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999
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 Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 8:51 pm Post subject: Greg Monroe is gone |
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I was hoping the lakers can make a couple of steals this off season by getting him and Bledsoe.
He signed the god (bleep) qualifying offer from the pistons of 5.6 million |
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Lakers 4 eva
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| Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 8:53 pm Post subject: Re: Greg Monroe is gone |
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| LAKERSCMXCIX wrote: | I was hoping the lakers can make a couple of steals this off season by getting him and Bledsoe.
He signed the god (bleep) qualifying offer from the pistons of 5.6 million |
Why would you want a big who can't defend? |
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999
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| Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 8:54 pm Post subject: Re: Greg Monroe is gone |
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| Lakers 4 eva wrote: | | LAKERSCMXCIX wrote: | I was hoping the lakers can make a couple of steals this off season by getting him and Bledsoe.
He signed the god (bleep) qualifying offer from the pistons of 5.6 million |
Why would you want a big who can't defend? |
He can rebound. We need that |
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RetroNikes
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| Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 8:56 pm Post subject: Re: Greg Monroe is gone |
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Fans are mad about the Lakers not getting Monroe but were pissing and moaning for years about Pau Gasol's poor defense.
I just don't get it. |
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activeverb
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| Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:01 pm Post subject: Re: Greg Monroe is gone |
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| LAKERSCMXCIX wrote: | I was hoping the lakers can make a couple of steals this off season by getting him and Bledsoe.
He signed the god (bleep) qualifying offer from the pistons of 5.6 million |
Monroe and Bledsoe weren't going to be steals for anyone. It would have taken max offers to either to get their teams to hesitate about matching. Bledsoe will probably take the qualifying offer too, and next year they'll both go after big dollars. |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:15 pm Post subject: Re: Greg Monroe is gone |
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| LAKERSCMXCIX wrote: | I was hoping the lakers can make a couple of steals this off season by getting him and Bledsoe.
He signed the god (bleep) qualifying offer from the pistons of 5.6 million |
Have some perspective. He did this so he can LEAVE Dtown. This is actually a good thing for the Lakers he signed this deal. |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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That makes him unrestricted next year. Told you guys someone would be the first to take the QO and gain their freedom early.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:31 pm Post subject: Re: Greg Monroe is gone |
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| LAKERSCMXCIX wrote: | I was hoping the lakers can make a couple of steals this off season by getting him and Bledsoe.
He signed the god (bleep) qualifying offer from the pistons of 5.6 million |
except this makes him an UNRESTRICTED FA next season when Nash, Henry, Boozer, Lin, and maybe Jordan Hill are off the books ($27m) Why offer a Restricted FA any $, when the Pistons could easily match. |
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mastersworddude
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| Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:49 pm Post subject: Re: Greg Monroe is gone |
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| Lakers 4 eva wrote: | | LAKERSCMXCIX wrote: | I was hoping the lakers can make a couple of steals this off season by getting him and Bledsoe.
He signed the god (bleep) qualifying offer from the pistons of 5.6 million |
Why would you want a big who can't defend? |
This. We have a front court clogged with bigs who can't defend. |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 10:14 pm Post subject: Re: Greg Monroe is gone |
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| LAKERSCMXCIX wrote: | I was hoping the lakers can make a couple of steals this off season by getting him and Bledsoe.
He signed the god (bleep) qualifying offer from the pistons of 5.6 million |
So what? That mean he's unrestricted next summer. If you really want him than having to overpay so that the Pistons don't match is the wrong way to go about it. |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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| I think Pistons will be forced to trade him to his preferred destination. They now know for sure that he will leave next year...so they will have to trade him wherever he wants to go. |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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Looks like the rest of the league was as smart as us for not going after him.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 11:46 pm Post subject: Re: Greg Monroe is gone |
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| activeverb wrote: | | LAKERSCMXCIX wrote: | I was hoping the lakers can make a couple of steals this off season by getting him and Bledsoe.
He signed the god (bleep) qualifying offer from the pistons of 5.6 million |
Monroe and Bledsoe weren't going to be steals for anyone. It would have taken max offers to either to get their teams to hesitate about matching. Bledsoe will probably take the qualifying offer too, and next year they'll both go after big dollars. |
This. I don't know what part of this some fans don't understand. It's been repeated to death but people just pretend like they don't see it. |
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Why is this a bad thing? It means the market for him will be more realistic in 2015 and he'll be unrestricted so we wouldn't need to shell out a max to prevent a team from signing him.
You can even probably land him at the trade deadline for that 5 million he's offered this year. |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 12:54 am Post subject: Re: Greg Monroe is gone |
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| LAKERSCMXCIX wrote: | I was hoping the lakers can make a couple of steals this off season by getting him and Bledsoe.
He signed the god (bleep) qualifying offer from the pistons of 5.6 million |
They weren't even an option. They were restricted FA's. Any offer we would have made them would have been matched. Especially now that we can only offer the minimum. Its good news that both might take the qualifying offer. It just means they will be unrestricted FA's free to sign anywhere next off-season when we have cap space and Nash comes off the books. |
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The OP is right. Greg Monroe and Eric Bledsoe are something. If our strategy is going to be to keep temporary contracts in order to sign big names (which is a stupid strategy), then passing on Monroe and Bledsoe was the right move. If you want to actually get that big name, the roster must actually have something, not just cap space.
If this past year is indicative of anything, there is a decent chance we ignore good players and throw all of our attention toward max players who would never come to a roster so bare or to an organization who is too lazy to build a team. Randle might be something, but I don't think that's enough.
All the posters slamming Monroe need to get real. If Monroe were a laker he might be our most valuable asset. In other words, beggars can't be choosers. The lakers have yet to show they can build a team or future and therefore have yet to sign a top tier free agent. I don't see this pattern changing.
A team with Bledsoe Monroe Stephensen is attractive. The junk we roll out on the spirit of maintaining cap space isn't. |
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| King beef wrote: | The OP is right. Greg Monroe and Eric Bledsoe are something. If our strategy is going to be to keep temporary contracts in order to sign big names (which is a stupid strategy), then passing on Monroe and Bledsoe was the right move. If you want to actually get that big name, the roster must actually have something, not just cap space.
If this past year is indicative of anything, there is a decent chance we ignore good players and throw all of our attention toward max players who would never come to a roster so bare or to an organization who is too lazy to build a team. Randle might be something, but I don't think that's enough.
All the posters slamming Monroe need to get real. If Monroe were a laker he might be our most valuable asset. In other words, beggars can't be choosers. The lakers have yet to show they can build a team or future and therefore have yet to sign a top tier free agent. I don't see this pattern changing.
A team with Bledsoe Monroe Stephensen is attractive. The junk we roll out on the spirit of maintaining cap space isn't. |
Except the Lakers would never have been able to afford all 3 of these guys. Bledsoe and Monroe would have required max or near max deals to pry them away from their respective teams.
It's driving me crazy every time I hear on the radio or read here and elsewhere that the Lakers are just preserving cap space and won't go all in on anybody. I don't believe that to be true. I think they're just waiting for the right guy(s) to go in on. This is smart. The biggest mistake you can make in a salary capped league is to go in on somebody you don't believe in just because you feel you have to do something. |
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| irielight wrote: | | King beef wrote: | The OP is right. Greg Monroe and Eric Bledsoe are something. If our strategy is going to be to keep temporary contracts in order to sign big names (which is a stupid strategy), then passing on Monroe and Bledsoe was the right move. If you want to actually get that big name, the roster must actually have something, not just cap space.
If this past year is indicative of anything, there is a decent chance we ignore good players and throw all of our attention toward max players who would never come to a roster so bare or to an organization who is too lazy to build a team. Randle might be something, but I don't think that's enough.
All the posters slamming Monroe need to get real. If Monroe were a laker he might be our most valuable asset. In other words, beggars can't be choosers. The lakers have yet to show they can build a team or future and therefore have yet to sign a top tier free agent. I don't see this pattern changing.
A team with Bledsoe Monroe Stephensen is attractive. The junk we roll out on the spirit of maintaining cap space isn't. |
Except the Lakers would never have been able to afford all 3 of these guys. Bledsoe and Monroe would have required max or near max deals to pry them away from their respective teams.
It's driving me crazy every time I hear on the radio or read here and elsewhere that the Lakers are just preserving cap space and won't go all in on anybody. I don't believe that to be true. I think they're just waiting for the right guy(s) to go in on. This is smart. The biggest mistake you can make in a salary capped league is to go in on somebody you don't believe in just because you feel you have to do something. |
We know what Stephenson got. We don't know what Monroe would get. We know what Bledsoe wants. If the lakers substituted Isaiah Thomas for Bledsoe, cool. Thomas got what, 7.5 mil or something. Look man, it doesn't have to be Monroe lance Bledsoe, but it has to be something.
We have nothing. If our tactic is to buy talent, then I respectfully disagree with you, we do have to do something because no true max contract player will want to play on this roster. Generally speaking I agree with you, we shouldn't do crap just to do crap. But when your plan is as lazy as clearing cap space to throw money at players (something any other team could do), the players you throw money at need to see something, anything before they consider you. |
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Never ours to begin with.
Never interested in him personally.
Bye.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:15 am Post subject: Re: Greg Monroe is gone |
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| LAKERSCMXCIX wrote: | I was hoping the lakers can make a couple of steals this off season by getting him and Bledsoe.
He signed the god (bleep) qualifying offer from the pistons of 5.6 million |
This is a good thing. As others have said, it means he becomes an unrestricted free agent next summer when the Lakers have a ton of cap space if you still want him.
There was no steal here for the Lakers. Since a offer of $5.6M would have been matched by the Pistons. To get Monroe or Bledsoe this off-season would have required a max/near-max offer, hence NOT a steal.
Monroe would be signing a Qualifying Offer, i.e., below market value contract for the expressed purpose of leaving Detroit. He can't sign such a contract with the Lakers. So the Lakers can't get him for below market value.
It's the nature of RFA. It would require something like the max offer that Parsons got to pry away Bledsoe or Monroe. And even then, it might end up being a waste of 3 days of tying up cap space only to have the team match like in the case of Gordon Hayward.
It was NEVER possible to get Monroe to the Lakers for $5.6M. So no missed opportunity for a steal. Though now, there might be the possibility of trading for that $5.6M if the Lakers still want him and have the assets to trade for him. Or just do the smart thing and wait for him to walk in a year and then sign him without wasting trade assets.
Besides he hasn't signed the Qualifying Offer yet. And SVG says that they've received no such word from Monroe, so maybe it's just a negotiating tactic of media pressure from the agent. |
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| I like Monroe's game but he wouldn't be a good fit playing alongside Randle. Team needs balance, would want a defensive C next year. |
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| 24 wrote: | | That makes him unrestricted next year. Told you guys someone would be the first to take the QO and gain their freedom early. |
Was Monroe offered the max by the Pistons? |
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| mhan00 wrote: | | 24 wrote: | | That makes him unrestricted next year. Told you guys someone would be the first to take the QO and gain their freedom early. |
Was Monroe offered the max by the Pistons? |
| Quote: | | he will accept the qualifying offer, play for Detroit in 2014-15 and become an unrestricted free agent next summer, |
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