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Jeggs Star Player
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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shnxx wrote: | it's pretty cool but unfortunately lebron is on pace to eclipse kobe on these age-based records unless he injures himself . |
Kobe career points: 31,700
Lebron career points: 23,170
Lebron points in 2013-14 season: 2,089
Lebron needs 8,530 points to catch Kobe.
8,530/2089 = 4.08
So yes, in 4 years, Lebron will pass Kobe in all time points.
If Kobe is able to average 22-24ppg for the next two seasons or so I think it's doubtful LBJ would pass him. LBJ past his prime will see a major drop off in points production. The guy relies mostly on his athleticism to score. He doesn't have to the footwork and skillset to be effective past his prime. |
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ringfinger Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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shnxx wrote: | it's pretty cool but unfortunately lebron is on pace to eclipse kobe on these age-based records unless he injures himself . |
Yeah, which is why I was saying this accomplishment was more a reflection of Kobe's commitment to durability and toughness playing through injury.
Apparently, that's an opinion only worthy of a troll here. |
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lakerfan4life Star Player
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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Aussiesuede wrote: | Should be interesting to see if he can score more points than any other 36yo has in one season. Malone currently is the leader at 25per game @ age 36. |
Yeah but he broke Malones record of 25 ppg in their 16th season _________________ 14 till 17 |
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Vin Star Player
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 4:58 am Post subject: |
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Dr. Laker wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | ReaListik wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | That's a pretty awesome achievement, although, when you've taken the most shots than anyone in the NBA history at 36 years of age, you better have scored the most points! |
Not necessarily. |
What do you mean? Kobe has already taken more shots than any other player in NBA history hasn't he? I thought he hit that mark well before he even hurt his achilles. |
Nice agenda, but factually incorrect.
Kobe is behind KAJ, Karl Malone and Michael Jordan. Those are also the 3 he trails in career points. |
He's above them all in missed shot though. |
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Vancouver Fan Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 6:59 am Post subject: |
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zePokar wrote: | Dr. Laker wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | ReaListik wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | That's a pretty awesome achievement, although, when you've taken the most shots than anyone in the NBA history at 36 years of age, you better have scored the most points! |
Not necessarily. |
What do you mean? Kobe has already taken more shots than any other player in NBA history hasn't he? I thought he hit that mark well before he even hurt his achilles. |
Nice agenda, but factually incorrect.
Kobe is behind KAJ, Karl Malone and Michael Jordan. Those are also the 3 he trails in career points. |
He's above them all in missed shot though. | So? _________________ Music is my medicine |
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ppineda Starting Rotation
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 9:33 am Post subject: |
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Be careful, if you use this as an indication of how great Kobe is, then you will basically be saying LeBron is better when he passes him on this. |
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Vancouver Fan Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 9:47 am Post subject: |
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ppineda wrote: | Be careful, if you use this as an indication of how great Kobe is, then you will basically be saying LeBron is better when he passes him on this. | Not really. _________________ Music is my medicine |
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Jeggs Star Player
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 9:55 am Post subject: |
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ppineda wrote: | Be careful, if you use this as an indication of how great Kobe is, then you will basically be saying LeBron is better when he passes him on this. |
It's a matter of if not when. It's not easy to do. That's why KAJ has been at #1 for so long. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 9:58 am Post subject: |
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Jeggs wrote: | ppineda wrote: | Be careful, if you use this as an indication of how great Kobe is, then you will basically be saying LeBron is better when he passes him on this. |
It's a matter of if not when. It's not easy to do. That's why KAJ has been at #1 for so long. |
The question is whether guys like LBJ/Durant can play at a high level for nearly 20 years. I have no reason to doubt they can at this point. Unlike Kobe, who for the first few years (and missed last year) has "hurt" his overall scoring record a bit. But LBJ/Durant have a while to go at this point anyways. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Jeggs Star Player
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:11 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Jeggs wrote: | ppineda wrote: | Be careful, if you use this as an indication of how great Kobe is, then you will basically be saying LeBron is better when he passes him on this. |
It's a matter of if not when. It's not easy to do. That's why KAJ has been at #1 for so long. |
The question is whether guys like LBJ/Durant can play at a high level for nearly 20 years. I have no reason to doubt they can at this point. Unlike Kobe, who for the first few years (and missed last year) has "hurt" his overall scoring record a bit. But LBJ/Durant have a while to go at this point anyways. |
Lebron's crampitis may be an indication of questionable durability actually. I don't think Durant has had many issues, but Lebron's body type and susceptibility to cramps will be a cause for concern as he hits 32 or so I gather. And any decline in athletic ability is going to hinder Lebron greatly as he ages. He relies on his athleticism more so than Durant does. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:28 am Post subject: |
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Jeggs wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Jeggs wrote: | ppineda wrote: | Be careful, if you use this as an indication of how great Kobe is, then you will basically be saying LeBron is better when he passes him on this. |
It's a matter of if not when. It's not easy to do. That's why KAJ has been at #1 for so long. |
The question is whether guys like LBJ/Durant can play at a high level for nearly 20 years. I have no reason to doubt they can at this point. Unlike Kobe, who for the first few years (and missed last year) has "hurt" his overall scoring record a bit. But LBJ/Durant have a while to go at this point anyways. |
Lebron's crampitis may be an indication of questionable durability actually. I don't think Durant has had many issues, but Lebron's body type and susceptibility to cramps will be a cause for concern as he hits 32 or so I gather. And any decline in athletic ability is going to hinder Lebron greatly as he ages. He relies on his athleticism more so than Durant does. |
Well, apparently the cramps had to do with all the damn sleeves he wears. Notice how they took them all off in subsequent games. Further, his weight didn't help and ergo we have the anorexic LBJ now. I think Durant has a better chance to surpass Kobe at comparable ages. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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pio2u Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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ROTOWORLD/NBC SPORTS:
Quote: | Kobe Bryant is analyzing Paul Pierce's game as an example of adjusting as you get older.
Kobe's goal this season is to become a more efficient player and is using fellow 36-year-old, Pierce, as a case study.
Even though Pierce saw his stats dip last season, he was still able to post his best shooting and scoring efficiency numbers since 2010-11. |
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ppineda Starting Rotation
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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Vancouver Fan wrote: | ppineda wrote: | Be careful, if you use this as an indication of how great Kobe is, then you will basically be saying LeBron is better when he passes him on this. | Not really. |
How so... You just replace the name Kobe with LeBron and everything you said about him applies to LeBron. And then LeBron is even better, since he did it younger. |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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Yoki24 wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | That's a pretty awesome achievement, although, when you've taken the most shots than anyone in the NBA history at 36 years of age, you better have scored the most points! |
lol pathetic. |
I disagree, I have no issue with Kobe taking more shots than anyone else. Not pathetic at all to me, I hope we get the chance to see him take a high number of shots this upcoming season. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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NickF Star Player
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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And Kobe entered NBA 4 years younger than Kareem. |
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Hoop_Knowledge Starting Rotation
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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NickF wrote: | And Kobe entered NBA 4 years younger than Kareem. |
Still impressive though considering he didn't start until his 3rd season, played a significant chunk of his early career with another dominant scorer, and has had a career with not one but two lockout shortened seasons. These are things that neither LeBron or Durant have had to contend with. Can't take anything away from his exceptional ability to score the basketball... |
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thejet24 Star Player
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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Hoop_Knowledge wrote: | NickF wrote: | And Kobe entered NBA 4 years younger than Kareem. |
Still impressive though considering he didn't start until his 3rd season, played a significant chunk of his early career with another dominant scorer, and has had a career with not one but two lockout shortened seasons. These are things that neither LeBron or Durant have had to contend with. Can't take anything away from his exceptional ability to score the basketball... |
Kobe and MJ are the only two guards in the top 10. All you need to know as to how impressive his accomplisment is.
1 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 38,387
2 Karl Malone 36,928
3 Michael Jordan 32,292
4 KOBE BRYANT 31,700
5 Wilt Chamberlain 31,419
6 Shaquille O'Neal 28,596
7 Moses Malone 27,409
8 Elvin Hayes 27,313
9 Hakeem Olajuwon 26,946
10 DIRK NOWITZKI 26,786 _________________ 2008-2010 Finals. 28.9 PTS 6.1 REB 5.4 AST 2.1 STLs |
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Hoop_Knowledge Starting Rotation
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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thejet24 wrote: | Hoop_Knowledge wrote: | NickF wrote: | And Kobe entered NBA 4 years younger than Kareem. |
Still impressive though considering he didn't start until his 3rd season, played a significant chunk of his early career with another dominant scorer, and has had a career with not one but two lockout shortened seasons. These are things that neither LeBron or Durant have had to contend with. Can't take anything away from his exceptional ability to score the basketball... |
Kobe and MJ are the only two guards in the top 10. All you need to know as to how impressive his accomplisment is.
1 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 38,387
2 Karl Malone 36,928
3 Michael Jordan 32,292
4 KOBE BRYANT 31,700
5 Wilt Chamberlain 31,419
6 Shaquille O'Neal 28,596
7 Moses Malone 27,409
8 Elvin Hayes 27,313
9 Hakeem Olajuwon 26,946
10 DIRK NOWITZKI 26,786 |
KB has a great shot of catching and passing Malone. Hopefully he stays long enough and is healthy enough to catch Kareem.
Also, IIRC, he is pretty close to becoming the all-time leading scorer in the playoffs as well. This will depend on whether or not they can make the playoffs in the stacked west (which I hope they do). Would be tremendous if he eventually obtains both records... |
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LoLakers13 Star Player
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Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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ringfinger wrote: | saacman5033 wrote: | Dr. Laker wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | ReaListik wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | That's a pretty awesome achievement, although, when you've taken the most shots than anyone in the NBA history at 36 years of age, you better have scored the most points! |
Not necessarily. |
What do you mean? Kobe has already taken more shots than any other player in NBA history hasn't he? I thought he hit that mark well before he even hurt his achilles. |
Nice agenda, but factually incorrect.
Kobe is behind KAJ, Karl Malone and Michael Jordan. Those are also the 3 he trails in career points. |
Indeed. I believe ringfinger is confusing most career attempts with most career misses. Kobe holds the NBA record for most career missed shots, not attempts. |
Ahhh yes. You're right. I knew he had the most misses and so I assumed he would have also had the most attempts. In either case, I really think it speaks to his ability to play through injuries and heavy minutes more than anything else. |
More attempts = more makes and more misses. If you are converting them close to the average rate.
kobe attempts to much. |
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doughboy90650 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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thejet24 wrote: | Hoop_Knowledge wrote: | NickF wrote: | And Kobe entered NBA 4 years younger than Kareem. |
Still impressive though considering he didn't start until his 3rd season, played a significant chunk of his early career with another dominant scorer, and has had a career with not one but two lockout shortened seasons. These are things that neither LeBron or Durant have had to contend with. Can't take anything away from his exceptional ability to score the basketball... |
Kobe and MJ are the only two guards in the top 10. All you need to know as to how impressive his accomplisment is.
1 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 38,387
2 Karl Malone 36,928
3 Michael Jordan 32,292
4 KOBE BRYANT 31,700
5 Wilt Chamberlain 31,419
6 Shaquille O'Neal 28,596
7 Moses Malone 27,409
8 Elvin Hayes 27,313
9 Hakeem Olajuwon 26,946
10 DIRK NOWITZKI 26,786 |
Dirk could be right on Shaquille's ass by the end of next year |
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Treble Clef Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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doughboy90650 wrote: | thejet24 wrote: | Hoop_Knowledge wrote: | NickF wrote: | And Kobe entered NBA 4 years younger than Kareem. |
Still impressive though considering he didn't start until his 3rd season, played a significant chunk of his early career with another dominant scorer, and has had a career with not one but two lockout shortened seasons. These are things that neither LeBron or Durant have had to contend with. Can't take anything away from his exceptional ability to score the basketball... |
Kobe and MJ are the only two guards in the top 10. All you need to know as to how impressive his accomplisment is.
1 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 38,387
2 Karl Malone 36,928
3 Michael Jordan 32,292
4 KOBE BRYANT 31,700
5 Wilt Chamberlain 31,419
6 Shaquille O'Neal 28,596
7 Moses Malone 27,409
8 Elvin Hayes 27,313
9 Hakeem Olajuwon 26,946
10 DIRK NOWITZKI 26,786 |
Dirk could be right on Shaquille's ass by the end of next year |
Dirk has very quietly rolled right up that list. I'm glad he won a championship so people finally started giving him the respect he deserves. |
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gumblin Sixth Man
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Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:07 am Post subject: |
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A great accomplishment. But comparing players based on that alone is difficult due to different era's. |
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Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:59 am Post subject: |
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ringfinger wrote: | shnxx wrote: | it's pretty cool but unfortunately lebron is on pace to eclipse kobe on these age-based records unless he injures himself . |
Yeah, which is why I was saying this accomplishment was more a reflection of Kobe's commitment to durability and toughness playing through injury.
Apparently, that's an opinion only worthy of a troll here. |
It's an accomplishment based on talent, durability, and the fact that he started his career directly out of high school so he 3-4 additional seasons to rack up points by age 36 compared to some other players. |
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non-player zealot Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:49 am Post subject: |
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ringfinger wrote: | thejet24 wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | That's a pretty awesome achievement, although, when you've taken the most shots than anyone in the NBA history at 36 years of age, you better have scored the most points! |
This is like arguing if you have the most money you spend the most money... |
Actually, it's the other way around. If you have spent the most money (i.e. taken the most shots) then you should have the most money (i.e. made shots or points). |
He had a boost by being one of the few big scorers who entered young, but there's still context for the quality of Kobe's point total. Garnett. He never starved for minutes from day one and he's still below Kobe who Del would pull out out a game at lightning speed in his rookie season for mistakes. Another bit of context is that Kobe also had to compete with an older and more conservative Jones for 2 yrs and change. EG: Del would at times ride Jones if he was doing well, as happened in the 98 Seattle series. That situation was a lesser version of Magic basically sharing PG duties with Nixon for 3 yrs and change. In other words, how many more assists could Magic have if not for that and how many more points could Kobe have? The answer to both is "lots". _________________ GOAT MAGIC REEL
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Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:55 am Post subject: |
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Dr. Laker wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | ReaListik wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | That's a pretty awesome achievement, although, when you've taken the most shots than anyone in the NBA history at 36 years of age, you better have scored the most points! |
Not necessarily. |
What do you mean? Kobe has already taken more shots than any other player in NBA history hasn't he? I thought he hit that mark well before he even hurt his achilles. |
Nice agenda, but factually incorrect.
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