Really pathetic seeing all these football players abuse women and children. Since we're talking about people who can't defend themselves, why not abuse the elderly...or cancer patients?
Yeah they didn't show us pictures of the marks and bruises on his testicles. _________________ Lakersground: Join in, pick a player and trash all other players to make yours look better.
im ok with spanking a kids ass. Sometimes they need it. This time out (bleep) from what i gather from everyone around me doesnt (bleep) work. I also cant say that its just bad parenting, because i know some parents with multiple kids where 1 or 2 are great and one might just be out of freaking control or a few out of control while one is good.
Why should time out make a kid change his ways, because he's staring at a while for 30 min? big deal.
These aren't the only options. But, why do you think spanking is effective? What exactly does that teach a kid, that if you do something wrong physical harm should and will be inflicted upon you?
Yes. That's exactly what it teaches. Which is why it is effective.
A spanking and smashing a kid's face with a hammer are both physical harm but they aren't the same thing. Right?
Joined: 03 Feb 2003 Posts: 4260 Location: Western Conference
Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:19 pm Post subject:
ringfinger wrote:
vanexelent wrote:
kcxiv wrote:
im ok with spanking a kids ass. Sometimes they need it. This time out (bleep) from what i gather from everyone around me doesnt (bleep) work. I also cant say that its just bad parenting, because i know some parents with multiple kids where 1 or 2 are great and one might just be out of freaking control or a few out of control while one is good.
Why should time out make a kid change his ways, because he's staring at a while for 30 min? big deal.
These aren't the only options. But, why do you think spanking is effective? What exactly does that teach a kid, that if you do something wrong physical harm should and will be inflicted upon you?
Yes. That's exactly what it teaches. Which is why it is effective.
A spanking and smashing a kid's face with a hammer are both physical harm but they aren't the same thing. Right?
I can only hope you guys aren't parents. _________________ Lakersground: Join in, pick a player and trash all other players to make yours look better.
I'm stunned at the amount of people on social media defending what Peterson did.
I don't defend it. My Ex wife and I have agreed to not practice corporal punishment on our children. But I am not a fan either of the self congratulatory seeming displays of disgust the last few days over the various transgressions that have happened in the sports world. We've seen who we are. We are sometimes bigoted and mean and certainly violent and dishonest and not always brave.
But in AP's case, it certainly seems that he crossed a line. But that line is one that has moved and shifted only over the past couple of decades. Traditionally black families were more stern and more apt to inflict corporal punishment because if their children stepped out of line they were likely to be lynched, beaten, jailed, etc. I have no doubt that there was a loss of control when AP did what he did, but I also have very little doubt that he felt he was doing what was best for his child in long run.
He doesn't need jail time, he needs counseling and education on alternative methods of parenting that he can believe will keep his children safe.
And we, as a nation need to make violence in all of it's forms, from domestic abuse to child abuse to bullying to exclusion because someone is different, a national cause. PSA's teaching in schools, zero tolerance but with positive change, not punitive, heavy handedness unless the offender is recalcitrant. _________________ “It took many years of vomiting up all the filth I’d been taught about myself, and half-believed, before I was able to walk on the earth as though I had a right to be here.”
― James Baldwin, Collected Essays
im ok with spanking a kids ass. Sometimes they need it. This time out (bleep) from what i gather from everyone around me doesnt (bleep) work. I also cant say that its just bad parenting, because i know some parents with multiple kids where 1 or 2 are great and one might just be out of freaking control or a few out of control while one is good.
Why should time out make a kid change his ways, because he's staring at a while for 30 min? big deal.
These aren't the only options. But, why do you think spanking is effective? What exactly does that teach a kid, that if you do something wrong physical harm should and will be inflicted upon you?
Yes. That's exactly what it teaches. Which is why it is effective.
A spanking and smashing a kid's face with a hammer are both physical harm but they aren't the same thing. Right?
I can only hope you guys aren't parents.
What's wrong with smacking the back of a kid's head to get his attention? You think I should go to jail for that?!?!
Joined: 03 Feb 2003 Posts: 4260 Location: Western Conference
Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 10:01 pm Post subject:
KobeBryantCliffordBrown wrote:
Kobe2Dwight12 wrote:
I'm stunned at the amount of people on social media defending what Peterson did.
I don't defend it. My Ex wife and I have agreed to not practice corporal punishment on our children. But I am not a fan either of the self congratulatory seeming displays of disgust the last few days over the various transgressions that have happened in the sports world. We've seen who we are. We are sometimes bigoted and mean and certainly violent and dishonest and not always brave.
But in AP's case, it certainly seems that he crossed a line. But that line is one that has moved and shifted only over the past couple of decades. Traditionally black families were more stern and more apt to inflict corporal punishment because if their children stepped out of line they were likely to be lynched, beaten, jailed, etc. I have no doubt that there was a loss of control when AP did what he did, but I also have very little doubt that he felt he was doing what was best for his child in long run.
He doesn't need jail time, he needs counseling and education on alternative methods of parenting that he can believe will keep his children safe.
And we, as a nation need to make violence in all of it's forms, from domestic abuse to child abuse to bullying to exclusion because someone is different, a national cause. PSA's teaching in schools, zero tolerance but with positive change, not punitive, heavy handedness unless the offender is recalcitrant.
How can you possibly know that he had the child's best interests at heart? When you have to stuff leaves in his mouth while you take down his pants and beat the crap out of him you are a little sadistic. He's a little four year old boy for god sake. _________________ Lakersground: Join in, pick a player and trash all other players to make yours look better.
I'm stunned at the amount of people on social media defending what Peterson did.
I don't defend it. My Ex wife and I have agreed to not practice corporal punishment on our children. But I am not a fan either of the self congratulatory seeming displays of disgust the last few days over the various transgressions that have happened in the sports world. We've seen who we are. We are sometimes bigoted and mean and certainly violent and dishonest and not always brave.
But in AP's case, it certainly seems that he crossed a line. But that line is one that has moved and shifted only over the past couple of decades. Traditionally black families were more stern and more apt to inflict corporal punishment because if their children stepped out of line they were likely to be lynched, beaten, jailed, etc. I have no doubt that there was a loss of control when AP did what he did, but I also have very little doubt that he felt he was doing what was best for his child in long run.
He doesn't need jail time, he needs counseling and education on alternative methods of parenting that he can believe will keep his children safe.
And we, as a nation need to make violence in all of it's forms, from domestic abuse to child abuse to bullying to exclusion because someone is different, a national cause. PSA's teaching in schools, zero tolerance but with positive change, not punitive, heavy handedness unless the offender is recalcitrant.
How can you possibly know that he had the child's best interests at heart? When you have to stuff leaves in his mouth while you take down his pants and beat the crap out of him you are a little sadistic. He's a little four year old boy for god sake.
I thought I made that clear. _________________ “It took many years of vomiting up all the filth I’d been taught about myself, and half-believed, before I was able to walk on the earth as though I had a right to be here.”
― James Baldwin, Collected Essays
I'm stunned at the amount of people on social media defending what Peterson did.
I don't defend it. My Ex wife and I have agreed to not practice corporal punishment on our children. But I am not a fan either of the self congratulatory seeming displays of disgust the last few days over the various transgressions that have happened in the sports world. We've seen who we are. We are sometimes bigoted and mean and certainly violent and dishonest and not always brave.
But in AP's case, it certainly seems that he crossed a line. But that line is one that has moved and shifted only over the past couple of decades. Traditionally black families were more stern and more apt to inflict corporal punishment because if their children stepped out of line they were likely to be lynched, beaten, jailed, etc. I have no doubt that there was a loss of control when AP did what he did, but I also have very little doubt that he felt he was doing what was best for his child in long run.
He doesn't need jail time, he needs counseling and education on alternative methods of parenting that he can believe will keep his children safe.
And we, as a nation need to make violence in all of it's forms, from domestic abuse to child abuse to bullying to exclusion because someone is different, a national cause. PSA's teaching in schools, zero tolerance but with positive change, not punitive, heavy handedness unless the offender is recalcitrant.
Joined: 20 Apr 2006 Posts: 15294 Location: Southern California
Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 3:17 am Post subject:
kcxiv wrote:
vanexelent wrote:
kcxiv wrote:
im ok with spanking a kids ass. Sometimes they need it. This time out (bleep) from what i gather from everyone around me doesnt (bleep) work. I also cant say that its just bad parenting, because i know some parents with multiple kids where 1 or 2 are great and one might just be out of freaking control or a few out of control while one is good.
Why should time out make a kid change his ways, because he's staring at a while for 30 min? big deal.
These aren't the only options. But, why do you think spanking is effective? What exactly does that teach a kid, that if you do something wrong physical harm should and will be inflicted upon you?
It taught me. when i got my ass whooped, I learned my lesson, i didnt do it again! lol
I remember my mom got me pretty bad once. I was like 11 though. I punched a hole in the closet door and she got one of them miniblind switches i guess we can call it and got me really freaking good. To this day im 37. i never ever take my anger out at anything that can break. I resort to my punching bag.
Took one time and i learned.
I looked at those little ass welts and said that's it? We are in the wussy ass generation where when you punish your kid, it's go to your room for three hours and that will teach you; or no ps3 for a day type (bleep).
I thank my pops everyday for the legendary ass whippings I got. There weren't many but i remember always taking a nap after them because I was so tired of jumping up and down. In some instances, it did teach me discipline and structure. This is what will happen if you do x, y and z.
Funny thing is the people who tell you you shouldn't get in that kid's ass are the same ones who (1) have no kids but wrote a book on parenting or (2) have a kid running around in the grocery store throwing a tantrum and tell his mom to go F herself. Every time I see that little disrespectful bastard, I wanna snatch him up and take him to the cereal section and kick his ass myself.
I have three kids. Raised them all the same way my parents raised me. Same way their parents raised them. My pops was less like Cliff Huxtable and more like James Evans. His three boys turned out great and so far, I have a my two oldest are in college and I don't even have to spank the youngest one anymore. I just give him that look and it's YES SIR.
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Joined: 20 Apr 2006 Posts: 15294 Location: Southern California
Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 3:28 am Post subject:
Ted wrote:
KobeBryantCliffordBrown wrote:
Kobe2Dwight12 wrote:
I'm stunned at the amount of people on social media defending what Peterson did.
I don't defend it. My Ex wife and I have agreed to not practice corporal punishment on our children. But I am not a fan either of the self congratulatory seeming displays of disgust the last few days over the various transgressions that have happened in the sports world. We've seen who we are. We are sometimes bigoted and mean and certainly violent and dishonest and not always brave.
But in AP's case, it certainly seems that he crossed a line. But that line is one that has moved and shifted only over the past couple of decades. Traditionally black families were more stern and more apt to inflict corporal punishment because if their children stepped out of line they were likely to be lynched, beaten, jailed, etc. I have no doubt that there was a loss of control when AP did what he did, but I also have very little doubt that he felt he was doing what was best for his child in long run.
He doesn't need jail time, he needs counseling and education on alternative methods of parenting that he can believe will keep his children safe.
And we, as a nation need to make violence in all of it's forms, from domestic abuse to child abuse to bullying to exclusion because someone is different, a national cause. PSA's teaching in schools, zero tolerance but with positive change, not punitive, heavy handedness unless the offender is recalcitrant.
I'm stunned at the amount of people on social media defending what Peterson did.
I don't defend it. My Ex wife and I have agreed to not practice corporal punishment on our children. But I am not a fan either of the self congratulatory seeming displays of disgust the last few days over the various transgressions that have happened in the sports world. We've seen who we are. We are sometimes bigoted and mean and certainly violent and dishonest and not always brave.
But in AP's case, it certainly seems that he crossed a line. But that line is one that has moved and shifted only over the past couple of decades. Traditionally black families were more stern and more apt to inflict corporal punishment because if their children stepped out of line they were likely to be lynched, beaten, jailed, etc. I have no doubt that there was a loss of control when AP did what he did, but I also have very little doubt that he felt he was doing what was best for his child in long run.
He doesn't need jail time, he needs counseling and education on alternative methods of parenting that he can believe will keep his children safe.
And we, as a nation need to make violence in all of it's forms, from domestic abuse to child abuse to bullying to exclusion because someone is different, a national cause. PSA's teaching in schools, zero tolerance but with positive change, not punitive, heavy handedness unless the offender is recalcitrant.
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Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 5:02 am Post subject:
What a piece of (bleep). _________________ "The best there is. The best there was. The best there ever will be.", said Bret Hart regarding the Los Angeles Lakers.
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Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 6:38 am Post subject:
vanexelent wrote:
kcxiv wrote:
im ok with spanking a kids ass. Sometimes they need it. This time out (bleep) from what i gather from everyone around me doesnt (bleep) work. I also cant say that its just bad parenting, because i know some parents with multiple kids where 1 or 2 are great and one might just be out of freaking control or a few out of control while one is good.
Why should time out make a kid change his ways, because he's staring at a while for 30 min? big deal.
These aren't the only options. But, why do you think spanking is effective? What exactly does that teach a kid, that if you do something wrong physical harm should and will be inflicted upon you?
It's according to how it's done. The spanking was a reminder not a punishment in my family. When you did something wrong first thing that came to mind was the spanking, next the offense.
I was spanked as a child. During and after the spanking I was told why it was happening.
I sometime thought the lecture and teaching after the spanking was worse than the spanking itself. The spanking would last around 20 30 seconds, the lecture and teaching around 20 30 minutes.
The part that causes me to chuckle as an adult is "This is going to hurt me more than it does you." _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
The Long-Term Effects of Spanking
A multiyear study shows spanking kids makes them more aggressive later on
By Alice Park
Monday, May 03, 2010
Disciplining young children is what parents are supposed to do — most moms and dads have no trouble agreeing with that. But should the punishment include spanking?
As many parents can attest, few disciplinary measures stop a child from misbehaving as quickly as a swift smack or two on the bottom.
But in a new study published in Pediatrics, researchers at Tulane University provide the strongest evidence yet that children's short-term response to spanking may make them act out more in the long run. Of the nearly 2,500 youngsters in the study, those who were spanked more frequently at age 3 were much more likely to be aggressive by age 5.
The study, led by community-health-sciences professor Catherine Taylor, was the first to control for a host of issues affecting the mother, such as depression, alcohol and drug use, spousal abuse and even whether she considered abortion while pregnant with the child. After controlling for all these factors — each of which can contribute to a child's aggression — spanking remained a strong predictor of violent behavior. "The odds of a child being more aggressive at age 5 increased by 50% if he had been spanked more than twice in the month before the study began," says Taylor.
The association remained even after her team accounted for varying levels of natural aggression in children, suggesting, she says, that "it's not just that children who are more aggressive are more likely to be spanked."
Among mothers surveyed in 20 cities when their children were both 3 and 5 years old, nearly half (45.6%) reported not spanking their 3-year-olds in the previous month, 27.9% reported spanking once or twice that month, and 26.5% reported spanking more than twice. As 5-year-olds, the children who had been spanked were more likely than the nonspanked to be defiant, demand immediate satisfaction of their wants and needs, become frustrated easily, have temper tantrums and lash out physically against other people or animals.
The reason for this may be that spanking sets up a loop of bad behavior. Corporal punishment instills fear rather than understanding. Even if children stop tantrums when spanked, that doesn't mean they get why they shouldn't have been acting up in the first place. What's more, spanking sets a bad example, teaching children that aggressive behavior is a solution to their parents' problems.
"There is now some nice hard data that can back up clinicians when they share their caution with parents against using corporal punishment," says Dr. Jayne Singer, clinical director of the child and parent program at Children's Hospital Boston, who was not involved with the Tulane study.
The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) does not endorse spanking under any circumstance. It's a form of punishment that becomes less effective with repeated use, according to the AAP; it also makes discipline more difficult as the child outgrows it.
Instead of spanking, the AAP recommends time-outs, which typically involve denying the child any interaction, positive or negative, for a specified period of time. These quiet moments force children to calm down and think about their emotions rather than acting on them reflexively. After all, the goal of punishment is to get children to understand not just that they did something wrong but also what motivated them to do it.
1. HITTING MODELS HITTING
2. HITTING DEVALUES THE CHILD
3. HITTING DEVALUES THE PARENT
4. HITTING MAY LEAD TO ABUSE
5. HITTING DOES NOT IMPROVE BEHAVIOR
6. HITTING IS ACTUALLY NOT BIBLICAL
7. HITTING PROMOTES ANGER – IN CHILDREN AND IN PARENTS
8. HITTING BRINGS BACK BAD MEMORIES
9. ABUSIVE HITTING HAS BAD LONG-TERM EFFECTS
10. SPANKING DOESN'T WORK
The Long-Term Effects of Spanking
A multiyear study shows spanking kids makes them more aggressive later on
By Alice Park
Monday, May 03, 2010
Disciplining young children is what parents are supposed to do — most moms and dads have no trouble agreeing with that. But should the punishment include spanking?
As many parents can attest, few disciplinary measures stop a child from misbehaving as quickly as a swift smack or two on the bottom.
But in a new study published in Pediatrics, researchers at Tulane University provide the strongest evidence yet that children's short-term response to spanking may make them act out more in the long run. Of the nearly 2,500 youngsters in the study, those who were spanked more frequently at age 3 were much more likely to be aggressive by age 5.
The study, led by community-health-sciences professor Catherine Taylor, was the first to control for a host of issues affecting the mother, such as depression, alcohol and drug use, spousal abuse and even whether she considered abortion while pregnant with the child. After controlling for all these factors — each of which can contribute to a child's aggression — spanking remained a strong predictor of violent behavior. "The odds of a child being more aggressive at age 5 increased by 50% if he had been spanked more than twice in the month before the study began," says Taylor.
The association remained even after her team accounted for varying levels of natural aggression in children, suggesting, she says, that "it's not just that children who are more aggressive are more likely to be spanked."
Among mothers surveyed in 20 cities when their children were both 3 and 5 years old, nearly half (45.6%) reported not spanking their 3-year-olds in the previous month, 27.9% reported spanking once or twice that month, and 26.5% reported spanking more than twice. As 5-year-olds, the children who had been spanked were more likely than the nonspanked to be defiant, demand immediate satisfaction of their wants and needs, become frustrated easily, have temper tantrums and lash out physically against other people or animals.
The reason for this may be that spanking sets up a loop of bad behavior. Corporal punishment instills fear rather than understanding. Even if children stop tantrums when spanked, that doesn't mean they get why they shouldn't have been acting up in the first place. What's more, spanking sets a bad example, teaching children that aggressive behavior is a solution to their parents' problems.
"There is now some nice hard data that can back up clinicians when they share their caution with parents against using corporal punishment," says Dr. Jayne Singer, clinical director of the child and parent program at Children's Hospital Boston, who was not involved with the Tulane study.
The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) does not endorse spanking under any circumstance. It's a form of punishment that becomes less effective with repeated use, according to the AAP; it also makes discipline more difficult as the child outgrows it.
Instead of spanking, the AAP recommends time-outs, which typically involve denying the child any interaction, positive or negative, for a specified period of time. These quiet moments force children to calm down and think about their emotions rather than acting on them reflexively. After all, the goal of punishment is to get children to understand not just that they did something wrong but also what motivated them to do it.
Hey! We're defending social norms and our own upbringing here, that means any evidence-based discussion is not allowed, especially evidence that makes us feel cognitive dissonance about our own upbringings.
im ok with spanking a kids ass. Sometimes they need it. This time out (bleep) from what i gather from everyone around me doesnt (bleep) work. I also cant say that its just bad parenting, because i know some parents with multiple kids where 1 or 2 are great and one might just be out of freaking control or a few out of control while one is good.
Why should time out make a kid change his ways, because he's staring at a while for 30 min? big deal.
These aren't the only options. But, why do you think spanking is effective? What exactly does that teach a kid, that if you do something wrong physical harm should and will be inflicted upon you?
It taught me. when i got my ass whooped, I learned my lesson, i didnt do it again! lol
I remember my mom got me pretty bad once. I was like 11 though. I punched a hole in the closet door and she got one of them miniblind switches i guess we can call it and got me really freaking good. To this day im 37. i never ever take my anger out at anything that can break. I resort to my punching bag.
Took one time and i learned.
I looked at those little ass welts and said that's it? We are in the wussy ass generation where when you punish your kid, it's go to your room for three hours and that will teach you; or no ps3 for a day type (bleep).
I thank my pops everyday for the legendary ass whippings I got. There weren't many but i remember always taking a nap after them because I was so tired of jumping up and down. In some instances, it did teach me discipline and structure. This is what will happen if you do x, y and z.
Funny thing is the people who tell you you shouldn't get in that kid's ass are the same ones who (1) have no kids but wrote a book on parenting or (2) have a kid running around in the grocery store throwing a tantrum and tell his mom to go F herself. Every time I see that little disrespectful bastard, I wanna snatch him up and take him to the cereal section and kick his ass myself.
I have three kids. Raised them all the same way my parents raised me. Same way their parents raised them. My pops was less like Cliff Huxtable and more like James Evans. His three boys turned out great and so far, I have a my two oldest are in college and I don't even have to spank the youngest one anymore. I just give him that look and it's YES SIR.
My wife tries timeout, I do things along the same lines of your and my up bringing. Guess who has to repeat things a thousand times and who has to speak once to get our kids to do something. My punishments were met with twice the love afterward and an explanation of why my ass had to get taxed. I thank my pops for it, his discipline I can say saved my life.
How can you possibly know that he had the child's best interests at heart? When you have to stuff leaves in his mouth while you take down his pants and beat the crap out of him you are a little sadistic. He's a little four year old boy for god sake.
Exactly. People comparing this to a bare handed "spanking" that some kids get as children are way off, this was way over the line.
I personally feel he should be banned from the league for life along with Ray Rice. _________________ Love, Laker Lanny
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