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stewjoe
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| Xtreme wrote: | | it's okay they always underrate whatever team Lin is on, 2012, 2013, where both expected to miss playoffs ,they made both palyoffs, i'm used to it |
Are you saying that someone predicted the 2013 Rockets (with Harden, Dwight, Parsons, etc.) were not going to make the playoffs? Who said that? |
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| stewjoe wrote: | | Xtreme wrote: | | it's okay they always underrate whatever team Lin is on, 2012, 2013, where both expected to miss playoffs ,they made both palyoffs, i'm used to it |
Are you saying that someone predicted the 2013 Rockets (with Harden, Dwight, Parsons, etc.) were not going to make the playoffs? Who said that? |
Probably the 2012 team without Dwight. |
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| JayLida wrote: | | King beef wrote: | | SGVL1 wrote: | 15 wolves
14 kings
13 jazz
12 lakers
11 nuggets
10 pelicans
9 suns
8 grizzlies
7 rockets
6 mavs
5 blazers
4 clippers
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This is realistic. I doubt Kobe helps, 36 coming off two season ending surgeries? Again, be realistic. As a matter of fact, teams will play up to the presence of Kobe as opposed to playing down to the Lakers like last year. Next year won't be pretty. |
You sound like a BSPN analyst. Realism is the last thing that happens on LG, especially when the poster is a new poster. I have yet to see any poster here have PROOF that Kobe will not be Kobe. All this age BS is just plain stunted. But hey opinions are like a holes and you know the rest. |
What's so BS about aging? I mean, dude, you do know that we are all mortal and we all eventually get old and die, right?
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stewjoe
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| NomisR wrote: | | stewjoe wrote: | | Xtreme wrote: | | it's okay they always underrate whatever team Lin is on, 2012, 2013, where both expected to miss playoffs ,they made both palyoffs, i'm used to it |
Are you saying that someone predicted the 2013 Rockets (with Harden, Dwight, Parsons, etc.) were not going to make the playoffs? Who said that? |
Probably the 2012 team without Dwight. |
Ahh. The year they got the 8 seed with a .549 winning percentage.
The year after they were the 9th seed with a .515 winning percentage.
Now I see that Lin was clearly a massive difference-maker and everyone is wrong to think he won't single-handedly be worth the extra 23 wins we will need this year. |
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| stewjoe wrote: | | Xtreme wrote: | | it's okay they always underrate whatever team Lin is on, 2012, 2013, where both expected to miss playoffs ,they made both palyoffs, i'm used to it |
Are you saying that someone predicted the 2013 Rockets (with Harden, Dwight, Parsons, etc.) were not going to make the playoffs? Who said that? |
I think what he meant is 2011 - 2012 Knicks, where before Linsanity everyone predicted Knicks won't make the playoff and 2012 - 2013 Rockets, where the longest tenure player was Parsons and their average age was the youngest in the league and that was why ESPN underrated them. |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:20 am Post subject: Re: Forecast: Team turmoil in 2014-15 |
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I just saw that; and the Lakers were #1 by a mile. I guess you gotta get people on your website somehow. |
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| ESPN is starting to get on my nerves...... there are many leaders like Boozer/Kobe/Nash/Scott for a turmoil to happen.... I really wish ESPN someday gets shut down so tired of there act and there agenda against the Lakers. |
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Followed Rockets in the past 2 years so I use the 2012-13 Rockets as reference. They were projected 18 wins at the beginning and then after Harden trade, the prediction was 36 wins. They ended up at the 8th seed.
From what I see, if Kobe is healthy,
Offense:
PG 2014-15 LIN/NASH/Clarkson > 2012-13 Rockets LIN (1st full year)/Douglas/Beverley
SG 2014-15 healthy Kobe/Henry = 2012-13 Harden/fillers
SF 2014-15 Nick Young/Johnson = 2012-13 Chandler Parsons (2nd year)/fillers
PF 2014-15 Boozer/Randle > 2012-13 Patrick Patterson (2nd year)/Tjones (rookie year)/Dmo(rookie year)
C 2014-15 Hill/Davis = 2012-13 Asik/fillers
Defense
PG 2014-15 LIN/NASH/Clarkson = or < 2012-13 Rockets LIN (1st full year)/Douglas/Beverley (Lin is better than himself was two years ago but Nash is not as good as TD or PB)
SG 2014-15 healthy Kobe/Henry > 2012-13 Harden/fillers (Harden is liable on defense)
SF 2014-15 Nick Young/Johnson = 2012-13 Chandler Parsons (2nd year)/fillers
PF 2014-15 Boozer/Randle = or > 2012-13 Patrick Patterson (2nd year)/Tjones (rookie year)/Dmo(rookie year) (For Rockets PF was a whole on both defense and offense)
C 2014-15 Hill/Davis < 2012-13 Asik/fillers
The system: Bryan Scott > McHale (I really do not like his free wheel, 3-points or drive in system)
The key is Kobe is healthy. If that is the case, I think 2014-15 Lakers will be better than the 2012-13 Rockets on offense but could be worse on defense. These two teams are very comparable. My expectation to the 14-15 Lakers is borderline playoff. 4-6 will beat my expectation while 11-12 will be below my expectation. |
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| stewjoe wrote: | | NomisR wrote: | | stewjoe wrote: | | Xtreme wrote: | | it's okay they always underrate whatever team Lin is on, 2012, 2013, where both expected to miss playoffs ,they made both palyoffs, i'm used to it |
Are you saying that someone predicted the 2013 Rockets (with Harden, Dwight, Parsons, etc.) were not going to make the playoffs? Who said that? |
Probably the 2012 team without Dwight. |
Ahh. The year they got the 8 seed with a .549 winning percentage.
The year after they were the 9th seed with a .515 winning percentage.
Now I see that Lin was clearly a massive difference-maker and everyone is wrong to think he won't single-handedly be worth the extra 23 wins we will need this year. |
One thing to keep in mind is that after the 2011-12 season (I assume that is the .515 winning quoted), rockets went into rebuild and they were projected dead last before Harden's trade. However, Lin was not the biggest contributor to the wins either. I believe he was the third in the team behind Harden and Asik. |
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| K0BEE 2.0 wrote: | | I can't believe everyone is counting out the Lakers despite the fact that there getting a 100% healthy Kobe back and Improved PG depth we are only like 2 solid pieces away from contending for the title. |
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stewjoe
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| wfbql wrote: | Followed Rockets in the past 2 years so I use the 2012-13 Rockets as reference. They were projected 18 wins at the beginning and then after Harden trade, the prediction was 36 wins. They ended up at the 8th seed.
From what I see, if Kobe is healthy,
Offense:
PG 2014-15 LIN/NASH/Clarkson > 2012-13 Rockets LIN (1st full year)/Douglas/Beverley
SG 2014-15 healthy Kobe/Henry = 2012-13 Harden/fillers
SF 2014-15 Nick Young/Johnson = 2012-13 Chandler Parsons (2nd year)/fillers
PF 2014-15 Boozer/Randle > 2012-13 Patrick Patterson (2nd year)/Tjones (rookie year)/Dmo(rookie year)
C 2014-15 Hill/Davis = 2012-13 Asik/fillers
Defense
PG 2014-15 LIN/NASH/Clarkson = or < 2012-13 Rockets LIN (1st full year)/Douglas/Beverley (Lin is better than himself was two years ago but Nash is not as good as TD or PB)
SG 2014-15 healthy Kobe/Henry > 2012-13 Harden/fillers (Harden is liable on defense)
SF 2014-15 Nick Young/Johnson = 2012-13 Chandler Parsons (2nd year)/fillers
PF 2014-15 Boozer/Randle = or > 2012-13 Patrick Patterson (2nd year)/Tjones (rookie year)/Dmo(rookie year) (For Rockets PF was a whole on both defense and offense)
C 2014-15 Hill/Davis < 2012-13 Asik/fillers
The system: Bryan Scott > McHale (I really do not like his free wheel, 3-points or drive in system)
The key is Kobe is healthy. If that is the case, I think 2014-15 Lakers will be better than the 2012-13 Rockets on offense but could be worse on defense. These two teams are very comparable. My expectation to the 14-15 Lakers is borderline playoff. 4-6 will beat my expectation while 11-12 will be below my expectation. |
I love Kobe, but if you are banking on him matching Harden's 25-5-6 this year, I would say that is at the very least optimistic.
But the bigger problems with the analysis-
Chandler Parsons is a better player than Nick Young. He is a better rebounder, a better creator, a better 3 pt shooter, better catch and shoot player. Admittedly, Swaggy is way better at contested 21-foot turn around fadeaways.
Patrick Beverly is a better defender than Nash or Clarkson. Lin's marginal improvement over the last two years does not mitigate that disparity.
Byron Scott has a .444 career winning percentage guy. I loved him on the wings during our Showtime era. But he is known in the coaching circles as a golf club coach, i.e. a guy who brings his clubs on the road with him to play a round or two. Thibs and Carlisle don't do this for a reason.
Another problem is that the analysis doesn't show degree of advantage. The advantages you have us having are marginal (Lin is slightly better than he was 2 years ago). The disadvantages are significant. Asik is an elite post defender. Hill is not. That disparity is much larger than the factor of Lin's improvement over the last two years.
But the biggest issue- we don't have to beat or equal the 2012-13 Rockets to make the playoffs. There are worse teams than the 2014-15 lakers who have made the playoffs (the Vin Baker Bucks come to mind).
The problem is that we need a better record than 7 other teams in the west this season. Which 7 are we better than? |
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