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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 11:43 am    Post subject:

Purp 32 wrote:
6.5 mill sound about right for Lin on the open market this off season?


Maybe, but IMO, money is not the important thing this year.

- He has to find the right situation for himself in his next deal. He should figure out which team offers the best opportunity for him to play his game; then make clear to that team that he would like to be there. Sort of like how Igoudala did with Warriors. Of course, Lin does not have that leverage ... but he can still let teams know that he would like to be there.

At this point, finding the right situation for Lin is far more crucial than anything else.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 11:57 am    Post subject:

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Any chance Lin signs with a small market team on a 1-2 year deal?


I really thought Charlotte was a good destination for him.

Al Jefferson has regressed this season but he's still a good rim protector.
MKG would be that defender on the wing but with zero range.
They also have a stretch 4 in Marvin Williams.
He could have either played alongside Kemba or be that 3rd guard but the Hornets traded for Mo Williams.

The problem is that Charlotte is so inefficient in its offense, getting Lin would much improve them.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 1:50 pm    Post subject:

^al Jefferson is a poor rim protector...MKG is improving he will be really good..
Marvin Williams is a small foreword...
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:05 pm    Post subject:

At first I wasn't taking the Kings seriously. but the more you look at them.

Great rebounding center with very good offensive skill set in Demarcus Cousins
Great natural wing scorer, ,versatile in Rudy Gay. - someone who's great at catch and shoot
Young shooting guard showing potential, recent lottery pick Ben McLemore
Collison, mature, ,team oriented PG who is also fast and big for his position, and could play SG -> possibility of nice tandem with Lin

Omri Casspi, a player Lin was close to in Houston, is very likely to be brought back, has some history with team

They are on a four game win streak. What's troubled them most this season have been injuries and coaching changes. If they are all back healthy in the fall, could be an interesting team. Boogie seems like he's matured - he is still only 24!
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:10 pm    Post subject:

... Oh, yeah. And George Karl!
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:01 pm    Post subject:

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Dragic seems unlikely to move. He is really flourishing in Miami. nice article with charts comparing how he's doing, to how the other PGs who were moved at trade deadline are performing with new teams.

Reggie Jackson, Rajon Rondo, Brandon Knight, Michael Carter-Williams.

Pretty interesting.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/27/goran-dragic-leading-feisty-heats-playoff-push/


Lin was traded during the All-Star break from LA Lakers to LA Faster.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:09 pm    Post subject:

Purp 32 wrote:
6.5 mill sound about right for Lin on the open market this off season?


thats market value but that may not get him where he wants to go. there are different considerations to take. does he want to be a starter no matter what? is is strictly about system? is it about being on a contender? etc.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 10:31 pm    Post subject:

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Purp 32 wrote:
6.5 mill sound about right for Lin on the open market this off season?


thats market value but that may not get him where he wants to go. there are different considerations to take. does he want to be a starter no matter what? is is strictly about system? is it about being on a contender? etc.


All he needs to care are ...

1) Can I play my style?
2) Are there any great shooters stretching the floor for me? Especially someone like Mirotic, Bosh, Milsap, Diaw or Draymond Green from the 4 spot?
3) Who is the coach, is he gonna sell high on me?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 10:42 pm    Post subject:

Lin is like Mohammad Salah from Egypt/Italy:

http://164.177.157.12/img/blog/2015%2F3%2Fsalahfocus.jpg

They were both underrated by their coaches and some team-first fans.

They are both truly religious.

They are both playing for the purple and golds.

They are/were both wearing 7 & 4.

They are both speedsters.

They are both unstoppable with the ball in their hands/feet.

They are both willing passers and being good at it.

They are both playing much better after being allowed to play their FAST FORWARD style of plays.

They are both gonna get a big fat contract in the future as I believe.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 8:31 am    Post subject:

Reading through this thread really made my opinion of Jeremy Lin go down over the course of the season. Then yesterday I decided to watch the documentary "Linsanity" and I honestly have 100x more respect for Jeremy Lin. I'm going to be rooting for him to do good no matter where he goes.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 10:59 am    Post subject:

iggypop123 wrote:
Purp 32 wrote:
6.5 mill sound about right for Lin on the open market this off season?


thats market value but that may not get him where he wants to go. there are different considerations to take. does he want to be a starter no matter what? is is strictly about system? is it about being on a contender? etc.


Lin wants to be a starter, but I hope he begins to let go of that. Looking around the league I am struck by how weak so many benches are. With the salary cap, often very little is left for the supporting cast. This creates an opportunity for players like Lin who can elevate the game of other players. He didn't always seize the initiate to dominate the second unit at Houston, but he should see that as his role in the future. Not just as a high scoring sixth man; but as the guy who runs the show for the second unit.

The sixth man - bench leader, who closes out games, can be crucial. I am thinking..Ginobli, Igoudala.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:16 am    Post subject:

Lorenzomax wrote:
iggypop123 wrote:
Purp 32 wrote:
6.5 mill sound about right for Lin on the open market this off season?


thats market value but that may not get him where he wants to go. there are different considerations to take. does he want to be a starter no matter what? is is strictly about system? is it about being on a contender? etc.


All he needs to care are ...

1) Can I play my style?
2) Are there any great shooters stretching the floor for me? Especially someone like Mirotic, Bosh, Milsap, Diaw or Draymond Green from the 4 spot?
3) Who is the coach, is he gonna sell high on me?


you know a team with chemistry, a well run team, where his skill set is needed. and where the players trust each other, and play unselfishly. that is the ideal.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 12:10 am    Post subject:

ice_cold wrote:
Lorenzomax wrote:
iggypop123 wrote:
Purp 32 wrote:
6.5 mill sound about right for Lin on the open market this off season?


thats market value but that may not get him where he wants to go. there are different considerations to take. does he want to be a starter no matter what? is is strictly about system? is it about being on a contender? etc.


All he needs to care are ...

1) Can I play my style?
2) Are there any great shooters stretching the floor for me? Especially someone like Mirotic, Bosh, Milsap, Diaw or Draymond Green from the 4 spot?
3) Who is the coach, is he gonna sell high on me?


you know a team with chemistry, a well run team, where his skill set is needed. and where the players trust each other, and play unselfishly. that is the ideal.


What about the Mavs. They'll probably lose Rondo AND Monte. They're going to need a guard that can run some point and attack and score. They have shooters. They have a good coach who likes to run a PNR heavy system. They'll have tons of cap space. Seems like they might be a good fit.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 2:31 am    Post subject:

Jeremy Lin has Goran Dragic level talent. He just doesn't have his consistency.

From a basketball standpoint, it would be best for him to play elsewhere next year. Maybe he should run backup PG in MIA. They wouldn't have to change their system whether the 1st or 2nd unit is in.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:43 am    Post subject:

kikanga wrote:
Jeremy Lin has Goran Dragic level talent. He just doesn't have his consistency.

From a basketball standpoint, it would be best for him to play elsewhere next year. Maybe he should run backup PG in MIA. They wouldn't have to change their system whether the 1st or 2nd unit is in.



LMAO.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 4:06 am    Post subject:

kikanga wrote:
Jeremy Lin has Goran Dragic level talent. He just doesn't have his consistency.

From a basketball standpoint, it would be best for him to play elsewhere next year. Maybe he should run backup PG in MIA. They wouldn't have to change their system whether the 1st or 2nd unit is in.


After being labeled as a inconsistent player for 3 straight years, D'Antoni revealed the secrets of Lin being inconsistent under multiple inconsistent situations/roles:


"I think Jeremy can fit anywhere as a player," D'Antoni says. "He's that good. But he's not Linsanity if you put him just anywhere. If you close the floor on him" -- that is, if you don't stretch out defenses, if you don't leverage his yearning to attack the rim -- "he's going to look mediocre."

...

He visualizes Grizzlies point guard Mike Conley, who thrives without space, and Bryant, who inspired Lin's "point of emphasis" for this summer: midrange shots. Later, when I relay this plan to D'Antoni, I brace for a spit take. But the jobless coach invokes that PG-as-CEO metaphor. "There's trying to run your own company," D'Antoni says, grinning. "But you've gotta be employed too."


http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12561636/inside-jeremy-lin-life-linsanity-new-york-knicks
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 4:24 am    Post subject:

Buck32 wrote:
kikanga wrote:
Jeremy Lin has Goran Dragic level talent. He just doesn't have his consistency.

From a basketball standpoint, it would be best for him to play elsewhere next year. Maybe he should run backup PG in MIA. They wouldn't have to change their system whether the 1st or 2nd unit is in.



LMAO.

And what do you find so funny about that? Lin is as quick going to the hoop and plays better D. Dragic is a better shooter (except from the foul line) and has a better grasp of the game.
Is Dragic overall a better player...sure. But what I find laughable is that Dragic is considered a max player. The team that gives him 80 for 4 years is nuts.
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Lorenzomax wrote:
kikanga wrote:
Jeremy Lin has Goran Dragic level talent. He just doesn't have his consistency.

From a basketball standpoint, it would be best for him to play elsewhere next year. Maybe he should run backup PG in MIA. They wouldn't have to change their system whether the 1st or 2nd unit is in.


After being labeled as a inconsistent player for 3 straight years, D'Antoni revealed the secrets of Lin being inconsistent under multiple inconsistent situations/roles:


"I think Jeremy can fit anywhere as a player," D'Antoni says. "He's that good. But he's not Linsanity if you put him just anywhere. If you close the floor on him" -- that is, if you don't stretch out defenses, if you don't leverage his yearning to attack the rim -- "he's going to look mediocre."

...

He visualizes Grizzlies point guard Mike Conley, who thrives without space, and Bryant, who inspired Lin's "point of emphasis" for this summer: midrange shots. Later, when I relay this plan to D'Antoni, I brace for a spit take. But the jobless coach invokes that PG-as-CEO metaphor. "There's trying to run your own company," D'Antoni says, grinning. "But you've gotta be employed too."


http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12561636/inside-jeremy-lin-life-linsanity-new-york-knicks


This is really it. Lin is a specialist. In the right system, Lin CAN be as good as Dragic. However, he isn't by mere fact that he needs a certain system to thrive. Good players are going to be good to greater or lesser degrees in any system.

It can be argued that any player with significant talent, will do well in the "right" system. But if he's dependant on the right system, that makes him average/above average at best.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:55 am    Post subject:

Buck32 wrote:
kikanga wrote:
Jeremy Lin has Goran Dragic level talent. He just doesn't have his consistency.

From a basketball standpoint, it would be best for him to play elsewhere next year. Maybe he should run backup PG in MIA. They wouldn't have to change their system whether the 1st or 2nd unit is in.



LMAO.


I love these knuckledraggers who ignorantly scoff at Lin having Dragic-level talent without any facts.

Let's look at Dragic and Lin's Career Per 36 numbers:

Dragic

6.2FG 13.1FGA .469% FG .362% 3PT .748% FT 3.7REB 6.3AST 1.5STL 0.3BLK 3.0TOV 16.9PTS

Lin

5.4FG 12.3FGA .440% FG .350% 3PT .800% FT 3.5REB 6.4AST 1.7STL 0.5BLK 3.3TOV 15.7PTS

Their numbers are nearly identical except that Dragic is slightly better percentage-wise on FG/3pt% while Lin is a better FT shooter. And Dragic takes a marginal amount of more shots per game, which leads to a higher pt/game.

Someone is going to overpay for Dragic this summer and some other team is going to get a deal in Lin.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 6:01 am    Post subject:

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This is really it. Lin is a specialist. In the right system, Lin CAN be as good as Dragic. However, he isn't by mere fact that he needs a certain system to thrive. Good players are going to be good to greater or lesser degrees in any system.

It can be argued that any player with significant talent, will do well in the "right" system. But if he's dependant on the right system, that makes him average/above average at best.


What are you talking about? Harden was a bench warmer until he got the ball 90%of the time and played as many minutes as he wanted. KOBE demanded the same and both demanded their style of a point guard to play along side them.

What are talking about? You want to play Hill point guard.? Makes just as much sense.

You want to max your players potential? You play them on their strenghts and you work on their weaknesses off court. Precisely what Lin has been doing with his time until he was forced to act like a goffer when he is in fact General material.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 6:26 am    Post subject:

Buck32 wrote:
kikanga wrote:
Jeremy Lin has Goran Dragic level talent. He just doesn't have his consistency.

From a basketball standpoint, it would be best for him to play elsewhere next year. Maybe he should run backup PG in MIA. They wouldn't have to change their system whether the 1st or 2nd unit is in.



LMAO.
Not sure what you're laughing at.

The talent and skill is there, and we see it displayed often enough.

Also keep in mind that 2 yrs ago, Dragic wasn't thought to be much at all.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 6:52 am    Post subject:

gumblin wrote:
Lorenzomax wrote:
kikanga wrote:
Jeremy Lin has Goran Dragic level talent. He just doesn't have his consistency.

From a basketball standpoint, it would be best for him to play elsewhere next year. Maybe he should run backup PG in MIA. They wouldn't have to change their system whether the 1st or 2nd unit is in.


After being labeled as a inconsistent player for 3 straight years, D'Antoni revealed the secrets of Lin being inconsistent under multiple inconsistent situations/roles:


"I think Jeremy can fit anywhere as a player," D'Antoni says. "He's that good. But he's not Linsanity if you put him just anywhere. If you close the floor on him" -- that is, if you don't stretch out defenses, if you don't leverage his yearning to attack the rim -- "he's going to look mediocre."

...

He visualizes Grizzlies point guard Mike Conley, who thrives without space, and Bryant, who inspired Lin's "point of emphasis" for this summer: midrange shots. Later, when I relay this plan to D'Antoni, I brace for a spit take. But the jobless coach invokes that PG-as-CEO metaphor. "There's trying to run your own company," D'Antoni says, grinning. "But you've gotta be employed too."


http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12561636/inside-jeremy-lin-life-linsanity-new-york-knicks


This is really it. Lin is a specialist. In the right system, Lin CAN be as good as Dragic. However, he isn't by mere fact that he needs a certain system to thrive. Good players are going to be good to greater or lesser degrees in any system.

It can be argued that any player with significant talent, will do well in the "right" system. But if he's dependant on the right system, that makes him average/above average at best.


Many players are less dependent on system, sure. But the charts in above article about Dragic's improvement since going to Heat underline how even
Elite players can be affected by system and role. See also Rondo.

The other thing about Lin is that when in right system he is really good - like 2.2 PER since All Star Break good. Not every player is going to see that upside from being in a better system for them.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 7:07 am    Post subject:

Plus the system Lin's good at is not some weird esoteric system. It's probably the one majority of teams use or are moving towards at this point.
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ice_cold wrote:
Lorenzomax wrote:
iggypop123 wrote:
Purp 32 wrote:
6.5 mill sound about right for Lin on the open market this off season?


thats market value but that may not get him where he wants to go. there are different considerations to take. does he want to be a starter no matter what? is is strictly about system? is it about being on a contender? etc.


All he needs to care are ...

1) Can I play my style?
2) Are there any great shooters stretching the floor for me? Especially someone like Mirotic, Bosh, Milsap, Diaw or Draymond Green from the 4 spot?
3) Who is the coach, is he gonna sell high on me?


you know a team with chemistry, a well run team, where his skill set is needed. and where the players trust each other, and play unselfishly. that is the ideal.


What about the Mavs. They'll probably lose Rondo AND Monte. They're going to need a guard that can run some point and attack and score. They have shooters. They have a good coach who likes to run a PNR heavy system. They'll have tons of cap space. Seems like they might be a good fit.


Great coach. Chandler Pars
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 7:33 am    Post subject:

Parsons contract is too high. And just generally I think Mavs are too old for Lin. Their horizon is 2 or 3 years max with Nowitski and Tyson Chandler. Also I still see Rondo staying.
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