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BigBallerBrand
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 Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:21 pm Post subject: Will '13-16' be worse than 05'-07'? |
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It's hard to believe that the lakers will fall below the atrocity that was 05-07, but it seems like a reasonable possibility now. 05 was pretty bad as we didnt even make the playoffs, but the next season was pretty exciting with kobe scoring 35ppg and taking the suns to 7 games. 07 was pretty terrible.
but...we already jsut came out of 2 horrible seasons and it looks like we will not make the playoffs for 2 years in a row (for the first time?)....what do you guys think? will our next few years be worse that the chuck atkins and smush parker and kwame brown days?
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I think the worst part of it all is gonna be knowing that Kobe is coming to the end of his career and wont have jack squat around him. I think thats honestly what kills me the most. 05-07 was bad...in part due to just no help for Kobe...but with this roster we have the ability to win 40+ games, I just see us missing the playoffs due to the competition. If we were in the East we'd all be laughing about this but thats the sad part is that we're not, we're in the West and it's a lot more difficult. Unless a major injury happens to Memphis or New Orleans, I just dont see us squeaking in...it'd be nice though...
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BigBallerBrand
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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i think there is still a slim chance we slip into the 8th spot, not that it means much. but there is no harm in making the playoffs since we wont have our pick next year. as long as kobe is healthy, and boozer/Lin redeem themselves, lakers won't be as bad as most people think.
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Top players with total minutes played, over 30 games for each season:
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04-05 :: 05-06 :: 06-07
Chucky Atkins :: Kobe Bryant :: Kobe Bryant
Caron Butler :: Lamar Odom :: Smush Parker
Kobe Bryant :: Smush Parker :: Lamar Odom
Lamar Odom :: Kwame Brown :: Luke Walton
Chris Mihm :: Devean George :: Andrew Bynum
Jumaine Jones :: Chris Mihm :: Maurice Evans
Brian Grant :: Brian Cook :: Kwame Brown
Brian cook :: Sasha Vujacic :: Jordan Farmar
Tierre Brown :: Luke Walton :: Ronny Turiaf
Luke Walton :: Andrew Bynum :: Brian Cook
Stanislav Medvedenko :: :: Vladimir Radmonovic
Sasha Vujacic :: :: Sasha Vujacic
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05-06: Wow. We were playing only 9 guys deep as there were a lot of injuries. Kobe and Lamar were playing 40+ minutes each. No wonder we weren't so good in the regular season, but almost beat the Suns in the playoffs.
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2014-15
Kobe Bryant
Wesley Johnson
Carlos Boozer
Nick Young
Jeremy Lin
Jordan Hill
Ryan Kelly
Robert Sacre
Xavier Henry
Julius Randle
Ed Davis
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So hard to compare. If we didn't lose Kobe at the end of the 13-14 season, we could have made some noise in the playoffs. I'm actually excited about this upcoming year. This current team seems more well balanced than the 07-08 team. However, the big difference is "PRIME KOBE." Besides Kobe and Lamar, the 07-08 team were young guys who were still learning. Our 14-15 teams has a nice mix of vets and young guys. I think we'll be alright this year.  |
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LakerLand247
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Big difference. 2005-2007 was Prime Kobe years. |
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Threatt_Level
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:35 am Post subject: Re: Will '13-16' be worse than 05'-07'? |
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| 15 wrote: | | ....what do you guys think? will our next few years be worse that the chuck atkins and smush parker and kwame brown days? |
It will be worse than that. At least we had the best player on the planet during the Smush years. It will more like the Cedric Ceballos/Sedale Threatt/Elden Campbell years, but worse because the East was the power conference back then and the West is the power conference now. |
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No, I don't think it'll be worse than 05-07, though 06 and 07 weren't as terrible as 05.
I do fear a Kobe-less team going forward in 2016. He's been the Lakers security blanket for almost 2 decades now. But I think we may get lucky with someone in 2016 and I'm hoping that Randle can develop into an alpha dog for the Lakers by then.
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KB8SD
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| LakerLand247 wrote: | | Big difference. 2005-2007 was Prime Kobe years. |
This.
And also because how the new NBA CBA is currently right now.
The NBA small market teams (Cavs, Bucks, etc) cried hard how they wanted parity so that those teams could compete against the big market teams like the Lakers.
After the CP3 trade was vetoed that really was the crippling blow that put the Lakers where they are currently at now. |
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We have no idea what a Kobe-less Lakers team would be like and that's probably going to be the worst fear for the Laker fans.
Yes, I think the coming years will be nightmarish. |
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KB8SD
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| showmethemoney wrote: | We have no idea what a Kobe-less Lakers team would be like and that's probably going to be the worst fear for the Laker fans.
Yes, I think the coming years will be nightmarish. |
If your old enough to remember. Laker fans went through the same thing after Magic retired in 1991. |
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| It will be sad to watch because we are witnessing the end of a great career.....I don't think that he has a team to ensure that he goes out on top or have another shot at a ring like Tim Duncan is on the Spurs. Sucks but we pretty much mortgaged our future when we tried to get vets to make one last run that never came. |
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Wow... yet another thread for LGers to piss and moan in. Awesome!
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 8:51 am Post subject: Re: Will '13-16' be worse than 05'-07'? |
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| 15 wrote: | It's hard to believe that the lakers will fall below the atrocity that was 05-07, but it seems like a reasonable possibility now. 05 was pretty bad as we didnt even make the playoffs, but the next season was pretty exciting with kobe scoring 35ppg and taking the suns to 7 games. 07 was pretty terrible.
but...we already jsut came out of 2 horrible seasons and it looks like we will not make the playoffs for 2 years in a row (for the first time?)....what do you guys think? will our next few years be worse that the chuck atkins and smush parker and kwame brown days? |
People are already shell-shocked and most people don't expect a return of prime-time Kobe. So the tempered expectations at this point will make it easier for people to accept we're rebuilding and won't have a contending team for a while. |
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| i don't think it will be worse. we have a top young prospect and a more balanced team. we also have lin, who still has more upside (more than anyone outside of kobe in that 05-07 teams). we also have a lot more cap space.. i think much has done a good job rebuilding. |
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| showmethemoney wrote: | We have no idea what a Kobe-less Lakers team would be like and that's probably going to be the worst fear for the Laker fans.
Yes, I think the coming years will be nightmarish. |
If you look at the Kobe-less Lakers last year before all the injuries sets in, it gives you a slight glimps of what our original parts would've been like. We were around a .500 team, until Kobe got back and hurt again, which deflated all playoff hopes. So this year with Kobe, and some upgraded pieces, it's not that bad.
We improve on PG position with Lin, we improved on SG position with Kobe back, we remained the same in SF with Wes or X, we went from Hill in the PF to Boozer or Randle in the PF which would be an improvement, defensively a wash but vastly improved offensively. And went from Pau to Hill in the center position which is a drop in performance. But overall, it's a huge improvement over last year. So health was the biggest issue. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 8:58 am Post subject: |
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| 9-0-9 wrote: | | I think the worst part of it all is gonna be knowing that Kobe is coming to the end of his career and wont have jack squat around him. I think thats honestly what kills me the most. 05-07 was bad...in part due to just no help for Kobe...but with this roster we have the ability to win 40+ games, I just see us missing the playoffs due to the competition. If we were in the East we'd all be laughing about this but thats the sad part is that we're not, we're in the West and it's a lot more difficult. Unless a major injury happens to Memphis or New Orleans, I just dont see us squeaking in...it'd be nice though... |
A lot of that is Kobe's fault for his contract preventing us to field a real team.
I'm going to keep hammering this point home the next 2 years until people get it. |
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laker50
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:16 am Post subject: If the FO takes a rebuilding posture |
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Then the pain can be brief. But the FO seems to be gambling for the big win and looses lately.
Byron Scott was a huge step in the right direction.
J. Lin and the Houston 1st round pick was another good step.
Not trading Randle was a huge win. Kelly is a win.
If Kobe will go his last years at 12M it will open things up for free agents.
All that is needed is a rim protecting center like Howard and a SF like Ariza.
How about a SF next year and a rim protecting center the following year?
Then the Lakers will be close to back
Lin/Clarkson
Kobe/Young
new SF/X/Johnson
Randle/Kelly
new rim protecting center/ Hill
Now this is a contending team. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:48 am Post subject: |
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I'm going to say we're going to be slightly better than the 05-07 teams. Yes we had prime Kobe, but that just meant he was doing his thing and everyone else was ball watching. With Kobe being older, I think we will have a better balance on offense.
Guys like Julius, Boozer, Swaggy P, and Lin is going to step up and play a more important role. Kobe will still be Kobe but with a more balance approach. |
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| Phil Jackson's not walking through that door.... |
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| TheSource666 wrote: | | 9-0-9 wrote: | | I think the worst part of it all is gonna be knowing that Kobe is coming to the end of his career and wont have jack squat around him. I think thats honestly what kills me the most. 05-07 was bad...in part due to just no help for Kobe...but with this roster we have the ability to win 40+ games, I just see us missing the playoffs due to the competition. If we were in the East we'd all be laughing about this but thats the sad part is that we're not, we're in the West and it's a lot more difficult. Unless a major injury happens to Memphis or New Orleans, I just dont see us squeaking in...it'd be nice though... |
A lot of that is Kobe's fault for his contract preventing us to field a real team.
I'm going to keep hammering this point home the next 2 years until people get it. |
If only there was someone with a bigger hammer. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:30 am Post subject: |
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I think now will be worse. At least back then, we got to watch a prime Kobe go absolutely bonkers on the league.
This year, we won't have that.
Then again, we have Randle and Clarkson and we didn't always have young players with upside to pay attention to (other than Bynum). |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:32 am Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | No, I don't think it'll be worse than 05-07, though 06 and 07 weren't as terrible as 05.
I do fear a Kobe-less team going forward in 2016. He's been the Lakers security blanket for almost 2 decades now. But I think we may get lucky with someone in 2016 and I'm hoping that Randle can develop into an alpha dog for the Lakers by then. |
The giant Kobe contract thread can be summarized by these two sentences.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:38 am Post subject: |
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| ringfinger wrote: | I think now will be worse. At least back then, we got to watch a prime Kobe go absolutely bonkers on the league.
This year, we won't have that.
Then again, we have Randle and Clarkson and we didn't always have young players with upside to pay attention to (other than Bynum). |
I'm optimistic. Kobe was pretty much doing what prime Kobe was doing the previous year right before he got injured, so he has what it take, just a different style of game. And he was basically coming back to form prior to his knee injury as well. But with a full year of rest, all his previous injuries might actually be better.
Just for one, I don't think he ever truly recovered from his wrist injury by looking at his dribbles since then, something that needs time to recover. So rest may actually help. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:59 am Post subject: |
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| Murdock wrote: | | Phil Jackson's not walking through that door.... |
The current Phil? Thank goodness. |
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