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Reflexx
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| fadeaway3 wrote: | | rtype wrote: | | fadeaway3 wrote: | | Lin needs a reliable jump shot then he'll be a complete offensive player. |
o rilly? |
Yes really! His inconsistency stems from the lack of a solid jumper. He's really good at driving to the hoop but when the defense collapse on him and he's not getting calls then he shuts down. With a solid jump shot the defense will have to respect that and he can blow by his opponents. |
Must be why he has that horrible shooting percentage. Bad jumper. |
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rtype
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| Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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| fadeaway3 wrote: | | rtype wrote: | | fadeaway3 wrote: | | Lin needs a reliable jump shot then he'll be a complete offensive player. |
o rilly? |
Yes really! His inconsistency stems from the lack of a solid jumper. He's really good at driving to the hoop but when the defense collapse on him and he's not getting calls then he shuts down. With a solid jump shot the defense will have to respect that and he can blow by his opponents. |
are u a shooting coach? |
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fadeaway3
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| Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Reflexx wrote: | | fadeaway3 wrote: | | rtype wrote: | | fadeaway3 wrote: | | Lin needs a reliable jump shot then he'll be a complete offensive player. |
o rilly? |
Yes really! His inconsistency stems from the lack of a solid jumper. He's really good at driving to the hoop but when the defense collapse on him and he's not getting calls then he shuts down. With a solid jump shot the defense will have to respect that and he can blow by his opponents. |
Must be why he has that horrible shooting percentage. Bad jumper. |
His shooting % is helped a lot by his ability to make inside shots. He's also a good 3 point shooter. I'm referring to his mid range game or lack there of. If he can get that down, then he'll really be a threat offensively.
I sense a bit of sarcasm from your post, it must be because you think I'm some sort of Lin hater. I don't consider myself one, I just call it how I see it. You may agree or disagree, either way I'm fine with it. |
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angus
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| Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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| rtype wrote: | | fadeaway3 wrote: | | rtype wrote: | | fadeaway3 wrote: | | Lin needs a reliable jump shot then he'll be a complete offensive player. |
o rilly? |
Yes really! His inconsistency stems from the lack of a solid jumper. He's really good at driving to the hoop but when the defense collapse on him and he's not getting calls then he shuts down. With a solid jump shot the defense will have to respect that and he can blow by his opponents. |
are u a shooting coach? |
Lin was the #4 FG% PG in the NBA even before tonight's performance at halftime of 4/6, with much of that with the midrange jumpshot since they are packing the paint against him this year. Don't see the facts and stats backing you up on that point, nor in percentages from former years. He doesn't have the best handles of PG starters, but never a problem with his jumpers. |
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cyclo7
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Lin has all-star ability and is definitely a starting PG in this league. He just needs the right coach and the right system.
The people who think he's backup material couldn't be more wrong. |
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Reflexx
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| Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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| angus wrote: | | rtype wrote: | | fadeaway3 wrote: | | rtype wrote: | | fadeaway3 wrote: | | Lin needs a reliable jump shot then he'll be a complete offensive player. |
o rilly? |
Yes really! His inconsistency stems from the lack of a solid jumper. He's really good at driving to the hoop but when the defense collapse on him and he's not getting calls then he shuts down. With a solid jump shot the defense will have to respect that and he can blow by his opponents. |
are u a shooting coach? |
Lin was the #4 FG% PG in the NBA even before tonight's performance at halftime of 4/6, with much of that with the midrange jumpshot since they are packing the paint against him this year. Don't see the facts and stats backing you up on that point, nor in percentages from former years. He doesn't have the best handles of PG starters, but never a problem with his jumpers. |
Better not bring in stats. You wont be worth discussing with. |
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fadeaway3
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| Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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| angus wrote: | | rtype wrote: | | fadeaway3 wrote: | | rtype wrote: | | fadeaway3 wrote: | | Lin needs a reliable jump shot then he'll be a complete offensive player. |
o rilly? |
Yes really! His inconsistency stems from the lack of a solid jumper. He's really good at driving to the hoop but when the defense collapse on him and he's not getting calls then he shuts down. With a solid jump shot the defense will have to respect that and he can blow by his opponents. |
are u a shooting coach? |
Lin was the #4 FG% PG in the NBA even before tonight's performance at halftime of 4/6, with much of that with the midrange jumpshot since they are packing the paint against him this year. Don't see the facts and stats backing you up on that point, nor in percentages from former years. He doesn't have the best handles of PG starters, but never a problem with his jumpers. |
He does his scoring from really close or three point line. He had a ton of shots that counted as 2's with toe on the line in Houston. His mid-range game is lacking and its plain to see. I don't have an issue with his handles as I think its good enough. |
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Who Takes The Blame
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| cyclo7 wrote: | Lin has all-star ability and is definitely a starting PG in this league. He just needs the right coach and the right system.
The people who think he's backup material (because he's Asian) couldn't be more wrong. |
Lin has a lot of things to work on before he wants to become an all star |
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fafan
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| Who Takes The Blame wrote: | | cyclo7 wrote: | Lin has all-star ability and is definitely a starting PG in this league. He just needs the right coach and the right system.
The people who think he's backup material (because he's Asian) couldn't be more wrong. |
Lin has a lot of things to work on before he wants to become an all star |
Agree, Lin has the potential which becoming an all star.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| cyclo7 wrote: | Lin has all-star ability and is definitely a starting PG in this league. He just needs the right coach and the right system.
The people who think he's backup material (because he's Asian) couldn't be more wrong. |
No one has said he's a backup because he's asian please don't bring race into the convo. |
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azrael187
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Lin isn't a superstar who can succeed regardless of system. There are maybe 25 players in all the NBA like that and even then system does matter, look at Lebron this year.
Can Lin start on a championship contender? Yes he could, depending on the circumstances. The Bulls or the Pacers would love to have an aggressive playmaking guard that can stay on the court. If you swapped Kyrie Irving and Lin, it may actually play better to chemistry letting Love step into a bigger role.
But, he can't start on every contender. The guard position is stacked and while Lin is a decent two way player, he isn't winning match ups at his position on a night to night basis, but playing to a tie on good nights. He needs to be able to win those matchups definitively or negate the other PG consistently. The GS games he was a massive negative versus Curry, they'd have to make up something like 20 pts/10 asts.
Given his production he's a consistent secondary ballhandler and playmaker. Some nights he shows he could be more, but that isn't he who is yet. Given some tweaks I think he'll get there, but the NBA is a harsh mistress and he doesn't have that much time to figure it out. |
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madddogg
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| Who Takes The Blame wrote: | | cyclo7 wrote: | Lin has all-star ability and is definitely a starting PG in this league. He just needs the right coach and the right system.
The people who think he's backup material (because he's Asian) couldn't be more wrong. |
Lin has a lot of things to work on before he wants to become an all star |
agree that lin has a lot to work on, but if you look at linsanity era: right coach, right team mates, right system he would be and all star. |
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MJST
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| 13th Man wrote: | | zePokar wrote: | My conclusions are Lin has the skillset to be a star but doesn't play like one and isn't a particularly good fit next to a superstar since he isn't great off the ball and his defense and handles are average. Therefore he isn't starting for a contender.
He can be a starting point guard on a bad team though and have nights where he looks like a star but playing for a championship is another thing. |
You're entitled to your opinion but I've shown that 14 equal or lesser starting point guards have appeared in the finals in 15 years. |
By that logic you're basically saying Lin could start on a championship team if he's the 4th option in the starting lineup(trying to show Chalmers stats to argue your point or Fishers with the Lakers). In that case you'd be correct. |
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rtype
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 4:21 am Post subject: |
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| madddogg wrote: |
agree that lin has a lot to work on, but if you look at linsanity era: right coach, right team mates, right system he would be and all star. |
yea everything has to be perfectly setup or else he cant be an allstar lol  |
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HyperX
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 5:06 am Post subject: |
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| Reflexx wrote: | | fadeaway3 wrote: | | rtype wrote: | | fadeaway3 wrote: | | Lin needs a reliable jump shot then he'll be a complete offensive player. |
o rilly? |
Yes really! His inconsistency stems from the lack of a solid jumper. He's really good at driving to the hoop but when the defense collapse on him and he's not getting calls then he shuts down. With a solid jump shot the defense will have to respect that and he can blow by his opponents. |
Must be why he has that horrible shooting percentage. Bad jumper. |
 Jeremy needs to pick it up.
GIT a solid jump shot like Kobe and he can get somewhere close to Kobe's shooting percentage this season.
Because the midrange is the the most efficient shot in the NBA.
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kobetimeeverytime
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 5:07 am Post subject: |
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| angus wrote: | | rtype wrote: | | fadeaway3 wrote: | | rtype wrote: | | fadeaway3 wrote: | | Lin needs a reliable jump shot then he'll be a complete offensive player. |
o rilly? |
Yes really! His inconsistency stems from the lack of a solid jumper. He's really good at driving to the hoop but when the defense collapse on him and he's not getting calls then he shuts down. With a solid jump shot the defense will have to respect that and he can blow by his opponents. |
are u a shooting coach? |
Lin was the #4 FG% PG in the NBA even before tonight's performance at halftime of 4/6, with much of that with the midrange jumpshot since they are packing the paint against him this year. Don't see the facts and stats backing you up on that point, nor in percentages from former years. He doesn't have the best handles of PG starters, but never a problem with his jumpers. |
guy is deathly afraid to even take jumpers |
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HyperX
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 5:08 am Post subject: |
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| kobetimeeverytime wrote: | | angus wrote: | | rtype wrote: | | fadeaway3 wrote: | | rtype wrote: | | fadeaway3 wrote: | | Lin needs a reliable jump shot then he'll be a complete offensive player. |
o rilly? |
Yes really! His inconsistency stems from the lack of a solid jumper. He's really good at driving to the hoop but when the defense collapse on him and he's not getting calls then he shuts down. With a solid jump shot the defense will have to respect that and he can blow by his opponents. |
are u a shooting coach? |
Lin was the #4 FG% PG in the NBA even before tonight's performance at halftime of 4/6, with much of that with the midrange jumpshot since they are packing the paint against him this year. Don't see the facts and stats backing you up on that point, nor in percentages from former years. He doesn't have the best handles of PG starters, but never a problem with his jumpers. |
guy is deathly afraid to even take jumpers |
In the 4th it's like he was continually looking for Kobe, like Kobe would actually scream at him if he didn't do that. Seriously, that was uncharacteristic.
So weird. |
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HyperX
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 5:13 am Post subject: |
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| Rivershow wrote: | | cyclo7 wrote: | Lin has all-star ability and is definitely a starting PG in this league. He just needs the right coach and the right system.
The people who think he's backup material (because he's Asian) couldn't be more wrong. |
No one has said he's a backup because he's asian please don't bring race into the convo. |
Lin's a a turnover machine with 1 less turnover than Kobe this game. He needs to work on that and protect the ball better.
But it's obvious from his shooting percentage that Lin has a terrible shot and isn't starting point guard material over Fisher or Chalmers ever. His free throw percentage really needs a boost as well.
That's perfect foolproof logic. |
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HyperX
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| cyclo7 wrote: | Lin has all-star ability and is definitely a starting PG in this league. He just needs the right coach and the right system.
The people who think he's backup material couldn't be more wrong. |
The ASG is all about gaudy numbers. If Lin doesn't average at least 16-18 PPG and 6-8 assists, he won't be 'deemed' worthy. Even if you shoot at a 30% shooting percentage if you get 20 ppg, you're obviously an 'all-star'. |
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HyperX
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| zePokar wrote: | | Yeah if you think ppg and apg tell the whole story there there is really not much else to talk about. |
Great, so what stats would you choose? FG%, FT% and 3P%? Go for it. |
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13th Man
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 6:09 am Post subject: |
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| MJST wrote: | | 13th Man wrote: | | zePokar wrote: | My conclusions are Lin has the skillset to be a star but doesn't play like one and isn't a particularly good fit next to a superstar since he isn't great off the ball and his defense and handles are average. Therefore he isn't starting for a contender.
He can be a starting point guard on a bad team though and have nights where he looks like a star but playing for a championship is another thing. |
You're entitled to your opinion but I've shown that 14 equal or lesser starting point guards have appeared in the finals in 15 years. |
By that logic you're basically saying Lin could start on a championship team if he's the 4th option in the starting lineup(trying to show Chalmers stats to argue your point or Fishers with the Lakers). In that case you'd be correct. |
What about all the other pgs on the list, it's not just Chalmers and Fisher. . OP said that he couldn't play for a championship contender and I proved that in 15 years there have been 14 cases of equal or lesser players playing in the championship finals. I'm just stating the facts. As well, the Heat and Lakers should be discounted from being a true championship contending team because it doesn't suit the OP's agenda?
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bws94
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 6:11 am Post subject: |
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| Reflexx wrote: | | fadeaway3 wrote: | | rtype wrote: | | fadeaway3 wrote: | | Lin needs a reliable jump shot then he'll be a complete offensive player. |
o rilly? |
Yes really! His inconsistency stems from the lack of a solid jumper. He's really good at driving to the hoop but when the defense collapse on him and he's not getting calls then he shuts down. With a solid jump shot the defense will have to respect that and he can blow by his opponents. |
Must be why he has that horrible shooting percentage. Bad jumper. |
I'm scratching my head about the bad jump shot. He's been shooting the mid-range shot great. His 3 ball shot has been better than average. Where is this bad jumper? It isn't a quick shot, maybe he can work at getting it off quicker but he has at least a good jump shot. |
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bws94
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| HyperX wrote: | | Rivershow wrote: | | cyclo7 wrote: | Lin has all-star ability and is definitely a starting PG in this league. He just needs the right coach and the right system.
The people who think he's backup material (because he's Asian) couldn't be more wrong. |
No one has said he's a backup because he's asian please don't bring race into the convo. |
Lin's a a turnover machine with 1 less turnover than Kobe this game. He needs to work on that and protect the ball better.
But it's obvious from his shooting percentage that Lin has a terrible shot and isn't starting point guard material over Fisher or Chalmers ever. His free throw percentage really needs a boost as well.
That's perfect foolproof logic. |
How many TOs did Conley have last night? Looked to be around the same amount as Lin to me. How many steals? You know a steal can cancel out a TO. |
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13th Man
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 6:14 am Post subject: |
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| bws94 wrote: | | Reflexx wrote: | | fadeaway3 wrote: | | rtype wrote: | | fadeaway3 wrote: | | Lin needs a reliable jump shot then he'll be a complete offensive player. |
o rilly? |
Yes really! His inconsistency stems from the lack of a solid jumper. He's really good at driving to the hoop but when the defense collapse on him and he's not getting calls then he shuts down. With a solid jump shot the defense will have to respect that and he can blow by his opponents. |
Must be why he has that horrible shooting percentage. Bad jumper. |
I'm scratching my head about the bad jump shot. He's been shooting the mid-range shot great. His 3 ball shot has been better than average. Where is this bad jumper? It isn't a quick shot, maybe he can work at getting it off quicker but he has at least a good jump shot. |
His shooting is fine, the stats do not lie. If there's a couple of things to gripe about stat-wise, it would be his assist to TO ratio and his usage rate, especially in the 4th quarters. |
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bws94
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 6:18 am Post subject: |
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| 13th Man wrote: | | bws94 wrote: | | Reflexx wrote: | | fadeaway3 wrote: | | rtype wrote: | | fadeaway3 wrote: | | Lin needs a reliable jump shot then he'll be a complete offensive player. |
o rilly? |
Yes really! His inconsistency stems from the lack of a solid jumper. He's really good at driving to the hoop but when the defense collapse on him and he's not getting calls then he shuts down. With a solid jump shot the defense will have to respect that and he can blow by his opponents. |
Must be why he has that horrible shooting percentage. Bad jumper. |
I'm scratching my head about the bad jump shot. He's been shooting the mid-range shot great. His 3 ball shot has been better than average. Where is this bad jumper? It isn't a quick shot, maybe he can work at getting it off quicker but he has at least a good jump shot. |
His shooting is fine, the stats do not lie. If there's a couple of things to gripe about stat-wise, it would be his assist to TO ratio and his usage rate, especially in the 4th quarters. |
There's stuff to gripe about but why is someone saying he doesn't shoot a midrange well when the last 3 games it is his mid-range shot that he has been featuring and making?
To get assists others have to make shots. I think Lin would have higher assists with Ryan Anderson on the team, or Aldridge, or Clay Thompson. When Hill or Boozer are making their shots Lin's assists go up. He gets the ball to them fine, the assist comes if they make the shot. The bigs also miss some point-blank shots as well. But the stat is what it is, and I hope it improves. |
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