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j-wolf
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BS has the heart, but just lacks wits. Bad coach choice. Might just well let Kobe run the team.
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| Voices wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | The starting lineup for the Indiana Pacers is...
PG: Donald Sloan
SG: Solomon Hill
SF: Chris Copeland
PF: Luis Scola
C: Roy Hibbert
They are 6-8, including wins @ Chicago, @ Dallas, @ Miami.
Just some food for thought the next time you wonder how anyone could possibly ever win a game with Kobe Bryant, Jeremy Lin, Nick Young, Jordan Hill, Ed Davis, etc. |
Copeland won the Eastern Conference Rookie of the Month award in April. In 2012–13, Copeland averaged 8.7 points per game, and despite not being named to an NBA All-Rookie Team, he still managed to tie Harrison Barnes at sixth place in the NBA Rookie of the Year voting (with 8 points each).[8]
Solomon in his senior season, he was named to the All-Pac-12 first team and the NABC All-District 20 first team for the second straight year. He was also a USBWA all-District IX first team honoree and the winner of the Sapphire Award, given to Arizona's male athlete of the year. In 35 games (all starts), he averaged 13.4 points, 5.3 rebounds, 2.7 assists and 1.1 steals in 33.0 minutes per game.[1][2] In December 2012, he was awarded the MVP of the 2012 Diamond Head Classic after averaging 12.0 points, 5.0 rebounds and 2.3 assists in the three games.[1]
Whatever the reason, Sloan, typically a backup guard, proved he could step into the hole left by the absence of George Hill and C.J. Watson with 16 points, 10 rebounds and six assists in the Pacers' home-opening win.
All three are not just bench fillers they can play, Indiana selected players that have can step in and help.
Just add Randle and Young to the Lakers rotation and maybe we have two more wins... injuries to Kelly Randle Henry and Nick have been devastating. Randle and Nick and Kelly at the three should of been a starters. I don't care that Nick is not a point, Kobe can play the point. The Lakers have had horrible luck, plus they play on the west. There is no doubt that Indiana has a better player personal employees, add that to the situation as well.
Look at Cle, under 500 with James, lrving and Love |
Wow, that explanation was honestly a little embarrassing for Laker fans and Kobe. Imagine Kobe trying using the same excuse... "You know who Soloman is? USBWA all-District IX first team honoree! He's knocking on the door man. He's right there with me, MJ, Magic and Bird. And Copeland, dude won rookie of the month once!!!! And Donald Sloan, I've never heard of him, but anytime you share the same last name with Jerry, you must be one tough mother-effer!"
As for Cleveland, you know where they're heading eventually, and we know where the Lakers are heading eventually as well and that's in opposite directions. Bron started slow, but look how he's warming up and his FG% is starting to get back to normal. Kobe is looking like 38% for the season, and with his shot selection, has a great chance of dipping further. |
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| j-wolf wrote: | | BS has the heart, but just lacks wits. Bad coach choice. Might just well let Kobe run the team. |
He is. Kobe's like the smart kid in the physics class taught by a below average intelligence teacher.
Ranking BBIQ (not always related to on court production)
Phil Jackson - 190
Kobe - 180
Lin - 130
Byron - ~100
Jordan Hill - 70
That's the scale you're working with, from genius level to pretty darn dumb in terms of basketball basics. That's why Phil could coach Kobe, he was smarter than him at basketball. Kobe might not be a good coach, but he knows he's smarter than Byron. Byron knows it and so he unconsciously defers to him despite his better judgement. You have to when you're that lacking in comparison to your top player. |
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tonman
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| Don Draper wrote: | | j-wolf wrote: | | BS has the heart, but just lacks wits. Bad coach choice. Might just well let Kobe run the team. |
He is. Kobe's like the smart kid in the physics class taught by a below average intelligence teacher.
Ranking BBIQ (not always related to on court production)
Phil Jackson - 190
Kobe - 180
Lin - 130
Byron - ~100
Jordan Hill - 70
That's the scale you're working with, from genius level to pretty darn dumb in terms of basketball basics. That's why Phil could coach Kobe, he was smarter than him at basketball. Kobe might not be a good coach, but he knows he's smarter than Byron. Byron knows it and so he unconsciously defers to him despite his better judgement. You have to when you're that lacking in comparison to your top player. |
I seriously doubt Kobe's BBIQ is that high. Otherwise, we wouldn't be seeing what we are seeing. BBIQ means doing the right thing even though it may not turn out the way you want it. Kobe's not doing the right things therefore he's got a much lower BBIQ than what you've listed. |
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| tonman wrote: | | Don Draper wrote: | | j-wolf wrote: | | BS has the heart, but just lacks wits. Bad coach choice. Might just well let Kobe run the team. |
He is. Kobe's like the smart kid in the physics class taught by a below average intelligence teacher.
Ranking BBIQ (not always related to on court production)
Phil Jackson - 190
Kobe - 180
Lin - 130
Byron - ~100
Jordan Hill - 70
That's the scale you're working with, from genius level to pretty darn dumb in terms of basketball basics. That's why Phil could coach Kobe, he was smarter than him at basketball. Kobe might not be a good coach, but he knows he's smarter than Byron. Byron knows it and so he unconsciously defers to him despite his better judgement. You have to when you're that lacking in comparison to your top player. |
I seriously doubt Kobe's BBIQ is that high. Otherwise, we wouldn't be seeing what we are seeing. BBIQ means doing the right thing even though it may not turn out the way you want it. Kobe's not doing the right things therefore he's got a much lower BBIQ than what you've listed. |
You put a high IQ physics student in front of a class and you may not like the results either. That's the analogy I was getting at. |
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| Voices wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | The starting lineup for the Indiana Pacers is...
PG: Donald Sloan
SG: Solomon Hill
SF: Chris Copeland
PF: Luis Scola
C: Roy Hibbert
They are 6-8, including wins @ Chicago, @ Dallas, @ Miami.
Just some food for thought the next time you wonder how anyone could possibly ever win a game with Kobe Bryant, Jeremy Lin, Nick Young, Jordan Hill, Ed Davis, etc. |
Copeland won the Eastern Conference Rookie of the Month award in April. In 2012–13, Copeland averaged 8.7 points per game, and despite not being named to an NBA All-Rookie Team, he still managed to tie Harrison Barnes at sixth place in the NBA Rookie of the Year voting (with 8 points each).[8]
Solomon in his senior season, he was named to the All-Pac-12 first team and the NABC All-District 20 first team for the second straight year. He was also a USBWA all-District IX first team honoree and the winner of the Sapphire Award, given to Arizona's male athlete of the year. In 35 games (all starts), he averaged 13.4 points, 5.3 rebounds, 2.7 assists and 1.1 steals in 33.0 minutes per game.[1][2] In December 2012, he was awarded the MVP of the 2012 Diamond Head Classic after averaging 12.0 points, 5.0 rebounds and 2.3 assists in the three games.[1]
Whatever the reason, Sloan, typically a backup guard, proved he could step into the hole left by the absence of George Hill and C.J. Watson with 16 points, 10 rebounds and six assists in the Pacers' home-opening win.
All three are not just bench fillers they can play, Indiana selected players that have can step in and help.
Just add Randle and Young to the Lakers rotation and maybe we have two more wins... injuries to Kelly Randle Henry and Nick have been devastating. Randle and Nick and Kelly at the three should of been a starters. I don't care that Nick is not a point, Kobe can play the point. The Lakers have had horrible luck, plus they play on the west. There is no doubt that Indiana has a better player personal employees, add that to the situation as well.
Look at Cle, under 500 with James, lrving and Love |
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| Sloan was also cut by Byron on the Cavs (for good reason though- to make room for Livingston). |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | Voices wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | The starting lineup for the Indiana Pacers is...
PG: Donald Sloan
SG: Solomon Hill
SF: Chris Copeland
PF: Luis Scola
C: Roy Hibbert
They are 6-8, including wins @ Chicago, @ Dallas, @ Miami.
Just some food for thought the next time you wonder how anyone could possibly ever win a game with Kobe Bryant, Jeremy Lin, Nick Young, Jordan Hill, Ed Davis, etc. |
Copeland won the Eastern Conference Rookie of the Month award in April. In 2012–13, Copeland averaged 8.7 points per game, and despite not being named to an NBA All-Rookie Team, he still managed to tie Harrison Barnes at sixth place in the NBA Rookie of the Year voting (with 8 points each).[8]
Solomon in his senior season, he was named to the All-Pac-12 first team and the NABC All-District 20 first team for the second straight year. He was also a USBWA all-District IX first team honoree and the winner of the Sapphire Award, given to Arizona's male athlete of the year. In 35 games (all starts), he averaged 13.4 points, 5.3 rebounds, 2.7 assists and 1.1 steals in 33.0 minutes per game.[1][2] In December 2012, he was awarded the MVP of the 2012 Diamond Head Classic after averaging 12.0 points, 5.0 rebounds and 2.3 assists in the three games.[1]
Whatever the reason, Sloan, typically a backup guard, proved he could step into the hole left by the absence of George Hill and C.J. Watson with 16 points, 10 rebounds and six assists in the Pacers' home-opening win.
All three are not just bench fillers they can play, Indiana selected players that have can step in and help.
Just add Randle and Young to the Lakers rotation and maybe we have two more wins... injuries to Kelly Randle Henry and Nick have been devastating. Randle and Nick and Kelly at the three should of been a starters. I don't care that Nick is not a point, Kobe can play the point. The Lakers have had horrible luck, plus they play on the west. There is no doubt that Indiana has a better player personal employees, add that to the situation as well.
Look at Cle, under 500 with James, lrving and Love |
I know the Lakers don't have any USBWA all-District IX first team honorees or winners of the Sapphire award on the roster, but I think it's pretty clear that we've had more talent on the floor than the Pacers have thus far, and by a pretty significant margin.
Coaching matters. |
The Lakers having a significant amount of talent over anyone is a reach. Sure Tibs is a a fine coach but he has done nothing without Rose. You have to have talent to win in the NBA then coaching and coaching is a distant second. And what about Noah, his bio say's he has played in 12 games?
I guess the new Cle coach really sucks, a coach that many on this site wanted, he can't win with 2 superstars and a potential 3rd plus a few others on that team are very good players. Many think that Cle will get it together and have a great season, I think that their talent will eventually take over and they will be a factor in the east.
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The Lakers having a significant amount of talent over anyone is a reach. Sure Tibs is a a fine coach but he has done nothing without Rose. You have to have talent to win in the NBA then coaching and coaching is a distant second. And what about Noah, his bio say's he has played in 12 games?
I guess the new Cle coach really sucks, a coach that many on this site wanted, he can't win with 2 superstars and a potential 3rd plus a few others on that team are very good players. Many think that Cle will get it together and have a great season, I think that their talent will eventually take over and they will be a factor in the east. |
It's been pointed out already that Thibs took a team, minus Rose, to the playoffs and won a playoff series that year (2013). He implemented a sound defensive system and got guys to buy in, despite minimal offensive output.
No one is saying that you can win big with mediocre talent. We are saying that Scott could being doing a lot better if he was half the coach that Thibs or Vogel are. |
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We should have hired a real coach and had Byron as the team's official hype man.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | On the one hand, Scott is good for the tank.
On the other hand, will FAs want to play for a coach with such an outdated coaching style/philosophy? |
i am giving him benifit of doubt here but what do u want him to install right now when he has 0 shooters?
lin is shooting ok because he is taking less 3 . kobe doesnt have legs to shoot the long ball. who is left? nobody |
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| Jim99187 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | On the one hand, Scott is good for the tank.
On the other hand, will FAs want to play for a coach with such an outdated coaching style/philosophy? |
i am giving him benifit of doubt here but what do u want him to install right now when he has 0 shooters?
lin is shooting ok because he is taking less 3 . kobe doesnt have legs to shoot the long ball. who is left? nobody |
Young and Ellington are good enough shooters. Lin shot 40% on C&S 3s last year. |
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| Jim99187 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | On the one hand, Scott is good for the tank.
On the other hand, will FAs want to play for a coach with such an outdated coaching style/philosophy? |
i am giving him benifit of doubt here but what do u want him to install right now when he has 0 shooters?
lin is shooting ok because he is taking less 3 . kobe doesnt have legs to shoot the long ball. who is left? nobody |
Who does Vogel have in Indy? So you don't trust NBA players to craft and develop a 3 point shoot and dissuade them from taking it? Don't get me started about the defense either.
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| Voices wrote: | The Lakers having a significant amount of talent over anyone is a reach. Sure Tibs is a a fine coach but he has done nothing without Rose. You have to have talent to win in the NBA then coaching and coaching is a distant second. And what about Noah, his bio say's he has played in 12 games?
I guess the new Cle coach really sucks, a coach that many on this site wanted, he can't win with 2 superstars and a potential 3rd plus a few others on that team are very good players. Many think that Cle will get it together and have a great season, I think that their talent will eventually take over and they will be a factor in the east. |
The Lakers absolutely have a significant talent advantage over Roy Hibbert, Luis Scola, Donald Sloan, Solomon Hill, and Chris Copeland. lol
Thibodeau has gotten teams to the playoffs with Joakim Noah and journeymen.
Not sure what Cleveland struggling has to do with the price of tea in China, but this argumentation is painfully bad. |
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| Don Draper wrote: | | j-wolf wrote: | | BS has the heart, but just lacks wits. Bad coach choice. Might just well let Kobe run the team. |
He is. Kobe's like the smart kid in the physics class taught by a below average intelligence teacher.
Ranking BBIQ (not always related to on court production)
Phil Jackson - 190
Kobe - 180
Lin - 130
Byron - ~100
Jordan Hill - 70
That's the scale you're working with, from genius level to pretty darn dumb in terms of basketball basics. That's why Phil could coach Kobe, he was smarter than him at basketball. Kobe might not be a good coach, but he knows he's smarter than Byron. Byron knows it and so he unconsciously defers to him despite his better judgement. You have to when you're that lacking in comparison to your top player. |
There are different kinds of "smart". Pop, Rick Carlisle and Eric Spoelstra were not great BB players, but they are "smart" enough to manage egos and strategies.
BS were better BB player than those coaches, but he is not "smart" enough in being a coach.
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | Voices wrote: | The Lakers having a significant amount of talent over anyone is a reach. Sure Tibs is a a fine coach but he has done nothing without Rose. You have to have talent to win in the NBA then coaching and coaching is a distant second. And what about Noah, his bio say's he has played in 12 games?
I guess the new Cle coach really sucks, a coach that many on this site wanted, he can't win with 2 superstars and a potential 3rd plus a few others on that team are very good players. Many think that Cle will get it together and have a great season, I think that their talent will eventually take over and they will be a factor in the east. |
The Lakers absolutely have a significant talent advantage over Roy Hibbert, Luis Scola, Donald Sloan, Solomon Hill, and Chris Copeland. lol
Thibodeau has gotten teams to the playoffs with Joakim Noah and journeymen.
Not sure what Cleveland struggling has to do with the price of tea in China, but this argumentation is painfully bad. |
Do you honestly think any coach could make a decent team with Kobe playing this inefficiently and dominating the basketball at this ungodly rate? While those players in Indy may be nothing special none of them are considered above the team or have carte blanche to do or say literally anything they want. Yes, I'm saying the Lakers would be better off with a D-league scrub taking Kobe's roster spot because at least they could bench him. He's been that bad. I'll probably get banned for this, but why sugarcoat it. |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | | Voices wrote: | The Lakers having a significant amount of talent over anyone is a reach. Sure Tibs is a a fine coach but he has done nothing without Rose. You have to have talent to win in the NBA then coaching and coaching is a distant second. And what about Noah, his bio say's he has played in 12 games?
I guess the new Cle coach really sucks, a coach that many on this site wanted, he can't win with 2 superstars and a potential 3rd plus a few others on that team are very good players. Many think that Cle will get it together and have a great season, I think that their talent will eventually take over and they will be a factor in the east. |
The Lakers absolutely have a significant talent advantage over Roy Hibbert, Luis Scola, Donald Sloan, Solomon Hill, and Chris Copeland. lol
Thibodeau has gotten teams to the playoffs with Joakim Noah and journeymen.
Not sure what Cleveland struggling has to do with the price of tea in China, but this argumentation is painfully bad. |
Do you honestly think any coach could make a decent team with Kobe playing this inefficiently and dominating the basketball at this ungodly rate? While those players in Indy may be nothing special none of them are considered above the team or have carte blanche to do or say literally anything they want. Yes, I'm saying the Lakers would be better off with a D-league scrub taking Kobe's roster spot because at least they could bench him. He's been that bad. I'll probably get banned for this, but why sugarcoat it. |
I am actually embarrassed with kobe's play this yr. it looks like to me that he is gunning KAJ record knowing this team is piece of crap
on top of that Byron has zero control over kobe and his shot jacking mentality |
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| Runway8 wrote: | | Voices wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | The starting lineup for the Indiana Pacers is...
PG: Donald Sloan
SG: Solomon Hill
SF: Chris Copeland
PF: Luis Scola
C: Roy Hibbert
They are 6-8, including wins @ Chicago, @ Dallas, @ Miami.
Just some food for thought the next time you wonder how anyone could possibly ever win a game with Kobe Bryant, Jeremy Lin, Nick Young, Jordan Hill, Ed Davis, etc. |
Copeland won the Eastern Conference Rookie of the Month award in April. In 2012–13, Copeland averaged 8.7 points per game, and despite not being named to an NBA All-Rookie Team, he still managed to tie Harrison Barnes at sixth place in the NBA Rookie of the Year voting (with 8 points each).[8]
Solomon in his senior season, he was named to the All-Pac-12 first team and the NABC All-District 20 first team for the second straight year. He was also a USBWA all-District IX first team honoree and the winner of the Sapphire Award, given to Arizona's male athlete of the year. In 35 games (all starts), he averaged 13.4 points, 5.3 rebounds, 2.7 assists and 1.1 steals in 33.0 minutes per game.[1][2] In December 2012, he was awarded the MVP of the 2012 Diamond Head Classic after averaging 12.0 points, 5.0 rebounds and 2.3 assists in the three games.[1]
Whatever the reason, Sloan, typically a backup guard, proved he could step into the hole left by the absence of George Hill and C.J. Watson with 16 points, 10 rebounds and six assists in the Pacers' home-opening win.
All three are not just bench fillers they can play, Indiana selected players that have can step in and help.
Just add Randle and Young to the Lakers rotation and maybe we have two more wins... injuries to Kelly Randle Henry and Nick have been devastating. Randle and Nick and Kelly at the three should of been a starters. I don't care that Nick is not a point, Kobe can play the point. The Lakers have had horrible luck, plus they play on the west. There is no doubt that Indiana has a better player personal employees, add that to the situation as well.
Look at Cle, under 500 with James, lrving and Love |
Wow, that explanation was honestly a little embarrassing for Laker fans and Kobe. Imagine Kobe trying using the same excuse... "You know who Soloman is? USBWA all-District IX first team honoree! He's knocking on the door man. He's right there with me, MJ, Magic and Bird. And Copeland, dude won rookie of the month once!!!! And Donald Sloan, I've never heard of him, but anytime you share the same last name with Jerry, you must be one tough mother-effer!"
As for Cleveland, you know where they're heading eventually, and we know where the Lakers are heading eventually as well and that's in opposite directions. Bron started slow, but look how he's warming up and his FG% is starting to get back to normal. Kobe is looking like 38% for the season, and with his shot selection, has a great chance of dipping further. |
Solomon was all Pac 12 first team his senior season, this guy is no scrub like you are trying to make him out to be by picking what awards make him look trivial, your maturity is showing be careful and know the context of the conversation.
So you give Cle time to grow and the Lakers, well, you know where they are headed. Interesting... If Scott had Cle they would continue to suck and if the Lakers had the Cle coach they would be just waiting to break out and have a great season. I bet if the Cle coach had the Lakers he could fix all the injuries as well. You are a funny guy
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| greenfrog wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | | Voices wrote: | The Lakers having a significant amount of talent over anyone is a reach. Sure Tibs is a a fine coach but he has done nothing without Rose. You have to have talent to win in the NBA then coaching and coaching is a distant second. And what about Noah, his bio say's he has played in 12 games?
I guess the new Cle coach really sucks, a coach that many on this site wanted, he can't win with 2 superstars and a potential 3rd plus a few others on that team are very good players. Many think that Cle will get it together and have a great season, I think that their talent will eventually take over and they will be a factor in the east. |
The Lakers absolutely have a significant talent advantage over Roy Hibbert, Luis Scola, Donald Sloan, Solomon Hill, and Chris Copeland. lol
Thibodeau has gotten teams to the playoffs with Joakim Noah and journeymen.
Not sure what Cleveland struggling has to do with the price of tea in China, but this argumentation is painfully bad. |
Do you honestly think any coach could make a decent team with Kobe playing this inefficiently and dominating the basketball at this ungodly rate? While those players in Indy may be nothing special none of them are considered above the team or have carte blanche to do or say literally anything they want. Yes, I'm saying the Lakers would be better off with a D-league scrub taking Kobe's roster spot because at least they could bench him. He's been that bad. I'll probably get banned for this, but why sugarcoat it. |
You seem to think that Kobe is doing what he is doing independent of Scott. They are executing his vision.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | | Voices wrote: | The Lakers having a significant amount of talent over anyone is a reach. Sure Tibs is a a fine coach but he has done nothing without Rose. You have to have talent to win in the NBA then coaching and coaching is a distant second. And what about Noah, his bio say's he has played in 12 games?
I guess the new Cle coach really sucks, a coach that many on this site wanted, he can't win with 2 superstars and a potential 3rd plus a few others on that team are very good players. Many think that Cle will get it together and have a great season, I think that their talent will eventually take over and they will be a factor in the east. |
The Lakers absolutely have a significant talent advantage over Roy Hibbert, Luis Scola, Donald Sloan, Solomon Hill, and Chris Copeland. lol
Thibodeau has gotten teams to the playoffs with Joakim Noah and journeymen.
Not sure what Cleveland struggling has to do with the price of tea in China, but this argumentation is painfully bad. |
Do you honestly think any coach could make a decent team with Kobe playing this inefficiently and dominating the basketball at this ungodly rate? While those players in Indy may be nothing special none of them are considered above the team or have carte blanche to do or say literally anything they want. Yes, I'm saying the Lakers would be better off with a D-league scrub taking Kobe's roster spot because at least they could bench him. He's been that bad. I'll probably get banned for this, but why sugarcoat it. |
You seem to think that Kobe is doing what he is doing independent of Scott. They are executing his vision. |
He has no vision. That wasn't in the job requirement. |
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Voices
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| fan4life wrote: | | Voices wrote: |
The Lakers having a significant amount of talent over anyone is a reach. Sure Tibs is a a fine coach but he has done nothing without Rose. You have to have talent to win in the NBA then coaching and coaching is a distant second. And what about Noah, his bio say's he has played in 12 games?
I guess the new Cle coach really sucks, a coach that many on this site wanted, he can't win with 2 superstars and a potential 3rd plus a few others on that team are very good players. Many think that Cle will get it together and have a great season, I think that their talent will eventually take over and they will be a factor in the east. |
It's been pointed out already that Thibs took a team, minus Rose, to the playoffs and won a playoff series that year (2013). He implemented a sound defensive system and got guys to buy in, despite minimal offensive output.
No one is saying that you can win big with mediocre talent. We are saying that Scott could being doing a lot better if he was half the coach that Thibs or Vogel are. |
To judge a new coach after 12 games with a team returning 5 players with a depleted lineup because of injuries is wrong and unfair.
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lukewaltonsdad
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| Scott is horrible. No doubt. Worse coach than MDA and Brown. Incredibly flawed on both sides of the ball, all talk no substance, etc... |
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Jim99187
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| Voices wrote: | | fan4life wrote: | | Voices wrote: |
The Lakers having a significant amount of talent over anyone is a reach. Sure Tibs is a a fine coach but he has done nothing without Rose. You have to have talent to win in the NBA then coaching and coaching is a distant second. And what about Noah, his bio say's he has played in 12 games?
I guess the new Cle coach really sucks, a coach that many on this site wanted, he can't win with 2 superstars and a potential 3rd plus a few others on that team are very good players. Many think that Cle will get it together and have a great season, I think that their talent will eventually take over and they will be a factor in the east. |
It's been pointed out already that Thibs took a team, minus Rose, to the playoffs and won a playoff series that year (2013). He implemented a sound defensive system and got guys to buy in, despite minimal offensive output.
No one is saying that you can win big with mediocre talent. We are saying that Scott could being doing a lot better if he was half the coach that Thibs or Vogel are. |
To judge a new coach after 12 games with a team returning 5 players with a depleted lineup because of injuries is wrong and unfair. |
did u not see where steve clifford took Charlotte last season? |
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LakerLogic
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| Scott is doing a masterful job this year. |
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Lin/Kobe/Wes/Booz/Hill has the worst Net Rtg of any lineup with at least 65 minutes. That lineup has played 231 minutes. |
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