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Yumyumcha
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Personally, taking 3 to 4 years to rebuild seems reasonable and the Lakers are only on year 2.
1. Purge the remaining high price players (Nash and Kobe left)
2. Start building the foundation with high draft choices. (Randall, Clarkson, this years draft)
3. Fill in with a couple of superstar free agents.
4. Get into the playoffs and let the team gel.
5. Win the Championship. |
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danzag
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| lakerboy wrote: | | danzag wrote: | | lakerboy wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | Lakers need to build thru the draft....
That means they need to concentrate all their efforts into getting the highest draft pick possible this season. Everything will fall into place once they can get a solid core of young players. |
that's the problem... they are not doing it |
No? Last time I checked our starting lineup was Sacre-Hill-Kelly-Ellington-Clarkson. |
no.. we still have hill, boozer and lin on our team, and i am pretty sure neither will be here next year (you can throw e.davis in too). so what's the point in keeping them?
giving up any of those players would make us worse.. in other words: maximize our chance |
You answered your question. We're not keeping them. They're not here next year. And that's why nobody will trade for them. |
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lakerboy
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| danzag wrote: | | lakerboy wrote: | | danzag wrote: | | lakerboy wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | Lakers need to build thru the draft....
That means they need to concentrate all their efforts into getting the highest draft pick possible this season. Everything will fall into place once they can get a solid core of young players. |
that's the problem... they are not doing it |
No? Last time I checked our starting lineup was Sacre-Hill-Kelly-Ellington-Clarkson. |
no.. we still have hill, boozer and lin on our team, and i am pretty sure neither will be here next year (you can throw e.davis in too). so what's the point in keeping them?
giving up any of those players would make us worse.. in other words: maximize our chance |
You answered your question. We're not keeping them. They're not here next year. And that's why nobody will trade for them. |
i was obviously talking about this year
and them not being here next year has nothing to do with them not being tradeable..
everyone knew dragic wouldn't be in phoenix next year, but guess what? he got traded  |
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kikanga
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| Troublesome626 wrote: | | Is it safe to say that only making our first round pick top five protected to PHX which now belongs to Philly is the worst of the two moves between letting Dwight walk for nothing? |
I bet they draft a Center if we lose our pick to them.
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JoJo Dancer
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| 32 wrote: | | Since somebody bumped this thread I need to vent a little bit. I hated that $48 million dollar contract extension the Lakers gave Kobe the day it was announced and I hate it even more now. That contract extension is a big reason why the Lakers franchise has been historically bad last season and this season. And I don't see any light at the end of the tunnel for next season. Kobe's basketball contract value for next year will be worth no more that $8-$10 million next year and that might be a little generous. |
I don't think his contract matters. The problem is way bigger than Kobe. We had money to sign people/retain people but they struck out. This current regime so far has shown they can't close on free agents. Then you add that we owe multiple future 1st rd picks and its a mess. This front office is behind on this new CBA and the computer geeks are 100 steps ahead of them. |
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Troublesome626
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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| kikanga wrote: | | Troublesome626 wrote: | | Is it safe to say that only making our first round pick top five protected to PHX which now belongs to Philly is the worst of the two moves between letting Dwight walk for nothing? |
I bet they draft a Center if we lose our pick to them. |
If they end up with our pick there possibilities of landing a good center & PG/Wing player are really good.  That PHX's trade has to be the worst decision the FO has made.
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venturalakersfan
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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| saetarubia wrote: | | Not sure Mitch can turn this around. Jerry West had the vision to get Kobe for Divac where as Mitch wasted 3 years of prime Kobe by assembling crap players around him. God knows how long that could have gone on had Kobe not put them under pressure and West gave us Gasol. Now there's no all time great like Kobe nor good trade assets like Gasol, Bynum. This will show what Mitch's real capabilities are. |
Kobe did not put the team under pressure to get Gasol, Bynum's injury did. And it was months after Kobe threw his tantrum. And Jerry West was nowhere near the Griz when the Gasol trade was made.
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Hector the Pup
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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| lakerboy wrote: | | danzag wrote: | | lakerboy wrote: | | danzag wrote: | | lakerboy wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | Lakers need to build thru the draft....
That means they need to concentrate all their efforts into getting the highest draft pick possible this season. Everything will fall into place once they can get a solid core of young players. |
that's the problem... they are not doing it |
No? Last time I checked our starting lineup was Sacre-Hill-Kelly-Ellington-Clarkson. |
no.. we still have hill, boozer and lin on our team, and i am pretty sure neither will be here next year (you can throw e.davis in too). so what's the point in keeping them?
giving up any of those players would make us worse.. in other words: maximize our chance |
You answered your question. We're not keeping them. They're not here next year. And that's why nobody will trade for them. |
i was obviously talking about this year
and them not being here next year has nothing to do with them not being tradeable..
everyone knew dragic wouldn't be in phoenix next year, but guess what? he got traded |
Last time I checked, the team has won one game in the last month or so. |
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lakerboy
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Hector the Pup wrote: |
Last time I checked, the team has won one game in the last month or so. |
i know.. but why not shoot for zero?!  |
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Bard207
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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| JoJo Dancer wrote: |
I don't think his contract matters. The problem is way bigger than Kobe. We had money to sign people/retain people but they struck out. This current regime so far has shown they can't close on free agents. Then you add that we owe multiple future 1st rd picks and its a mess. This front office is behind on this new CBA and the computer geeks are 100 steps ahead of them. |
Here is a link to the Speakers - Presenters at the upcoming Sloan Conference that will be next weekend:
List of speakers for the 2015 MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference. |
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angrypuppy
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Bard207 wrote: | | JoJo Dancer wrote: |
I don't think his contract matters. The problem is way bigger than Kobe. We had money to sign people/retain people but they struck out. This current regime so far has shown they can't close on free agents. Then you add that we owe multiple future 1st rd picks and its a mess. This front office is behind on this new CBA and the computer geeks are 100 steps ahead of them. |
Here is a link to the Speakers - Presenters at the upcoming Sloan Conference that will be next weekend:
List of speakers for the 2015 MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference. |
They should invite Charles Barkley as keynote speaker. |
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Kingpin2010
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Rivershow wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | Since somebody bumped this thread I need to vent a little bit. I hated that $48 million dollar contract extension the Lakers gave Kobe the day it was announced and I hate it even more now. That contract extension is a big reason why the Lakers franchise has been historically bad last season and this season. And I don't see any light at the end of the tunnel for next season. Kobe's basketball contract value for next year will be worth no more that $8-$10 million next year and that might be a little generous. |
If you want to look at it another way. Kobe's contract allowed us to not spend money on average free agents that would of kept the lakers middling. Instead the lakers signed scrubs on one year contracts and when Kobe got injured, we are able to tank for a top 5 pick. Which will be the fastest way to rebuild this team. |
What if Kobe's contract was a stealth tank move by the FO? It kind of makes sense. |
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JoJo Dancer
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Bard207 wrote: | | JoJo Dancer wrote: |
I don't think his contract matters. The problem is way bigger than Kobe. We had money to sign people/retain people but they struck out. This current regime so far has shown they can't close on free agents. Then you add that we owe multiple future 1st rd picks and its a mess. This front office is behind on this new CBA and the computer geeks are 100 steps ahead of them. |
Here is a link to the Speakers - Presenters at the upcoming Sloan Conference that will be next weekend:
List of speakers for the 2015 MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference. |
Rockets and Celtics well represented. No Lakers in sight. |
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K28
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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Kind of sad watching all these moves...and nothing for the Lakers. 
I dont' have any faith in this front office...their only plan is to tank harder. |
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kikanga
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Troublesome626 wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | Troublesome626 wrote: | | Is it safe to say that only making our first round pick top five protected to PHX which now belongs to Philly is the worst of the two moves between letting Dwight walk for nothing? |
I bet they draft a Center if we lose our pick to them. |
If they end up with our pick there possibilities of landing a good center & PG/Wing player are really good. That PHX's trade has to be the worst decision the FO has made. |
They have 3 centers already (Embiid, Noel, McGee). And two were taken in consecutive drafts after drafting and trading away Vucevic for bynum.
They need another Center in the draft the way we need another losing season...not at all.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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| JoJo Dancer wrote: | | Bard207 wrote: | | JoJo Dancer wrote: |
I don't think his contract matters. The problem is way bigger than Kobe. We had money to sign people/retain people but they struck out. This current regime so far has shown they can't close on free agents. Then you add that we owe multiple future 1st rd picks and its a mess. This front office is behind on this new CBA and the computer geeks are 100 steps ahead of them. |
Here is a link to the Speakers - Presenters at the upcoming Sloan Conference that will be next weekend:
List of speakers for the 2015 MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference. |
Rockets and Celtics well represented. No Lakers in sight. |
What do you mean? MDA is on the list of speakers  |
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Troublesome626
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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| kikanga wrote: | | Troublesome626 wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | Troublesome626 wrote: | | Is it safe to say that only making our first round pick top five protected to PHX which now belongs to Philly is the worst of the two moves between letting Dwight walk for nothing? |
I bet they draft a Center if we lose our pick to them. |
If they end up with our pick there possibilities of landing a good center & PG/Wing player are really good. That PHX's trade has to be the worst decision the FO has made. |
They have 3 centers already (Embiid, Noel, McGee). And two were taken in consecutive drafts after drafting and trading away Vucevic for bynum.
They need another Center in the draft the way we need another losing season...not at all. |
lol I don't think they care they just want the best players available they can always trade one of them and get a massive return. Can you image if they land Okafor Or Towns? They can trade Emiidd and get a huge package back.
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Omar Little
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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| kray28_ wrote: | Kind of sad watching all these moves...and nothing for the Lakers.
I dont' have any faith in this front office...their only plan is to tank harder. |
Yeah, I'd prefer if they softened up on the tank a bit, made it more sporting and all.
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lukewaltonsdad
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I think the FO did the right thing in staying the course. There was really nothing out there besides Dragic and we had very limited assets. The ones we do have I would hold onto myself i.e. Randle and Clarkson.
The only two teams that I see improving from all this movement are OKC and Portland. I thought those two GM's did a heck of a job. |
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lakersken80
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| 24 wrote: | | kray28_ wrote: | Kind of sad watching all these moves...and nothing for the Lakers.
I dont' have any faith in this front office...their only plan is to tank harder. |
Yeah, I'd prefer if they softened up on the tank a bit, made it more sporting and all. |
I just realized your icon was a toy tank.... |
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laker4life
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Yumyumcha wrote: | Personally, taking 3 to 4 years to rebuild seems reasonable and the Lakers are only on year 2.
1. Purge the remaining high price players (Nash and Kobe left)
2. Start building the foundation with high draft choices. (Randall, Clarkson, this years draft)
3. Fill in with a couple of superstar free agents.
4. Get into the playoffs and let the team gel.
5. Win the Championship. |
Sounds good on paper.
However, the problem is with the implementation of the plan.
Are you saying it is going to take another 3 to 4 years or we are in year 2 and we will compete next year (year 3) |
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Fruscas
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| Im struggling to find any reason at all to watch the Lakers this season. they didnt even brought any young players to develop on the season's second half. Hopefully they bring some d league studs soon. I dont know, its really pretty (bleep) ugly out there |
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Bard207
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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| JoJo Dancer wrote: |
Rockets and Celtics well represented. No Lakers in sight. |
No idea how to do it, but maybe we can find out if anyone from the Lakers will be in attendance. |
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JoJo Dancer
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| Bard207 wrote: | | JoJo Dancer wrote: |
Rockets and Celtics well represented. No Lakers in sight. |
No idea how to do it, but maybe we can find out if anyone from the Lakers will be in attendance. |
Can Jesse Buss even count? |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Bard207 wrote: | | JoJo Dancer wrote: |
Rockets and Celtics well represented. No Lakers in sight. |
No idea how to do it, but maybe we can find out if anyone from the Lakers will be in attendance. |
PM Luca |
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