him developing into a poor man's Ryan Anderson.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 12:20 pm    Post subject:

I see him as a watered down gasol in all of ways. Range on his shot excellent passer for a big man. High b-ball IQ. Maybe he could hit the weights add some lean mass and strength to pls center. But I see him becoming one of those long time role players for us.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:20 pm    Post subject:

Glad to see my favorite player (besides Kobe) return. I can't wait to see him develop some more.
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