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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:26 am    Post subject:

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amazingly... Steve Kerr might actually be a good coach

Can he coach Klay and Steph into shooting unconsciousness?
Jury's still out. Let's see what happens in the playoffs when jacking up 3s doesn't work anymore. I see nothing different from the mark Jackson dubs.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:40 am    Post subject:

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I'm new as well, a pleasure to read your recaps DB!

I'm very impressed with Kobe's leadership on Lin, Randle etc. For some reason I've always had the impression of him being all about himself but becoming a genuine fan now.



Kobe has helped a number of guys over the years. He's said if a teammate isn't willing to put in the effort, then he doesn't have time for them. I think he sees a lot of potential from some guys on this team.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:46 am    Post subject:

Richmond wrote:
Good analysis DB. Was initially disappointed in the overall team play but as others have pointed out, the Warriors are an established playoff level group that is playing the same song over and over and tightening up the rhythm.
The Lakers are now 2 games into a completely new starting 5, as well as a new coach and system.


Yep, good analogy. Like I said, the Warriors know what they want to do. They know their identity and each other's strengths. Let's see if we can make any meaningful adjustments. Going to be tough.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 8:40 am    Post subject:

I'm hoping GS lowballs Klay so the Lakers can swoop in. He's got the skills worthy of a max player and has shown improvement every year.

GS is an offensive juggernaut. No surprise they lit us up, especially their 1st string vs our 2nd and 3rd strings.

Really liking Ed Davis.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 8:40 am    Post subject:

DJ Slik wrote:
Drifts wrote:
amazingly... Steve Kerr might actually be a good coach

Can he coach Klay and Steph into shooting unconsciousness?
Jury's still out. Let's see what happens in the playoffs when jacking up 3s doesn't work anymore. I see nothing different from the mark Jackson dubs.


I think they've got a bit more movement and flow under Steve Kerr than under the iso-heavier season last year with Mark Jackson. And, of course, there's expected improvement from young guys like Klay, as well as possibly better health from guys like Bogut.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 8:43 am    Post subject:

Klone_dd wrote:
I'm hoping GS lowballs Klay so the Lakers can swoop in. He's got the skills worthy of a max player and has shown improvement every year.

GS is an offensive juggernaut. No surprise they lit us up, especially their 1st string vs our 2nd and 3rd strings.

Really liking Ed Davis.


They weren't willing to trade Klay for Love, I doubt they'll let Klay get away. Even if they do lowball him, they'll probably match any offers even if it's higher. Klay won't be an unrestricted FA, so I doubt any team can grab him even if GS does lowball him.

I'm loving what Ed Davis is doing, too.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 9:13 am    Post subject:

I like Klay's game. He's still developing. But I still remember him getting scared of shooting the ball in the playoffs last year. He fizzled when the stakes got higher. He was good in the regular season. But the playoffs? So the jury is still out on him.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 9:21 am    Post subject:

Thanks as always DB. Sounds weird, but I hope you get a gig for LA Times. I think your thoughts and ratings should be in the sports page after every game.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 9:22 am    Post subject:

kentu_tiro wrote:
I like Klay's game. He's still developing. But I still remember him getting scared of shooting the ball in the playoffs last year. He fizzled when the stakes got higher. He was good in the regular season. But the playoffs? So the jury is still out on him.


Which is why FIBA will do wonders for him. I know USA cruised but he was playing some key minutes.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 9:59 am    Post subject:

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Drifts wrote:
amazingly... Steve Kerr might actually be a good coach


Steve Kerr inherited great players and is running what Jackson ran. Anybody can run that team with shooters and players like that. Basically spread the floor and kick out to shooters not much you can do when dudes can release the ball in 0.5 seconds and make it.


Is this the same "Phil Jax always had great players" debate again? Not saying Kerr has proven anything close to PJax, but sounds like we are penalizing him for picking a great team.


My point is that we don't know how good a coach Kerr is at this time, he's got an experienced assistant coach and a very good team that had playoff experience. It will take years and playoff success to know if he is a great coach or not.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 10:39 am    Post subject:

Eh; I just think Byron is taking the floor spacing too far. It's too radical--whereas D'Antoni only wanted us to take threes all day, by having no one take threes on our team, it's really killing our spacing. The Warriors know we don't have three point shooters in our configurations (Kobe and Lin are far preferred mid-range in type guys) so they just pack the paint. It's very easy, especially since we have to incorporate all the new guys and don't have the chemistry yet.

Wesley Johnson really needs to be aggressive at hunting down threes, because man, he's just invisible. Too bad it's just not in his mental makeup.

Wayne Ellington needs to get over his obsession of pulling up for mid-range J's (he can do it well) and just take threes all day with this team. We need complete specialists. He can hit those shots. James Jones your shot selection, don't Jason Kapono it. I'd also like to see Ryan Kelly back, with the idea that he should be able to stretch the floor like he did in Duke. We just need floor spacers, stat, to optimize our attacking guys.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 12:07 pm    Post subject:

jorkerjork wrote:
Eh; I just think Byron is taking the floor spacing too far. It's too radical--whereas D'Antoni only wanted us to take threes all day, by having no one take threes on our team, it's really killing our spacing. The Warriors know we don't have three point shooters in our configurations (Kobe and Lin are far preferred mid-range in type guys) so they just pack the paint. It's very easy, especially since we have to incorporate all the new guys and don't have the chemistry yet.

Wesley Johnson really needs to be aggressive at hunting down threes, because man, he's just invisible. Too bad it's just not in his mental makeup.

Wayne Ellington needs to get over his obsession of pulling up for mid-range J's (he can do it well) and just take threes all day with this team. We need complete specialists. He can hit those shots. James Jones your shot selection, don't Jason Kapono it. I'd also like to see Ryan Kelly back, with the idea that he should be able to stretch the floor like he did in Duke. We just need floor spacers, stat, to optimize our attacking guys.


one thing i noticed is that we are forcing things inside and reluctant to kick the ball out to shooter when the opportunities are there.

true, you don't want to jack up threes even when contested but when you have guys loaded up inside the key, especially when kobe has the ball down low, there are shooters ready to fire, with their man inside the key, just waiting for the ball. i think kobe and others need to recognize those opportunities a little more quickly.

our priority is attacking the basket, which is good and all. but we can't be stubborn about it when the defense is packing the paint. we have to be willing to kick the ball out and let wing players shoot the three.

our three point shooting was horrendous last night because a lot of them were contested and desperation, end of shot clock threes.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 12:59 pm    Post subject:

^ I think that collective court vision of the team should improve when they get more comfortable in the sets. There's definitely a lot of tunnel vision going on.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 5:12 pm    Post subject:

Over the week-end, they showed the classic Celtics/Lakers playoff game where Magic hit the game winning baby hook. Before that play, Worthy rotated and left Bird wide open for a 3 pointer. Last night, I saw us make the same mistake with Wes leaving a red hot Klay Thompson to guard some other player. I don't think you should ever leave a great shooter who's on fire like that. I don't know if Wes just blew the assignment or if that's how Byron taught them to play defense.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 5:14 pm    Post subject:

Thanks again DB
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 6:44 pm    Post subject:

DancingBarry wrote:

Yes, he has a few Nash-like skills in his game already. I wasn't saying Nash taught him that. Way too soon for Nash's influence to have ANY effect on Lin's game. Point was that Jeremy has some Nash in his game and after a full year of Nash's influence on his offense to grow that and Kobe in his ear on D, his game could mature quite a bit. Should be interesting.


Thanks for the summary and for looking at the glass half full when it comes to Lin.

Watching the screens Lin had to fight through and and the collision with Bogut makes me wonder if his body can make it to the end of the season injury free. Hopefully the physical toll looks worse than it is.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:26 pm    Post subject:

Thanks DB. Reading about losses isn't fun. Your analysis makes it a bit more palatable.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 9:05 am    Post subject:

Drifts wrote:
amazingly... Steve Kerr might actually be a good coach


I think he will be, but certainly having good players makes a lot of guys look like good coaches.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 10:05 am    Post subject: Lin is tough

Watching the screens Lin had to fight through and and the collision with Bogut makes me wonder if his body can make it to the end of the season injury free. Hopefully the physical toll looks worse than it is.[/quote]

Lin is no wimp or small fry at 6'3" 200 lbs. He gets banged and bloodied--nose, forehead as much as anyone, often not getting calls but it hasn't slowed him down yet.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 10:18 am    Post subject: Re: Lin is tough

catman2u wrote:
Watching the screens Lin had to fight through and and the collision with Bogut makes me wonder if his body can make it to the end of the season injury free. Hopefully the physical toll looks worse than it is.


Lin is no wimp or small fry at 6'3" 200 lbs. He gets banged and bloodied--nose, forehead as much as anyone, often not getting calls but it hasn't slowed him down yet.[/quote]

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 10:37 am    Post subject:

i don't understand why everbody is freaking out after this game. I mean, we're still building right? The clippers are a complete team, top 5 team in the west and they lost their first preseason game against the warriors by a wider margin than the lakers
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:59 am    Post subject:

AirShooter wrote:
DJ Slik wrote:
Drifts wrote:
amazingly... Steve Kerr might actually be a good coach

Can he coach Klay and Steph into shooting unconsciousness?
Jury's still out. Let's see what happens in the playoffs when jacking up 3s doesn't work anymore. I see nothing different from the mark Jackson dubs.


I think they've got a bit more movement and flow under Steve Kerr than under the iso-heavier season last year with Mark Jackson. And, of course, there's expected improvement from young guys like Klay, as well as possibly better health from guys like Bogut.


You are correct, sir. Kerr has installed a different offense emphasizing spacing and ball movement. They already look better than last year. If Curry was not on the court, scoring was problematic, because he is the only dominant iso player on the W's. As well as Bogut, Lee, and Iggy pass, and as well as that team defends, the only thing that should keep the W's from serious contention is a key injury. Even last year with Bogut, they would have beat the Clips, I think.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 10:09 am    Post subject:

Thanks DB.
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