Joined: 16 Apr 2001 Posts: 12225 Location: Pasadena, CA
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 6:17 am Post subject:
Dude, really? Watch Pau in Chicago and you will be eating those words. He helped win two championships. We wouldn't have those last two without him. Remember, he was dangled like a carrot these last couple years with every trade scenario possible. That is why he left......where is the loyalty. He wanted change, you can't blame him. I, like many, will stand up when he comes to Staples and cheer him on. He was a class act and had to deal with stupid coaches, and a dumb ownership team that treated him a bit like crap.
Pau might not be an enforcer but he's got skills that very few big men have ever possessed. Perhaps you don't recall. Watch some highlight films.
Lakers_Jester wrote:
Hell no I wouldn't want pau. That dude was a pathetic excuse for a man. I rather have the more mobile, natural pick n roll/pop big, for today's nba than a low post scorer with no mobility (unless we're running the triangle). Not to mention boozer actually plays with energy and has an honest attitude, not anything like Paus anemic efforts, fake hustle, and general whininess. Dude's soft. It's a shame because he's very talented but it's only worth sacrificing his weaknesses for within the triangle because those are where his talents actually shine brightest. In today's nba I'll take the mobile big over the low post operator unless I'm the knicks.
Please don't compare Paus stats to Boozer's either, because pau was always a 1st to 2nd (isolation) option on the lakers, whom was featured entirely differently than how boozer was in chicago.
Dude, really? Watch Pau in Chicago and you will be eating those words. He helped win two championships. We wouldn't have those last two without him. Remember, he was dangled like a carrot these last couple years with every trade scenario possible. That is why he left......where is the loyalty. He wanted change, you can't blame him. I, like many, will stand up when he comes to Staples and cheer him on. He was a class act and had to deal with stupid coaches, and a dumb ownership team that treated him a bit like crap.
Pau might not be an enforcer but he's got skills that very few big men have ever possessed. Perhaps you don't recall. Watch some highlight films.
Lakers_Jester wrote:
Hell no I wouldn't want pau. That dude was a pathetic excuse for a man. I rather have the more mobile, natural pick n roll/pop big, for today's nba than a low post scorer with no mobility (unless we're running the triangle). Not to mention boozer actually plays with energy and has an honest attitude, not anything like Paus anemic efforts, fake hustle, and general whininess. Dude's soft. It's a shame because he's very talented but it's only worth sacrificing his weaknesses for within the triangle because those are where his talents actually shine brightest. In today's nba I'll take the mobile big over the low post operator unless I'm the knicks.
Please don't compare Paus stats to Boozer's either, because pau was always a 1st to 2nd (isolation) option on the lakers, whom was featured entirely differently than how boozer was in chicago.
That's fine, and yes pau brought us chips and I will always be grateful for that but after that mavs series where phil punched him, he's never been the same. I'm talking about now and recently, not 4 yrs ago. pau is wack and the fact you have to make excuses to defend pau (dealing with trade rumors, bad coaches, etc) just further supports my argument about his attitude, energy, softness, excuses, sensitivity, general whininess, injury proneness, etc. If he was so good it seems odd that he'd always be on the trading block. Wouldn't a team normally want to keep a player if he was so good or hushed the criticisms?
Anyway just my opinion obviously people will disagree but that's my take.
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 8:02 am Post subject:
Lakers_Jester wrote:
anth2000 wrote:
Dude, really? Watch Pau in Chicago and you will be eating those words. He helped win two championships. We wouldn't have those last two without him. Remember, he was dangled like a carrot these last couple years with every trade scenario possible. That is why he left......where is the loyalty. He wanted change, you can't blame him. I, like many, will stand up when he comes to Staples and cheer him on. He was a class act and had to deal with stupid coaches, and a dumb ownership team that treated him a bit like crap.
Pau might not be an enforcer but he's got skills that very few big men have ever possessed. Perhaps you don't recall. Watch some highlight films.
Lakers_Jester wrote:
Hell no I wouldn't want pau. That dude was a pathetic excuse for a man. I rather have the more mobile, natural pick n roll/pop big, for today's nba than a low post scorer with no mobility (unless we're running the triangle). Not to mention boozer actually plays with energy and has an honest attitude, not anything like Paus anemic efforts, fake hustle, and general whininess. Dude's soft. It's a shame because he's very talented but it's only worth sacrificing his weaknesses for within the triangle because those are where his talents actually shine brightest. In today's nba I'll take the mobile big over the low post operator unless I'm the knicks.
Please don't compare Paus stats to Boozer's either, because pau was always a 1st to 2nd (isolation) option on the lakers, whom was featured entirely differently than how boozer was in chicago.
That's fine, and yes pau brought us chips and I will always be grateful for that but after that mavs series where phil punched him, he's never been the same. I'm talking about now and recently, not 4 yrs ago. pau is wack and the fact you have to make excuses to defend pau (dealing with trade rumors, bad coaches, etc) just further supports my argument about his attitude, energy, softness, excuses, sensitivity, general whininess, injury proneness, etc. If he was so good it seems odd that he'd always be on the trading block. Wouldn't a team normally want to keep a player if he was so good or hushed the criticisms?
Anyway just my opinion obviously people will disagree but that's my take.
Eh. Pau's reputation has been living off stuff he did from 2008-2010. Can't really blame him for leaving an organization which kept trying to dump him, but at the same time, can't blame the organization for trying to dump him. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
It's early, right ? While most of us anticipated seeing the team experience a net loss of interior scoring punch simply from Pau's departure and Boozer's arrival. There's still time in the early regular season to see just how effective both Randle and Jordan Hill can become near the hoop, in their own ways.
Sad, our only big that score inside is Ed Davis. Hill's back to the basket moves are erratic. Not sure why Byron has him at the FT line in a set offense.
The only bad thing about Pau leaving we got nothing in return. he took less money to win. I would keep him for the MLE. But that wasn't going to happen the way his situation played out with FO, stringing him along. Shoulda got maximum return 3 years ago... Drummond.
Dude, really? Watch Pau in Chicago and you will be eating those words. He helped win two championships. We wouldn't have those last two without him. Remember, he was dangled like a carrot these last couple years with every trade scenario possible. That is why he left......where is the loyalty. He wanted change, you can't blame him. I, like many, will stand up when he comes to Staples and cheer him on. He was a class act and had to deal with stupid coaches, and a dumb ownership team that treated him a bit like crap.
Pau might not be an enforcer but he's got skills that very few big men have ever possessed. Perhaps you don't recall. Watch some highlight films.
Lakers_Jester wrote:
Hell no I wouldn't want pau. That dude was a pathetic excuse for a man. I rather have the more mobile, natural pick n roll/pop big, for today's nba than a low post scorer with no mobility (unless we're running the triangle). Not to mention boozer actually plays with energy and has an honest attitude, not anything like Paus anemic efforts, fake hustle, and general whininess. Dude's soft. It's a shame because he's very talented but it's only worth sacrificing his weaknesses for within the triangle because those are where his talents actually shine brightest. In today's nba I'll take the mobile big over the low post operator unless I'm the knicks.
Please don't compare Paus stats to Boozer's either, because pau was always a 1st to 2nd (isolation) option on the lakers, whom was featured entirely differently than how boozer was in chicago.
I, too, will cheer for Pau during the player intros but after that all bets are OFF!!
Joined: 14 Apr 2001 Posts: 144475 Location: The Gold Coast
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 9:36 am Post subject:
calistrtballr wrote:
front office f'd up in ruining relationship with pau. We have midget C's/PF's with no post games whatsoever. And no wing players that can hit 3's. All we can hope for is giving maximum effort in competing for a top 5 pick
Interesting, I don't recall there being an issue between Pau and the FO. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
Joined: 14 Apr 2001 Posts: 144475 Location: The Gold Coast
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 9:37 am Post subject:
anth2000 wrote:
Dude, really? Watch Pau in Chicago and you will be eating those words. He helped win two championships. We wouldn't have those last two without him. Remember, he was dangled like a carrot these last couple years with every trade scenario possible. That is why he left......where is the loyalty. He wanted change, you can't blame him. I, like many, will stand up when he comes to Staples and cheer him on. He was a class act and had to deal with stupid coaches, and a dumb ownership team that treated him a bit like crap.
Pau might not be an enforcer but he's got skills that very few big men have ever possessed. Perhaps you don't recall. Watch some highlight films.
Lakers_Jester wrote:
Hell no I wouldn't want pau. That dude was a pathetic excuse for a man. I rather have the more mobile, natural pick n roll/pop big, for today's nba than a low post scorer with no mobility (unless we're running the triangle). Not to mention boozer actually plays with energy and has an honest attitude, not anything like Paus anemic efforts, fake hustle, and general whininess. Dude's soft. It's a shame because he's very talented but it's only worth sacrificing his weaknesses for within the triangle because those are where his talents actually shine brightest. In today's nba I'll take the mobile big over the low post operator unless I'm the knicks.
Please don't compare Paus stats to Boozer's either, because pau was always a 1st to 2nd (isolation) option on the lakers, whom was featured entirely differently than how boozer was in chicago.
The only trade scenario the Laker FO was interested in was CP3, otherwise they said no to every other proposal. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
even if we are undersized we shouldnt be taking so many mid range shots, wesley should never be allowed to step on thecourt other than for defensive purposes.
we have no one other than kobe who can force the issue,either score or get to the line mentality, maybe randle but scott wont play him.
also notice how our offense is one pass, and a shot. never more than 1 pass before the shot.
PG.lin
SG.ellinton
SF.kobe
PF.randle
C.davis
kobe on the low post, randle around the elbow, lin p&r w davis
how is randle supposed to work on his weaknesses if he doesnt get enough PT to know what they are
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 12:23 pm Post subject: Re: We need a big that tries to score inside
Kobe2Clark wrote:
The floor is totally unbalanced with zero 3pt-shooters and zero inside presence. The mid-range shot is the goto move for 85% of this team even though the transition D is so bad
I can't believe it but it's like we have LESS talent than last year even with Kobe
PS: Boozer and Hill do not compliment each other AT ALL
Pau was a big part of the team's inside presence. If we kept Pau and added Davis to start I think we'd be better off. Should have given Pau 13M per and tell Hill to choose some other team or take 6m.
They tried, but Pau said no.
Not $13 million.
What I read is that they offered him $9-10 million, and that was as an afterthought, after they whiffed on every other free agent. So, truthfully, they didn't REALLY try.
Pau was a big part of the team's inside presence. If we kept Pau and added Davis to start I think we'd be better off. Should have given Pau 13M per and tell Hill to choose some other team or take 6m.
They tried, but Pau said no.
Not $13 million.
What I read is that they offered him $9-10 million, and that was as an afterthought, after they whiffed on every other free agent. So, truthfully, they didn't REALLY try.
"Hey Pau, we've got some salary money we've got to spend on someone, you want it? No? Maybe we can overpay Jordan Hill with it then!"
Pau was a big part of the team's inside presence. If we kept Pau and added Davis to start I think we'd be better off. Should have given Pau 13M per and tell Hill to choose some other team or take 6m.
They tried, but Pau said no.
Not $13 million.
What I read is that they offered him $9-10 million, and that was as an afterthought, after they whiffed on every other free agent. So, truthfully, they didn't REALLY try.
Pau was a big part of the team's inside presence. If we kept Pau and added Davis to start I think we'd be better off. Should have given Pau 13M per and tell Hill to choose some other team or take 6m.
They tried, but Pau said no.
Not $13 million.
What I read is that they offered him $9-10 million, and that was as an afterthought, after they whiffed on every other free agent. So, truthfully, they didn't REALLY try.
Pau was a big part of the team's inside presence. If we kept Pau and added Davis to start I think we'd be better off. Should have given Pau 13M per and tell Hill to choose some other team or take 6m.
They tried, but Pau said no.
Not $13 million.
What I read is that they offered him $9-10 million, and that was as an afterthought, after they whiffed on every other free agent. So, truthfully, they didn't REALLY try.
He wouldn't have taken $13M.
I agree
And let's assume in some alternate world that he would have.
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 1:06 pm Post subject:
I kinda wish the thread would turn into an unofficial Pau Gasol appreciation thread. That way Voices could crash the party and dump on Pau.
I always disagree with Voices when it comes to Pau, but it's funny and entertaining reading his POV on the subject. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
An inside out game is essential in this league in order to be successful. If you don't have it, you can't win, I don't care how good you are or shoot from the outside. Rebounding and defending the rim are two of the biggest components to winning a championship in this league.
I'm not so giddy about Pau, but he did provide that for us when he was here. His best years might be behind him, the Lakers should look to find a suitable replacement, because right now, they don't have one.
An inside out game is essential in this league in order to be successful. If you don't have it, you can't win, I don't care how good you are or shoot from the outside. Rebounding and defending the rim are two of the biggest components to winning a championship in this league.
I'm not so giddy about Pau, but he did provide that for us when he was here. His best years might be behind him, the Lakers should look to find a suitable replacement, because right now, they don't have one.
I agree. Just because we need inside presence doesn't mean pau would have been the answer to that need on this team without sacrificing for his other deficiencies. I used to think solid bigs in this league were tough to find, but with decline of skilled bigs and heavy reliance on the point guard, solid bigs aren't that hard to come across and develop with the basics while compensating with a good pg.
Joined: 14 Apr 2001 Posts: 144475 Location: The Gold Coast
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:02 pm Post subject:
diando wrote:
Pau was a big part of the team's inside presence. If we kept Pau and added Davis to start I think we'd be better off. Should have given Pau 13M per and tell Hill to choose some other team or take 6m.
What Pau or Hill made had no bearing on how much the other could be paid. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
Pau was a big part of the team's inside presence. If we kept Pau and added Davis to start I think we'd be better off. Should have given Pau 13M per and tell Hill to choose some other team or take 6m.
They tried, but Pau said no.
Not $13 million.
What I read is that they offered him $9-10 million, and that was as an afterthought, after they whiffed on every other free agent. So, truthfully, they didn't REALLY try.
He wouldn't have taken $13M.
I agree
Then F him. Would rather have someone play that wants to be here. Front office didn't really have many options here. Maybe Stephenson could've been had, but really the realistic scenario's were pretty dim.
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