Joined: 23 Jun 2005 Posts: 8488 Location: The (real) short corner
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 1:43 am Post subject:
Chronicle wrote:
From the videos, I have a hard time seeing Nick Young fit in that offense
Nick Young played his first two years in the league under Eddie Jordan running the Princeton, and was pretty efficient in limited minutes, especially for a rookie.
Byron Scott is an experienced coach.
My expectation, Byron Scott will:
1. Build up his coaching staff.
2. Evaluate his talent pool.
3. Formulate approach(es) and prioritize the sequence.
4. Test and regroup.
I don't think it will strictly Princeton offense per sec but a version or a variation with some emphasis on defense.
The question is can he get it done in one training camp with our current players?
Joined: 23 Jun 2005 Posts: 8488 Location: The (real) short corner
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:24 am Post subject:
Mike@LG wrote:
Jackobe wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
http://youtu.be/06QRSwiw7eo?t=1m3s
Laker version.
conclusion from that video is that we didn't execute the princeton very well last time.
a lot waste movements and a lot players are at the wrong place at the wrong time....
it's definitely a system that is can take a lot of practice.
I don't know it would work if we run it all the time...
but if it's well run, it definitely could be helpful and benefit to a lot of our players. It's a lot of screens, and ball movements.
I'm sure Byron will be better at teaching it than Potato Head.....
Conclusion that they only had 5 games to do it.
When I went back and watched Cleveland and the Hornets run it (and they didn't run the Princeton sets all that often), it looked like they were going through the motions and then it would devolve into a iso, or reset into a high pick and roll. They knew the backdoor wasn't going to be there most of the time, so they just cut and made dribble handoffs for the sake of moving around not really doing anything. They should have been really attacking with it- like you see Kobe and Nick Young doing using the standard backscreen cut to get deep post up position in the videos, and then if it's not there and neither is the shooter on the flare screen, go right into a 1-5 pick and roll or dribble pitch to finish the set.
One part I'm concerned about is with the lineups with 2 of Boozer, Davis, and/or Hill, one of them is going to be completely useless standing around the 3 point line on the standard 4 out 1 in sets and messing up the spacing (Randle can probably make it work with his kamikaze drives). It was bad enough when Gasol was standing out there.
The other thing I don't want to see is them wasting too many seconds off the shot clock just getting into the set.
Hopefully they show some flexibility in changing around the sets to fit the personnel and the NBA pace, while retaining the principles behind the spacing and angles. I don't think Rick Adelman really used the pure Princeton sets with any of his teams like Eddie Jordan and Byron were doing, even with Pete Carril on his staff.
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:45 am Post subject:
USCandLakers wrote:
TheElectronica wrote:
USCandLakers wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
The triangle doesn't make sense coach-wise or personnel-wise.
It makes sense personnel wise, but we don't have the coach to implement it.
Lacks floor spacing and a passing big. It takes Lin off the ball.
Rande can grow into a 4 in the triangle though. His decision making as of now is too weak for an offense that relies heavily on a passing big man to work be effective.
There are different versions of the triangle. Phil himself as ran and won with 3 separate versions. The triangle has everything. This team has all the tools to run the triangle effectively. Most certainly does not lack the floor spacing.
They do lack the floor spacing and the outside shooting. And as was mentioned, a passing big man. This team is built for penetration and kick outs. I could see our mediocre bigs getting some scoring chances if we can get our guards to penetrate. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
The triangle doesn't make sense coach-wise or personnel-wise.
It makes sense personnel wise, but we don't have the coach to implement it.
Lacks floor spacing and a passing big. It takes Lin off the ball.
Rande can grow into a 4 in the triangle though. His decision making as of now is too weak for an offense that relies heavily on a passing big man to work be effective.
There are different versions of the triangle. Phil himself as ran and won with 3 separate versions. The triangle has everything. This team has all the tools to run the triangle effectively. Most certainly does not lack the floor spacing.
They do lack the floor spacing and the outside shooting. And as was mentioned, a passing big man. This team is built for penetration and kick outs. I could see our mediocre bigs getting some scoring chances if we can get our guards to penetrate.
I'm afraid that the one player who gives us the floor spacing and passing as a big man (Ryan Kelly) is not going to get a lot of minutes. I hope he gets a lot of minutes, because he will fit this Byron offense like a glove. Just have this bad feeling that he won't, since the Lakers have been talking too much about Boozer, Randle and Davis. _________________ Kobe
Joined: 02 Jan 2011 Posts: 36081 Location: 502 Bad Gateway
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 9:47 am Post subject:
Chronicle wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
USCandLakers wrote:
TheElectronica wrote:
USCandLakers wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
The triangle doesn't make sense coach-wise or personnel-wise.
It makes sense personnel wise, but we don't have the coach to implement it.
Lacks floor spacing and a passing big. It takes Lin off the ball.
Rande can grow into a 4 in the triangle though. His decision making as of now is too weak for an offense that relies heavily on a passing big man to work be effective.
There are different versions of the triangle. Phil himself as ran and won with 3 separate versions. The triangle has everything. This team has all the tools to run the triangle effectively. Most certainly does not lack the floor spacing.
They do lack the floor spacing and the outside shooting. And as was mentioned, a passing big man. This team is built for penetration and kick outs. I could see our mediocre bigs getting some scoring chances if we can get our guards to penetrate.
I'm afraid that the one player who gives us the floor spacing and passing as a big man (Ryan Kelly) is not going to get a lot of minutes. I hope he gets a lot of minutes, because he will fit this Byron offense like a glove. Just have this bad feeling that he won't, since the Lakers have been talking too much about Boozer, Randle and Davis.
Randle will get time at the 3 and Kelly is likely ahead of Davis in the rotation. Yes I base that almost entirely off that pic in the locker room of the whiteboard. Also the fact that Randle's summer was basically an audition on the wing. One I think he mostly passed.
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