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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Because he is Kobe. I saw him be good when he was injured, it isn't a big stretch to think that he will be good when he is healthy. |
Ok, so if he plays next year, the same way he played last year, then you'd be happy right?
14/4/6 on 42.5% FG or so -- give or take. That was last year when he was injured. |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 9:16 am Post subject: |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Because he is Kobe. I saw him be good when he was injured, it isn't a big stretch to think that he will be good when he is healthy. |
Ok, so if he plays next year, the same way he played last year, then you'd be happy right?
14/4/6 on 42.5% FG or so -- give or take. That was last year when he was injured. |
So are you saying he wasn't good last season?
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 9:25 am Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Because he is Kobe. I saw him be good when he was injured, it isn't a big stretch to think that he will be good when he is healthy. |
Ok, so if he plays next year, the same way he played last year, then you'd be happy right?
14/4/6 on 42.5% FG or so -- give or take. That was last year when he was injured. |
So are you saying he wasn't good last season? |
I thought he was downright awful.
I mean, it's funny that you say for someone to use stats its pulling it out of their ass, but you can say "good" and that's not pulling it out your ass.
They're all guesses my friend. Don't be afraid to take a stance! |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:00 am Post subject: |
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| Was Micheal Jordan good his final year with the Wizards? That's about the same impact I expect, with more turnovers. |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | Was Micheal Jordan good his final year with the Wizards? That's about the same impact I expect, with more turnovers. |
That's reasonable.
Kobe is younger but has WAY more mileage and an achilles tear injury. |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Because he is Kobe. I saw him be good when he was injured, it isn't a big stretch to think that he will be good when he is healthy. |
Ok, so if he plays next year, the same way he played last year, then you'd be happy right?
14/4/6 on 42.5% FG or so -- give or take. That was last year when he was injured. |
So are you saying he wasn't good last season? |
I thought he was downright awful.
I mean, it's funny that you say for someone to use stats its pulling it out of their ass, but you can say "good" and that's not pulling it out your ass.
They're all guesses my friend. Don't be afraid to take a stance! |
Most would disagree that 14/4/6 is downright awful. That is pretty average to above average in the NBA.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Because he is Kobe. I saw him be good when he was injured, it isn't a big stretch to think that he will be good when he is healthy. |
Ok, so if he plays next year, the same way he played last year, then you'd be happy right?
14/4/6 on 42.5% FG or so -- give or take. That was last year when he was injured. |
So are you saying he wasn't good last season? |
I thought he was downright awful.
I mean, it's funny that you say for someone to use stats its pulling it out of their ass, but you can say "good" and that's not pulling it out your ass.
They're all guesses my friend. Don't be afraid to take a stance! |
Most would disagree that 14/4/6 is downright awful. That is pretty average to above average in the NBA. |
50 more games and Kobe (If healthy) would have bumped his numbers at least to the low 20s range. His stats from 6 games is a poor sample size, but questions about his durability going forward are fair IMO.
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| greenfrog wrote: | | Was Micheal Jordan good his final year with the Wizards? That's about the same impact I expect, with more turnovers. |
You're funny. Wizards Jordan was the most inefficient volume scorer in history. Kobe will much better than that. |
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| Yoki24 wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | Was Micheal Jordan good his final year with the Wizards? That's about the same impact I expect, with more turnovers. |
You're funny. Wizards Jordan was the most inefficient volume scorer in history. Kobe will much better than that. |
Jordan played no defense as a wizard but the guy was still an offensive master.
He was getting 20ppg on 44.5% fg in his last yr
Paul george was getting 20ppg on 42.5% fg last season
Kobe should he able to get 20ppg on 45% fg on foot work alone |
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| governator wrote: | | Yoki24 wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | Was Micheal Jordan good his final year with the Wizards? That's about the same impact I expect, with more turnovers. |
You're funny. Wizards Jordan was the most inefficient volume scorer in history. Kobe will much better than that. |
Jordan played no defense as a wizard but the guy was still an offensive master.
He was getting 20ppg on 44.5% fg in his last yr
Paul george was getting 20ppg on 42.5% fg last season
Kobe should he able to get 20ppg on 45% fg on foot work alone |
This point will move the conversation forward. |
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| Offense he will be fine...not sure about defense though. Still better than some of the leagues "specialist" which stands for doesn't play defense, but IMO it will be a continued slippage in defense that is noticeable. |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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| ringfinger wrote: | 20/4/5 is realistic.
22/5/6 would be a nice reach goal.
25/5/5 isn't happening. It requires too many minutes to accomplish that.
He'll play the fewest minutes he's played in years and as a result, his numbers will decline significantly. I think at best, he could be equally efficient, he'll just have to do so on fewer minutes. |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Because he is Kobe. I saw him be good when he was injured, it isn't a big stretch to think that he will be good when he is healthy. |
Ok, so if he plays next year, the same way he played last year, then you'd be happy right?
14/4/6 on 42.5% FG or so -- give or take. That was last year when he was injured. |
So are you saying he wasn't good last season? |
I thought he was downright awful.
I mean, it's funny that you say for someone to use stats its pulling it out of their ass, but you can say "good" and that's not pulling it out your ass.
They're all guesses my friend. Don't be afraid to take a stance! |
Most would disagree that 14/4/6 is downright awful. That is pretty average to above average in the NBA. |
Well, I'm not most people. And 14/4/6 depends on context. If you took 37 shots to get there, and turned the ball over 13 times, that is not average nor above average in the league. So since we're speaking within the context of Kobe's season last year, then no, it was not good. He averaged 6 turnovers per game. He shot 19% from the 3pt line. He shot 42% from the field. He posted his lowest offensive rebounding numbers for a season in his entire career including his rookie season when he played half the minutes (only 0.3 offensive rebounds). There was nothing good about his season last year, not relative to the NBA and not relative to Kobe's typical standard of play.
In either case, I'm sure he'll improve on those numbers next season.
Back to you -- you said you have to see him play to project his output, yet, you projected his output as "good". How are you able to project his output as good without seeing him? Wouldn't that be pulling something out of your poophole just the same? |
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You can really tell that the majority of this site is a younger demographic now days. This isn't a knock on anyone. But a lot of these kids here never actually watched Kobe in real time with a mature basketball mind (not YouTube) dominate his opponents.
If you want to doubt someone, Kobe ain't that dude. I don't know what Kobe's numbers will be this year. But I do know that whatever Kobe haas decided they'll be, that's what they'll be. Bottom line.
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| Darth Los Angeles wrote: | You can really tell that the majority of this site is a younger demographic now days. This isn't a knock on anyone. But a lot of these kids here never actually watched Kobe in real time with a mature basketball mind (not YouTube) dominate his opponents.
If you want to doubt someone, Kobe ain't that dude. I don't know what Kobe's numbers will be this year. But I do know that whatever Kobe haas decided they'll be, that's what they'll be. Bottom line. |
I ain't young and I've seen Kobe in his prime. To say he will approach that height again is unrealistic. Thankfully Kobe was at such a high peak that even in decline he is still a very good player at his age.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Darth Los Angeles wrote: | You can really tell that the majority of this site is a younger demographic now days. This isn't a knock on anyone. But a lot of these kids here never actually watched Kobe in real time with a mature basketball mind (not YouTube) dominate his opponents.
If you want to doubt someone, Kobe ain't that dude. I don't know what Kobe's numbers will be this year. But I do know that whatever Kobe haas decided they'll be, that's what they'll be. Bottom line. |
I ain't young and I've seen Kobe in his prime. To say he will approach that height again is unrealistic. Thankfully Kobe was at such a high peak that even in decline he is still a very good player at his age. |
Who said anything about his prime?
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| Darth Los Angeles wrote: | You can really tell that the majority of this site is a younger demographic now days. This isn't a knock on anyone. But a lot of these kids here never actually watched Kobe in real time with a mature basketball mind (not YouTube) dominate his opponents.
If you want to doubt someone, Kobe ain't that dude. I don't know what Kobe's numbers will be this year. But I do know that whatever Kobe haas decided they'll be, that's what they'll be. Bottom line. |
The younger generation aren't aware of what achilles tears does to an NBA player. |
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| I can see the realistic level of play be around 25/5/7 his post game is still one of the best post games in basketball history just because of his absolutely amazing foot work. Though if i see kobe scoring a consistant 30/5/5 i will honestly not be surprised because he somehow seems to live beyond the realm of reality lol. Though seeing as he will be our best reliable offensive threat game in and game out, we need to make sure we hide him the most defensively. |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Because he is Kobe. I saw him be good when he was injured, it isn't a big stretch to think that he will be good when he is healthy. |
Ok, so if he plays next year, the same way he played last year, then you'd be happy right?
14/4/6 on 42.5% FG or so -- give or take. That was last year when he was injured. |
So are you saying he wasn't good last season? |
I thought he was downright awful.
I mean, it's funny that you say for someone to use stats its pulling it out of their ass, but you can say "good" and that's not pulling it out your ass.
They're all guesses my friend. Don't be afraid to take a stance! |
Most would disagree that 14/4/6 is downright awful. That is pretty average to above average in the NBA. |
Well, I'm not most people. And 14/4/6 depends on context. If you took 37 shots to get there, and turned the ball over 13 times, that is not average nor above average in the league. So since we're speaking within the context of Kobe's season last year, then no, it was not good. He averaged 6 turnovers per game. He shot 19% from the 3pt line. He shot 42% from the field. He posted his lowest offensive rebounding numbers for a season in his entire career including his rookie season when he played half the minutes (only 0.3 offensive rebounds). There was nothing good about his season last year, not relative to the NBA and not relative to Kobe's typical standard of play.
In either case, I'm sure he'll improve on those numbers next season.
Back to you -- you said you have to see him play to project his output, yet, you projected his output as "good". How are you able to project his output as good without seeing him? Wouldn't that be pulling something out of your poophole just the same? |
You do realize he barely even played last year, and was essentially still coming into form after an achilles tear before he got injured again. And even still the last game he played he was at 22pts. Once he finally got into form better and the rust from not playing comes off his turnovers and his shot percentage and efficiency would have improved. How much? I don't know but its safe to say they definitely would. |
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I expect that he will be very similar to 2011-2012 Kobe. I don't believe that's a stretch at all.
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| ringfinger wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Because he is Kobe. I saw him be good when he was injured, it isn't a big stretch to think that he will be good when he is healthy. |
Ok, so if he plays next year, the same way he played last year, then you'd be happy right?
14/4/6 on 42.5% FG or so -- give or take. That was last year when he was injured. |
So are you saying he wasn't good last season? |
I thought he was downright awful.
I mean, it's funny that you say for someone to use stats its pulling it out of their ass, but you can say "good" and that's not pulling it out your ass.
They're all guesses my friend. Don't be afraid to take a stance! |
Most would disagree that 14/4/6 is downright awful. That is pretty average to above average in the NBA. |
Well, I'm not most people. And 14/4/6 depends on context. If you took 37 shots to get there, and turned the ball over 13 times, that is not average nor above average in the league. So since we're speaking within the context of Kobe's season last year, then no, it was not good. He averaged 6 turnovers per game. He shot 19% from the 3pt line. He shot 42% from the field. He posted his lowest offensive rebounding numbers for a season in his entire career including his rookie season when he played half the minutes (only 0.3 offensive rebounds). There was nothing good about his season last year, not relative to the NBA and not relative to Kobe's typical standard of play.
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He played six games. His best game was the last one he played in. You don't think he would've improved upon those numbers, based on his game-to-game improvement?
A six-game sample size isn't enough to draw any conclusions. What those numbers show is rust, not what Kobe will do going forward. |
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| Will2Win wrote: | | I can see the realistic level of play be around 25/5/7 his post game is still one of the best post games in basketball history just because of his absolutely amazing foot work. Though if i see kobe scoring a consistant 30/5/5 i will honestly not be surprised because he somehow seems to live beyond the realm of reality lol. Though seeing as he will be our best reliable offensive threat game in and game out, we need to make sure we hide him the most defensively. |
You understand in order to achieve 25/5/7 (if you use those #s, I think Lebron didn't even put up 7 apg, so no one in the NBA put up those stats last year), he'll have to play 38-39 mpg? Is that what the team wants for Kobe? Doubt it. He'll probably play 30-32 mpg.
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| I'd like to think 22/4. |
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | | I'd like to think 22/4. |
I think that's a realistic picture. However, the most important stat to me is # of games. I have little doubt if he can play 65-70 games he'll be a very effective player, maybe not as elite as we are accustomed to, but still in the top tier of players. But Scott and Kobe need to pace and rest him.
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