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Just because he is not NBA ready does not mean the Lakers would have "wasted a pick" by selecting him.
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| My goodness did we hype this kid up to get randle...? I think so. So glad we got randle. |
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Not many rookies are nba ready, especially international players unless they are much older. That shouldn't be used against Exum's value as an nba prospect.
He could totally bomb out, and of course I would be wrong. Not being good from day one isn't unusual |
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Eh. Give him more time before we can write him off. Too soon.
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| A team picking that early for immediate impact better either have someone else's draft pick or need a new front office. |
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 he hasn't even played 1 NBA game yet |
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Kobe wasn't all that impressive as a rookie either. Not saying he's Kobe, but a young prospect with high ceiling usually needs a few years to grow into it.
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| This guy is very raw...I would not expect him to make an impact right now. You will see the rewards 3-4 years down the line. Of course the problem is it might not be with the team that drafted him. |
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| 24 wrote: | | Kobe wasn't all that impressive as a rookie either. Not saying he's Kobe, but a young prospect with high ceiling usually needs a few years to grow into it. |
While I know it's unfair to compare the 2 ... Del Harris did have a say in Kobe's minutes, which played a hand in baby Mamba's development.
Not to mention, KB tore it up from Game 1 of the SPL. I was there for 2 of his first 3.
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| Gimme_the_rock wrote: | | 24 wrote: | | Kobe wasn't all that impressive as a rookie either. Not saying he's Kobe, but a young prospect with high ceiling usually needs a few years to grow into it. |
While I know it's unfair to compare the 2 ... Del Harris did have a say in Kobe's minutes, which played a hand in baby Mamba's development.
Not to mention, KB tore it up from Game 1 of the SPL. I was there for 2 of his first 3. |
Same. The way he shredded teams...not just did well but seriously was next level at that point at the Pyramid was jaw-dropping. Went to game 2 after LA Times posted the article on his debut. We might have ran into each other.
There was zero doubt he wasn't at the minimum an all-star caliber talent. People get cute and talk about his new found post game years later. Good lord that narrative the msm uses is so absurd. It's ten times worse when I hear Lakers fans repeat that tripe. The base footwork on that fade was there at 17. He was dropping it from the 18-20 feet left and right. He always had it foos. Always. My friends and I used to joke around and compared him to "he who should not be named". J.K Rowling stole that line from us a few years later in Harry Potter j/k. In all seriousness, we did compare him to MJ the moment we saw him but of course avoided the direct comparison (it was a lame superstition since the "next" MJ and Magic would invariably flame out). A lesser player would've gone Kwame under the God-awful hands of Del Harris. |
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| Randle isn't ready either IMO. I see Clarkson being more NBA ready than both |
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| PICKnPOP wrote: | | Randle isn't ready either IMO. I see Clarkson being more NBA ready than both |
What does "being ready entail"? Able to make impact right away? Being in game shape? Having skills that need polishing? These are rookies for goodness sakes.
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Ready just means that they can keep up with the speed of an NBA game and contribute on a consistent basis. I think the game will be too fast for randle mentally at first but I can also see him catching on around allstar break, but then hit that rookie wall. If the lakers thought randle was ready they wouldn't have budded on boozer. IMO
Donte isn't ready mentally or physically yet. He has a few years to go. Randle is there physically just not mentally.
Clarkson is there mentally and even though he's thin as a rail he's very wiry. He can come in and contribute right away next to Kobe. Kobe will do the majority if the ball handling and call plays anyway so he will be fine. |
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| jonnybravo wrote: | | Gimme_the_rock wrote: | | 24 wrote: | | Kobe wasn't all that impressive as a rookie either. Not saying he's Kobe, but a young prospect with high ceiling usually needs a few years to grow into it. |
While I know it's unfair to compare the 2 ... Del Harris did have a say in Kobe's minutes, which played a hand in baby Mamba's development.
Not to mention, KB tore it up from Game 1 of the SPL. I was there for 2 of his first 3. |
Same. The way he shredded teams...not just did well but seriously was next level at that point at the Pyramid was jaw-dropping. Went to game 2 after LA Times posted the article on his debut. We might have ran into each other.
There was zero doubt he wasn't at the minimum an all-star caliber talent. People get cute and talk about his new found post game years later. Good lord that narrative the msm uses is so absurd. It's ten times worse when I hear Lakers fans repeat that tripe. The base footwork on that fade was there at 17. He was dropping it from the 18-20 feet left and right. He always had it foos. Always. My friends and I used to joke around and compared him to "he who should not be named". J.K Rowling stole that line from us a few years later in Harry Potter j/k. In all seriousness, we did compare him to MJ the moment we saw him but of course avoided the direct comparison (it was a lame superstition since the "next" MJ and Magic would invariably flame out). A lesser player would've gone Kwame under the God-awful hands of Del Harris. |
Spot on about Kobe's foot work and post base play (even if he was at the 12 - 15 range instead of the 6 - 10 we've been witnessing from him). That's what impressed me the most. He wasn't some athletic freak with raw powered potential ... the guy was already polished. And it was obvious, as you mentioned, he was already showcasing skills that even MJ didn't start implementing until he was in the league a few years.
I remember talking with my Dad and we were asking ourselves, "Can you imagine where this kid will be in 5 years? And he'll only be 23?"
Yeah ... he was one of a kind and I'll always be grateful that I was there for that first SPL as well as his 81 point game.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:11 am Post subject: |
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| PICKnPOP wrote: | Ready just means that they can keep up with the speed of an NBA game and contribute on a consistent basis. I think the game will be too fast for randle mentally at first but I can also see him catching on around allstar break, but then hit that rookie wall. If the lakers thought randle was ready they wouldn't have budded on boozer. IMO
Donte isn't ready mentally or physically yet. He has a few years to go. Randle is there physically just not mentally.
Clarkson is there mentally and even though he's thin as a rail he's very wiry. He can come in and contribute right away next to Kobe. Kobe will do the majority if the ball handling and call plays anyway so he will be fine. |
I don't think Boozer had anything to do with Randle, the team just saw the chance to get a proven NBA big for peanuts and jumped on it. As for Exum, his downfalls were vetted here before the draft, seeing them now shouldn't be a surprise. It all depends on how he plugs those holes.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | PICKnPOP wrote: | Ready just means that they can keep up with the speed of an NBA game and contribute on a consistent basis. I think the game will be too fast for randle mentally at first but I can also see him catching on around allstar break, but then hit that rookie wall. If the lakers thought randle was ready they wouldn't have budded on boozer. IMO
Donte isn't ready mentally or physically yet. He has a few years to go. Randle is there physically just not mentally.
Clarkson is there mentally and even though he's thin as a rail he's very wiry. He can come in and contribute right away next to Kobe. Kobe will do the majority if the ball handling and call plays anyway so he will be fine. |
I don't think Boozer had anything to do with Randle, the team just saw the chance to get a proven NBA big for peanuts and jumped on it. As for Exum, his downfalls were vetted here before the draft, seeing them now shouldn't be a surprise. It all depends on how he plugs those holes. |
I'd much rather accumulate another quality draft picks than be in limbo with a guy like Boozer. I wouldn't want him for any money.
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| Gimme_the_rock wrote: | | jonnybravo wrote: | | Gimme_the_rock wrote: | | 24 wrote: | | Kobe wasn't all that impressive as a rookie either. Not saying he's Kobe, but a young prospect with high ceiling usually needs a few years to grow into it. |
While I know it's unfair to compare the 2 ... Del Harris did have a say in Kobe's minutes, which played a hand in baby Mamba's development.
Not to mention, KB tore it up from Game 1 of the SPL. I was there for 2 of his first 3. |
Same. The way he shredded teams...not just did well but seriously was next level at that point at the Pyramid was jaw-dropping. Went to game 2 after LA Times posted the article on his debut. We might have ran into each other.
There was zero doubt he wasn't at the minimum an all-star caliber talent. People get cute and talk about his new found post game years later. Good lord that narrative the msm uses is so absurd. It's ten times worse when I hear Lakers fans repeat that tripe. The base footwork on that fade was there at 17. He was dropping it from the 18-20 feet left and right. He always had it foos. Always. My friends and I used to joke around and compared him to "he who should not be named". J.K Rowling stole that line from us a few years later in Harry Potter j/k. In all seriousness, we did compare him to MJ the moment we saw him but of course avoided the direct comparison (it was a lame superstition since the "next" MJ and Magic would invariably flame out). A lesser player would've gone Kwame under the God-awful hands of Del Harris. |
Spot on about Kobe's foot work and post base play (even if he was at the 12 - 15 range instead of the 6 - 10 we've been witnessing from him). That's what impressed me the most. He wasn't some athletic freak with raw powered potential ... the guy was already polished. And it was obvious, as you mentioned, he was already showcasing skills that even MJ didn't start implementing until he was in the league a few years.
I remember talking with my Dad and we were asking ourselves, "Can you imagine where this kid will be in 5 years? And he'll only be 23?"
Yeah ... he was one of a kind and I'll always be grateful that I was there for that first SPL as well as his 81 point game. |
Fully agree.
He was a genius from day one.
Lacked maturity and consistency, but the game, talent, and athleticism were there from the start.
It was a matter of time, only.
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| 24 wrote: | | Kobe wasn't all that impressive as a rookie either. Not saying he's Kobe, but a young prospect with high ceiling usually needs a few years to grow into it. |
If Kobe started as a rookie, he would have been quite impressive.
He would easily have been rookie of the year over AI. Two and half years on the bench set him back a bit.....he'd have 34K-35K points right now if he had started from the getgo like MJ, AI and LeBron had. |
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I still like Exum. Utah tried to put him at SG next to Trey Burke during the Vegas Pro League and didn't look the same. Australia tried to do the same because he's their most talented offensive player, didn't work.
Dude is a point guard and only comfortable with the ball in his hands, driving by his defender, and kicking out.
Off-ball, different story.
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| Mike@LG wrote: | I still like Exum. Utah tried to put him at SG next to Trey Burke during the Vegas Pro League and didn't look the same. Australia tried to do the same because he's their most talented offensive player, didn't work.
Dude is a point guard and only comfortable with the ball in his hands, driving by his defender, and kicking out.
Off-ball, different story. |
Mike if Utah offered Exum for Clarkson would you do it? |
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| 22 wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | I still like Exum. Utah tried to put him at SG next to Trey Burke during the Vegas Pro League and didn't look the same. Australia tried to do the same because he's their most talented offensive player, didn't work.
Dude is a point guard and only comfortable with the ball in his hands, driving by his defender, and kicking out.
Off-ball, different story. |
Mike if Utah offered Exum for Clarkson would you do it? |
I've seen too much improvement from Clarkson this summer and that clouded by opinion.
I will say this.
Exum has what Clarkson doesn't. He has the extra gear. I think he's more explosive around the hoop. He is clearly the better passer.
Clarkson has had several years to tighten up his ball-handling. Exum needs to step it up one more level in terms of ball-protection.
Exum. Quicker. Faster.
Clarkson. More natural scorer. Developing PG skills. Average court vision.
If Exum spent this summer the way Clarkson did improving his game with perimeter ISO skills, explosiveness, quickness, jumpshot, and defense, this is a no brainer decision.
But I haven't seen it this summer.
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | 22 wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | I still like Exum. Utah tried to put him at SG next to Trey Burke during the Vegas Pro League and didn't look the same. Australia tried to do the same because he's their most talented offensive player, didn't work.
Dude is a point guard and only comfortable with the ball in his hands, driving by his defender, and kicking out.
Off-ball, different story. |
Mike if Utah offered Exum for Clarkson would you do it? |
I've seen too much improvement from Clarkson this summer and that clouded by opinion.
I will say this.
Exum has what Clarkson doesn't. He has the extra gear. I think he's more explosive around the hoop. He is clearly the better passer.
Clarkson has had several years to tighten up his ball-handling. Exum needs to step it up one more level in terms of ball-protection.
Exum. Quicker. Faster.
Clarkson. More natural scorer. Developing PG skills. Average court vision.
If Exum spent this summer the way Clarkson did improving his game with perimeter ISO skills, explosiveness, quickness, jumpshot, and defense, this is a no brainer decision.
But I haven't seen it this summer. |
Playing college ball really helped Clarkson. I wonder if Exum played 1 year, say at North Carolina (dad's alma mater) what he could have gained in experience as opposed to sitting a whole year out and just doing gym and weight training.
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | 22 wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | I still like Exum. Utah tried to put him at SG next to Trey Burke during the Vegas Pro League and didn't look the same. Australia tried to do the same because he's their most talented offensive player, didn't work.
Dude is a point guard and only comfortable with the ball in his hands, driving by his defender, and kicking out.
Off-ball, different story. |
Mike if Utah offered Exum for Clarkson would you do it? |
I've seen too much improvement from Clarkson this summer and that clouded by opinion.
I will say this.
Exum has what Clarkson doesn't. He has the extra gear. I think he's more explosive around the hoop. He is clearly the better passer.
Clarkson has had several years to tighten up his ball-handling. Exum needs to step it up one more level in terms of ball-protection.
Exum. Quicker. Faster.
Clarkson. More natural scorer. Developing PG skills. Average court vision.
If Exum spent this summer the way Clarkson did improving his game with perimeter ISO skills, explosiveness, quickness, jumpshot, and defense, this is a no brainer decision.
But I haven't seen it this summer. |
Thanks for the reply. I tend to think the same thing. I think Exum will eventually get "it" and be special. Not sure if Utah is a good fit for him though.
What's funny is Exum and Clarkson would fit more as a backcourt combo than Burke and Exum IMO |
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