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Jeggs
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 Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 1:31 pm Post subject: Theory why Cleveland got #1 draft picks 3 out of 4 years so Lebron could go back to Cleveland. |
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It's just weird that a team could get three #1 draft picks in 4 years. It almost seems as if this league is a bit fixed to help Lebron out.
Then you have the collusion of Lebron recruiting Kevin Love, and these other guys - but that is okay, and no one calls foul play.
When the Lakers go after Chris Paul, the Cavs owner himself complains and everyone gives in. Why does it seem like Dan Gilbert has more power in the NBA than any other owner?
My theory is this....Dan Gilbert collects dirt on the other NBA owners(videos of owners and mistresses, drug use, whatever) and used that to his advantage in the draft. Maybe he threatened other owners he would go public and reveal the skeletons in their closet...
Maybe that sounds crazy enough, but this Dan guy has some kind of leverage that we don't know about. |
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So THAT'S why Cleveland has been so successful and the Lakers have been the doormats of the NBA. Ah ha!
Good detective work. The mystery is revealed at last. |
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The_Dynasty24
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| ringfinger wrote: | So THAT'S why Cleveland has been so successful and the Lakers have been the doormats of the NBA. Ah ha!
Good detective work. The mystery is revealed at last. |
I have my disagreements with some of Ringfinger's position on things but this was spot on 
Sorry Jeggs but this is the kind of stuff you should think twice about before posting. It's in contention with some of your worst threads IMO. Only it beads is AH to come in here and post something about Paul George for you. |
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For this premise to even remotely begin to work you would have to believe that the majority of owners in the NBA are engaging in illegal activities that are blackmailable in the first place.
Then you'd have to believe that Dan Gilbert is the only one holding all the evidence.
It's extremely doubtful that either is the case. |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 3:16 pm Post subject: Re: Theory why Cleveland got #1 draft picks 3 out of 4 years so Lebron could go back to Cleveland. |
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| Jeggs wrote: | It's just weird that a team could get three #1 draft picks in 4 years. It almost seems as if this league is a bit fixed to help Lebron out.
Then you have the collusion of Lebron recruiting Kevin Love, and these other guys - but that is okay, and no one calls foul play.
When the Lakers go after Chris Paul, the Cavs owner himself complains and everyone gives in. Why does it seem like Dan Gilbert has more power in the NBA than any other owner?
My theory is this....Dan Gilbert collects dirt on the other NBA owners(videos of owners and mistresses, drug use, whatever) and used that to his advantage in the draft. Maybe he threatened other owners he would go public and reveal the skeletons in their closet...
Maybe that sounds crazy enough, but this Dan guy has some kind of leverage that we don't know about. |
There could've been a conspiracy for almost every bottom team last year receiving the top pick.
1) bucks - just received a new owner. Is one of the least profitable teams in sports. Maybe they got the top pick as a gift for buying the franchise like some claim happened to the pelicans owner and to help start turning a profit.
2) 76ers - were so bad last year they were unwatchable and as a result phili posted horrid attendance at homes games. They got the top pick so they could actually compete instead of looking like a d league team.
3) magic - make up for Dwight forcing his way out.
4) jazz - can't think of one.
5) celtics - restore one of the top 2 nba teams to glory. Help reignite the lakers celtics rivalry by also rewarding the lakers with a top pick.
6) lakers - same as celtics. Make up for the Chris Paul fiasco and Dwight walking.
7) kings - new Indian owner. Maybe they got the top pick to help break into the Indian demographic. Maybe a late gift for the 02 wcfs. They also have a new arena coming so maybe to help ensure they fill it.
8) pistons - have a woefully low operating income because of low attendance in their huge arena. Got the top pick to help make up that deficit, fill their arena, and help the economy of Detroit by restoring the pistons to glory.
9) cavs - help lebron return etc etc
10) pelicans - give anthony davis even more help to ensure he doesn't leave to a big market. Reward the owner even more by giving him one last gift for buying the team.
Take off the tin foil hat |
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I think at the very least its suspect that 3 out of 4 years the Cavs get #1 picks.
And LeBron suddenly wants to go home.
Whether this was the master plan is another story but if a big market team like the Celtics/Lakers/Knicks got the #1 pick 3 out of 4 years there would've been way more outcry. |
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Was V. Stiviano in cahoots with (gasp) Dan Gilbert????  |
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Jeggs
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| The_Dynasty24 wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | So THAT'S why Cleveland has been so successful and the Lakers have been the doormats of the NBA. Ah ha!
Good detective work. The mystery is revealed at last. |
I have my disagreements with some of Ringfinger's position on things but this was spot on
Sorry Jeggs but this is the kind of stuff you should think twice about before posting. It's in contention with some of your worst threads IMO. Only it beads is AH to come in here and post something about Paul George for you. |
Don't talk about my man PG  Kawhi Leonard is my other fave now after he destroyed Lebron 
I got stats on my side that show something is amiss...it's called the NBA draft odds:
"That statistical likelihood that the Cleveland Cavaliers find themselves with three top picks in the last four drafts (based on their specific odds in each draft) = 0.61%"
Maybe my theory about Gilbert having dirt on the owners is sensational(really just to show that he must have some kind of leverage over the other owners)...
but come on...a 1.7% chance to win the 2014 draft? Hmmm...you can't help but think there is some kind of rigging going on. |
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I applaud the thread Jeggs!! Keep up the good work! Your facts and logic are fine. It's impossible to prove, but the question is perfectly reasonable.
Here's one to chew one:
Lakers get the #1 pick (Worthy) right after winning the championship. LOL!! If that happened to Miami after they won, I would have probably tossed a chair through my window. |
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | For this premise to even remotely begin to work you would have to believe that the majority of owners in the NBA are engaging in illegal activities that are blackmailable in the first place.
Then you'd have to believe that Dan Gilbert is the only one holding all the evidence.
It's extremely doubtful that either is the case. |
It kills me that these people think that there is obvious fixing going on and teams are just sitting back and letting it happen. There is literally zero thought put into the conspiracy theories. If picks were given out for the league's self interest, the Lakers would have won the lottery. |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 10:06 pm Post subject: Re: Theory why Cleveland got #1 draft picks 3 out of 4 years so Lebron could go back to Cleveland. |
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| Jeggs wrote: |
My theory is this....Dan Gilbert collects dirt on the other NBA owners(videos of owners and mistresses, drug use, whatever) and used that to his advantage in the draft. Maybe he threatened other owners he would go public and reveal the skeletons in their closet... . |
when will all these NBA owners realize they should stop videotaping themselves doing drugs? that just never works out for anyone |
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| Treble Clef wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | For this premise to even remotely begin to work you would have to believe that the majority of owners in the NBA are engaging in illegal activities that are blackmailable in the first place.
Then you'd have to believe that Dan Gilbert is the only one holding all the evidence.
It's extremely doubtful that either is the case. |
It kills me that these people think that there is obvious fixing going on and teams are just sitting back and letting it happen. There is literally zero thought put into the conspiracy theories. If picks were given out for the league's self interest, the Lakers would have won the lottery. |
The NBA wants Lebron to win, they could care less about the Lakers at this point in time. |
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If Gilbert had the power to get the NBA to rig the draft lottery for him, why wouldn't he have exercised it in 2012 to get Anthony Davis? Why wait until the (bleep) 2013 draft when the pickings were slim (unlike Anthony Bennett)? It just makes no sense.
It was just preposterous luck. |
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I do have to admit that Cleveland getting the top pick the hear LBJ was drafted is a little suspect, as is getting the top pick the year he leaves. But I also understand that most years you can take any team winning the pick and work backward to a conspiracy reason.
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Total luck..... just like when Gasol became available for KB, the Lakers had just traded Caron Butler and ended up with Pau Gasol.
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| 24 wrote: | | I do have to admit that Cleveland getting the top pick the hear LBJ was drafted is a little suspect, as is getting the top pick the year he leaves. But I also understand that most years you can take any team winning the pick and work backward to a conspiracy reason. |
We are not talking one year, but 3 out of 4 years. |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 8:45 am Post subject: Re: Theory why Cleveland got #1 draft picks 3 out of 4 years so Lebron could go back to Cleveland. |
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| activeverb wrote: | | Jeggs wrote: |
My theory is this....Dan Gilbert collects dirt on the other NBA owners(videos of owners and mistresses, drug use, whatever) and used that to his advantage in the draft. Maybe he threatened other owners he would go public and reveal the skeletons in their closet... . |
when will all these NBA owners realize they should stop videotaping themselves doing drugs? that just never works out for anyone |
Well, I believe it's all the prostitutes taking the videos. |
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| Treble Clef wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | For this premise to even remotely begin to work you would have to believe that the majority of owners in the NBA are engaging in illegal activities that are blackmailable in the first place.
Then you'd have to believe that Dan Gilbert is the only one holding all the evidence.
It's extremely doubtful that either is the case. |
It kills me that these people think that there is obvious fixing going on and teams are just sitting back and letting it happen. There is literally zero thought put into the conspiracy theories. If picks were given out for the league's self interest, the Lakers would have won the lottery. |
It kills me that people think there is obvious fixing going on, yet the same people believe the league's most marketable team that also has arguably been it's most successful team has not had things rigged for them. LOL |
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| Dreamshake wrote: | | Treble Clef wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | For this premise to even remotely begin to work you would have to believe that the majority of owners in the NBA are engaging in illegal activities that are blackmailable in the first place.
Then you'd have to believe that Dan Gilbert is the only one holding all the evidence.
It's extremely doubtful that either is the case. |
It kills me that these people think that there is obvious fixing going on and teams are just sitting back and letting it happen. There is literally zero thought put into the conspiracy theories. If picks were given out for the league's self interest, the Lakers would have won the lottery. |
It kills me that people think there is obvious fixing going on, yet the same people believe the league's most marketable team that also has arguably been it's most successful team has not had things rigged for them. LOL |
Recency effect. All we remember here is CP3. That is a day that will live in infamy.
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| Yeah, that sounds crazy alright. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Dreamshake wrote: | | Treble Clef wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | For this premise to even remotely begin to work you would have to believe that the majority of owners in the NBA are engaging in illegal activities that are blackmailable in the first place.
Then you'd have to believe that Dan Gilbert is the only one holding all the evidence.
It's extremely doubtful that either is the case. |
It kills me that these people think that there is obvious fixing going on and teams are just sitting back and letting it happen. There is literally zero thought put into the conspiracy theories. If picks were given out for the league's self interest, the Lakers would have won the lottery. |
It kills me that people think there is obvious fixing going on, yet the same people believe the league's most marketable team that also has arguably been it's most successful team has not had things rigged for them. LOL |
Recency effect. All we remember here is CP3. That is a day that will live in infamy. |
CP3 debacle showed that the NBA offices is not exactly a neutral party in this. |
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Dan Gilbert owns a loan company and is chairman to a gambling casino...
Shady people become rich off those businesses.
Idk about dirt on other owners, but if I had to guess, the one thing the NBA fears is gambling, and if he helps run a casino, he probably has dirt on refs.
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| Dreamshake wrote: | | Treble Clef wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | For this premise to even remotely begin to work you would have to believe that the majority of owners in the NBA are engaging in illegal activities that are blackmailable in the first place.
Then you'd have to believe that Dan Gilbert is the only one holding all the evidence.
It's extremely doubtful that either is the case. |
It kills me that these people think that there is obvious fixing going on and teams are just sitting back and letting it happen. There is literally zero thought put into the conspiracy theories. If picks were given out for the league's self interest, the Lakers would have won the lottery. |
It kills me that people think there is obvious fixing going on, yet the same people believe the league's most marketable team that also has arguably been it's most successful team has not had things rigged for them. LOL |
A one team model is not optimal. LOL |
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