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Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 1:59 pm Post subject:
Lamar Odom was a reigning 6th man of the year when he was traded.
Dude had one of the best seasons he's ever had, especially in terms of efficiency.
The Chris Paul trade "broke" Odom. If you believe Odom should be man enough to play no matter the team or circumstances, that's a different topic.
But its far from a guarantee Odom would've struggled the same way he did after the trade, if he stayed with us. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
Joined: 27 May 2010 Posts: 48596 Location: LA to the Bay
Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:00 pm Post subject:
22 wrote:
kobe_somebody_odom wrote:
22 wrote:
AllorNothing wrote:
44TheLogo wrote:
much as it is beating a dead horse, the root cause of the Lakers misfortunes is David Stern's veto of the Chris Paul trade. That veto set our franchise back about 5 or 6 years.
Pretty much sums it up . We went all in with Chris Paul and Howard and lost.
This. Mitch is a good GM. #1 IMO
Better than the Spurs? Heat? OKC? There are probably 20+ better GMs around the league. Mitch has literally done nothing but ride Shaq/Kobe and then Kobe to a lifetime career in the Lakers front office. His cap management sucks, his contract negotiations are not good... the Gasol trade is the only thing I can give him. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut..
I find it laughable that Jim Buss gets all blame but Mitch gets nothing but praise as a top GM in the league. This just cannot be possible when your team has sucked now for 4 straight years and still has no building block.
Lets look at the other teams that have sucked since 2011 and see who they have.
Phili - Promising young roster, tons of picks
Minn- Promising young roster, tons of picks
PHX- Promising young roster
Kings- They suck but much more promising talent than the Lakers
Bobcats- Promising young talent
Bucks - Truly suck but have Jabari, Giannis and JKidd
Jazz- Promising young talent and tons of picks
Lakers- Julius Randle, and complete garbage roster..
Hawks- Only team comparable to Lakers in roster trash
Have you noticed that no one has joined you in the Mitch bashing yet?
Lamar Odom was a reigning 6th man of the year when he was traded.
Dude had one of the best seasons he's ever had, especially in terms of efficiency.
The Chris Paul trade "broke" Odom. If you believe Odom should be man enough to play no matter the team or circumstances, that's a different topic.
But its far from a guarantee Odom would've struggled the same way he did after the trade, if he stayed with us.
I'm sure that played a part in it....hanging around with the Kardashians probably didn't help.
Signing D'Antoni over Phil because he would work better with a 38 year old Nash. So stupid. Even worse in retrospect when Nash got injured immediately a few games into the season.
None of the players liked him. Kobe wouldn't have been playing 48 minutes. Dwight said he might have stayed if Phil was here. Guessing Pau might have stayed. Not to mention the season itself would have been better.
Signing MDA was the worse and we are still suffering the effects of that decision.
KB was forced to play all of those minutes just to get into the playoffs and he suffered that injury.
Signing D'Antoni over Phil because he would work better with a 38 year old Nash. So stupid. Even worse in retrospect when Nash got injured immediately a few games into the season.
None of the players liked him. Kobe wouldn't have been playing 48 minutes. Dwight said he might have stayed if Phil was here. Guessing Pau might have stayed. Not to mention the season itself would have been better.
Signing MDA was the worse and we are still suffering the effects of that decision.
KB was forced to play all of those minutes just to get into the playoffs and he suffered that injury.
Yeah, all of that. And more than anything, it made the organization look weak by revealing a lack of unity and decisiveness in the front office. They didn't just hire D'Antoni over Phil, they humiliated Phil and themselves by making an offer and then pulling the offer before Phil could give them an answer. It solidified the popular opinion that Jim Buss doesn't know what he's doing and it's been all down hill from there.
much as it is beating a dead horse, the root cause of the Lakers misfortunes is David Stern's veto of the Chris Paul trade. That veto set our franchise back about 5 or 6 years.
Pretty much sums it up . We went all in with Chris Paul and Howard and lost.
This. Mitch is a good GM. #1 IMO
Better than the Spurs? Heat? OKC? There are probably 20+ better GMs around the league. Mitch has literally done nothing but ride Shaq/Kobe and then Kobe to a lifetime career in the Lakers front office. His cap management sucks, his contract negotiations are not good... the Gasol trade is the only thing I can give him. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut..
I find it laughable that Jim Buss gets all blame but Mitch gets nothing but praise as a top GM in the league. This just cannot be possible when your team has sucked now for 4 straight years and still has no building block.
Lets look at the other teams that have sucked since 2011 and see who they have.
Phili - Promising young roster, tons of picks
Minn- Promising young roster, tons of picks
PHX- Promising young roster
Kings- They suck but much more promising talent than the Lakers
Bobcats- Promising young talent
Bucks - Truly suck but have Jabari, Giannis and JKidd
Jazz- Promising young talent and tons of picks
Lakers- Julius Randle, and complete garbage roster..
Hawks- Only team comparable to Lakers in roster trash
Have you noticed that no one has joined you in the Mitch bashing yet?
When Jim leaves he needs to take Mitch with him he is just as pathetic as him. People on here continue to give him a pass because he got us Pau Gasol but his time is up. _________________
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Joined: 14 Apr 2001 Posts: 144432 Location: The Gold Coast
Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 8:22 pm Post subject:
Troublesome626 wrote:
When Jim leaves he needs to take Mitch with him he is just as pathetic as him. People on here continue to give him a pass because he got us Pau Gasol but his time is up.
Well, some of us like winning titles. And Mitch has brought us 4 of them. Only pathetic spoiled fans would complain about that. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
Signing D'Antoni over Phil because he would work better with a 38 year old Nash. So stupid. Even worse in retrospect when Nash got injured immediately a few games into the season.
None of the players liked him. Kobe wouldn't have been playing 48 minutes. Dwight said he might have stayed if Phil was here. Guessing Pau might have stayed. Not to mention the season itself would have been better.
Signing MDA was the worse and we are still suffering the effects of that decision.
KB was forced to play all of those minutes just to get into the playoffs and he suffered that injury.
Yeah, all of that. And more than anything, it made the organization look weak by revealing a lack of unity and decisiveness in the front office. They didn't just hire D'Antoni over Phil, they humiliated Phil and themselves by making an offer and then pulling the offer before Phil could give them an answer. It solidified the popular opinion that Jim Buss doesn't know what he's doing and it's been all down hill from there.
OMG....for the thousandth time....Phil was only coming to coach for the remainder of the season and then he wanted a job within the organization. Jerry Buss didn't want Phil in the FO.
When Jim leaves he needs to take Mitch with him he is just as pathetic as him. People on here continue to give him a pass because he got us Pau Gasol but his time is up.
Well, some of us like winning titles. And Mitch has brought us 4 of them. Only pathetic spoiled fans would complain about that.
Mitch and Jimbo are being out smarted by Sam Hinkie and this new era of GM's. Yes he did amazing things for us in that old NBA/CBA but it's a new game now and they don't know how to play it. Jimbo gave himself a time clock on when he would step down and Jeanie her self has said she is holding him to it. _________________
Joined: 15 Sep 2012 Posts: 29150 Location: La La Land
Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:08 pm Post subject:
Is it fair to say, if Phil was running bball operations for us we wouldn't be worried about keeping the top 5 pick. In NY, he traded away everyone valuable and sat Melo for the season early. Now they're the most likely to land the number 1 pick. Those two strategic moves could've been helpful for us.
Has anyone seen the movie sliding doors?
What Phil's doing in NY, it really shows what he'd be doing for us now.
But I still think Mitch and Jim could beat Phil out in the FA market the summer. And that's would be huge! _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
There was still a move to be made after the veto. Mitch could have traded Pau to Houston for Dragic and picks, but he sat back and did nothing. Bynum was arguably a top 8 player when we traded him and it wasn't just Bynum that we traded. We lost 2 picks as well. And Mitch couldn't convince Dwight to stay with LAL a year later. Dwight made it known around January that he wasn't going to stay and again that loser Mitch Kupchak sat back and did nothing. The Nets wanted him and so did Dallas. Mitch could have traded him to the Nets for the package the Celtics got for Pierce and KG. Dude sucks plain and simple. This is the same dude who traded FOUR PICKS FOR A 40 YEAR OLD STEVE NASH. f Mitch Kupchak. f him.
Is it fair to say, if Phil was running bball operations for us we wouldn't be worried about keeping the top 5 pick. In NY, he traded away everyone valuable and sat Melo for the season early. Now they're the most likely to land the number 1 pick. Those two strategic moves could've been helpful for us.
Has anyone seen the movie sliding doors?
What Phil's doing in NY, it really shows what he'd be doing for us now.
But I still think Mitch and Jim could beat Phil out in the FA market the summer. And that's would be huge!
Best coach in the NBA history in the biggest market in the country and arguably most famous/best city in world is gonna be tough to beat
I am all for bashing Jimbo because the Brown and Dumbtoni coaching hiring decisions were on his watch.
On the other hand, Mitch has done good bringing in good talent (Artest, Pau) and role players, and rebuilding the Shaqless Lakers. Now, he is slowly rebuilding the end of the Kobe era. Mitch tried to wave his magic wand and go all in with Nash and DH after the Stern veto debacle and it did not work. However, Randle and Clarkson look like the real deal. Once salary cap room is made, Mitch is on the clock to see what free agents he can bring in. _________________ Ahhhh, those were the days...time for a new beginning!
Signing D'Antoni over Phil because he would work better with a 38 year old Nash. So stupid. Even worse in retrospect when Nash got injured immediately a few games into the season.
None of the players liked him. Kobe wouldn't have been playing 48 minutes. Dwight said he might have stayed if Phil was here. Guessing Pau might have stayed. Not to mention the season itself would have been better.
Signing MDA was the worse and we are still suffering the effects of that decision.
KB was forced to play all of those minutes just to get into the playoffs and he suffered that injury.
Yeah, all of that. And more than anything, it made the organization look weak by revealing a lack of unity and decisiveness in the front office. They didn't just hire D'Antoni over Phil, they humiliated Phil and themselves by making an offer and then pulling the offer before Phil could give them an answer. It solidified the popular opinion that Jim Buss doesn't know what he's doing and it's been all down hill from there.
OMG....for the thousandth time....Phil was only coming to coach for the remainder of the season and then he wanted a job within the organization. Jerry Buss didn't want Phil in the FO.
Who cares what he wanted. Hiring MDA over Phil was a disaster. Look at our record and the state of this franchise.
Look at the comments from other sport's writers. There is a very few minority that agree with your position. The overwhelming majority of fans, sport's writers and media personalities believe that hiring MDA was a mistake.
Personally, if hiring Phil would have brought us another ring, I would support it. However, no one can conclusively state that would not happen. We can only look at the facts in front of us and this organization is presently in a bad state.
Phil would have brought continuity which is so valuable in a sport's franchise.
When Jim leaves he needs to take Mitch with him he is just as pathetic as him. People on here continue to give him a pass because he got us Pau Gasol but his time is up.
Well, some of us like winning titles. And Mitch has brought us 4 of them. Only pathetic spoiled fans would complain about that.
Mitch and Jimbo are being out smarted by Sam Hinkie and this new era of GM's. Yes he did amazing things for us in that old NBA/CBA but it's a new game now and they don't know how to play it. Jimbo gave himself a time clock on when he would step down and Jeanie her self has said she is holding him to it.
I am not sure about Hinkie yet. He has not proven anything yet. I would look at the GMs behind the organizations which are winning presently rather than the 76ers.
There was still a move to be made after the veto. Mitch could have traded Pau to Houston for Dragic and picks, but he sat back and did nothing. Bynum was arguably a top 8 player when we traded him and it wasn't just Bynum that we traded. We lost 2 picks as well. And Mitch couldn't convince Dwight to stay with LAL a year later. Dwight made it known around January that he wasn't going to stay and again that loser Mitch Kupchak sat back and did nothing. The Nets wanted him and so did Dallas. Mitch could have traded him to the Nets for the package the Celtics got for Pierce and KG. Dude sucks plain and simple. This is the same dude who traded FOUR PICKS FOR A 40 YEAR OLD STEVE NASH. f Mitch Kupchak. f him.
Pretty sure Jimbo had a big part in making those decisions too though...is there any good GM's out there that's available to replace Mitch? he gotta go too.
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