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LoyalLakerfan44
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| tirebiter wrote: | | LoyalLakerfan44 wrote: | | Honeybadger81 wrote: | | fiendishoc wrote: | | lukewaltonsdad wrote: | | fiendishoc wrote: | | lukewaltonsdad wrote: | I'm not the biggest Young or Lin fan by any stretch of the imagination, but I'll admit Byron has no interpersonal skills whatsoever...he could have talked with Jeremy before the SAS game about developing Clarkson and giving him more run using Price as a backup and that he might not see any time that game. At the very least, Jeremy knows can process the information and know what to expect going into the game. Instead, he doesn't talk to him, and Jeremy is left not talking to any reporters and wonder what he's done to seemingly fall out of the rotation after he's been in it all year. Great job, Byron.
As for Young, he's a dumba**; he's had a horrible month. Nevertheless, he should have kept his thoughts on Swaggy private and handled that situation internally. Why tell the media that Swaggy 'doesn't look like he doesn't want to be here;' apparently, that was after correcting him about a defensive assignment. Again, keep that in-house. |
This kind of approach reeks of insecurity. |
So, what's the solution? |
Exactly how you said it- he should be telling these guys straight up what he expects out of them and stop hanging them out to dry in the media. Perhaps he's afraid of being challenged. When Boozer fired back via the media way back when, there was only silence. |
Byron has no accoutability, he is not a student of the game, he is an arrogant spoiled "legend" who is still living in lakers' old glories...
He is lazy, he did not know when Sunday night's game started until meeting the reporters, half an hour late already... |
I guess you can say the same about Derek Fisher. These old ex-player coaches they have such great personnel and can't get their act together what failures. |
derek fisher is a rookie coach. he gets a pass while he figures out who he is as a coach.
byron has been doing for a long time. this is who he is. |
When Byron had great players he went to finals, even rookie coaches like Kerr win when the talent is there. Don't forget superstar talent is what makes coaches legendary. Phil wouldn't be mentioned if not for MJ, Shaq and Kobe. |
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villavs
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| LoyalLakerfan44 wrote: | | Honeybadger81 wrote: | | fiendishoc wrote: | | lukewaltonsdad wrote: | | fiendishoc wrote: | | lukewaltonsdad wrote: | I'm not the biggest Young or Lin fan by any stretch of the imagination, but I'll admit Byron has no interpersonal skills whatsoever...he could have talked with Jeremy before the SAS game about developing Clarkson and giving him more run using Price as a backup and that he might not see any time that game. At the very least, Jeremy knows can process the information and know what to expect going into the game. Instead, he doesn't talk to him, and Jeremy is left not talking to any reporters and wonder what he's done to seemingly fall out of the rotation after he's been in it all year. Great job, Byron.
As for Young, he's a dumba**; he's had a horrible month. Nevertheless, he should have kept his thoughts on Swaggy private and handled that situation internally. Why tell the media that Swaggy 'doesn't look like he doesn't want to be here;' apparently, that was after correcting him about a defensive assignment. Again, keep that in-house. |
This kind of approach reeks of insecurity. |
So, what's the solution? |
Exactly how you said it- he should be telling these guys straight up what he expects out of them and stop hanging them out to dry in the media. Perhaps he's afraid of being challenged. When Boozer fired back via the media way back when, there was only silence. |
Byron has no accoutability, he is not a student of the game, he is an arrogant spoiled "legend" who is still living in lakers' old glories...
He is lazy, he did not know when Sunday night's game started until meeting the reporters, half an hour late already... |
I guess you can say the same about Derek Fisher. These old ex-player coaches they have such great personnel and can't get their act together what failures. |
No comment on Derek Fisher specifically, but there have been a lot of good ex-players turned coaches. You got retired coaches like Riley and Phil Jackson and current guys like Doc Rivers and Kidd and Kerr, etc. |
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| Why does this douche bash his players so much? |
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| LoyalLakerfan44 wrote: |
When Byron had great players he went to finals, even rookie coaches like Kerr win when the talent is there. Don't forget superstar talent is what makes coaches legendary. Phil wouldn't be mentioned if not for MJ, Shaq and Kobe. |
Other than Jason Kidd (who couldn't stand Byron), what "great player" did Byron go to the finals with? Kerry Kittles? Keith Van Horn? Jim McIlvaine? Eddie Jordan's system, Lawrence Frank's attention to detail, and Kidd's leadership on the court got them there in a very weak Eastern Conference. |
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| villavs wrote: | | LoyalLakerfan44 wrote: | | Honeybadger81 wrote: | | fiendishoc wrote: | | lukewaltonsdad wrote: | | fiendishoc wrote: | | lukewaltonsdad wrote: | I'm not the biggest Young or Lin fan by any stretch of the imagination, but I'll admit Byron has no interpersonal skills whatsoever...he could have talked with Jeremy before the SAS game about developing Clarkson and giving him more run using Price as a backup and that he might not see any time that game. At the very least, Jeremy knows can process the information and know what to expect going into the game. Instead, he doesn't talk to him, and Jeremy is left not talking to any reporters and wonder what he's done to seemingly fall out of the rotation after he's been in it all year. Great job, Byron.
As for Young, he's a dumba**; he's had a horrible month. Nevertheless, he should have kept his thoughts on Swaggy private and handled that situation internally. Why tell the media that Swaggy 'doesn't look like he doesn't want to be here;' apparently, that was after correcting him about a defensive assignment. Again, keep that in-house. |
This kind of approach reeks of insecurity. |
So, what's the solution? |
Exactly how you said it- he should be telling these guys straight up what he expects out of them and stop hanging them out to dry in the media. Perhaps he's afraid of being challenged. When Boozer fired back via the media way back when, there was only silence. |
Byron has no accoutability, he is not a student of the game, he is an arrogant spoiled "legend" who is still living in lakers' old glories...
He is lazy, he did not know when Sunday night's game started until meeting the reporters, half an hour late already... |
I guess you can say the same about Derek Fisher. These old ex-player coaches they have such great personnel and can't get their act together what failures. |
No comment on Derek Fisher specifically, but there have been a lot of good ex-players turned coaches. You got retired coaches like Riley and Phil Jackson and current guys like Doc Rivers and Kidd and Kerr, etc. |
Notice how none of them are ex-Laker players. Ex-Laker players that have or now coaches - Scott, Fisher, Shaw, Magic. Anyone else I'm missing? Don't know the combine win or losses for the ex-Laker player coaches but I'm pretty sure it's below 50%. |
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LoyalLakerfan44
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| philnyc wrote: | | LoyalLakerfan44 wrote: |
When Byron had great players he went to finals, even rookie coaches like Kerr win when the talent is there. Don't forget superstar talent is what makes coaches legendary. Phil wouldn't be mentioned if not for MJ, Shaq and Kobe. |
Other than Jason Kidd (who couldn't stand Byron), what "great player" did Byron go to the finals with? Kerry Kittles? Keith Van Horn? Jim McIlvaine? Eddie Jordan's system, Lawrence Frank's attention to detail, and Kidd's leadership on the court got them there in a very weak Eastern Conference. |
My point is you can't win squat if you don't have superstars in the NBA. Putting it all on the coach is pure stupidity. The fault doesn't lie completely on Byron, but mostly on the FO who has made mistake after mistake. Coaches are always scape goats for poor management. Anyone putting on the coaching shoes with this current team would be equally in tank mode. The top dude wouldn't touch this team with a ten foot pole. |
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| LoyalLakerfan44 wrote: | | philnyc wrote: | | LoyalLakerfan44 wrote: |
When Byron had great players he went to finals, even rookie coaches like Kerr win when the talent is there. Don't forget superstar talent is what makes coaches legendary. Phil wouldn't be mentioned if not for MJ, Shaq and Kobe. |
Other than Jason Kidd (who couldn't stand Byron), what "great player" did Byron go to the finals with? Kerry Kittles? Keith Van Horn? Jim McIlvaine? Eddie Jordan's system, Lawrence Frank's attention to detail, and Kidd's leadership on the court got them there in a very weak Eastern Conference. |
My point is you can't win squat if you don't have superstars in the NBA. Putting it all on the coach is pure stupidity. The fault doesn't lie completely on Byron, but mostly on the FO who has made mistake after mistake. Coaches are always scape goats for poor management. Anyone putting on the coaching shoes with this current team would be equally in tank mode. The top dude wouldn't touch this team with a ten foot pole. |
Even if we had great players, would you want Byron coaching them? |
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LoyalLakerfan44
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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| trunkz08 wrote: | | LoyalLakerfan44 wrote: | | philnyc wrote: | | LoyalLakerfan44 wrote: |
When Byron had great players he went to finals, even rookie coaches like Kerr win when the talent is there. Don't forget superstar talent is what makes coaches legendary. Phil wouldn't be mentioned if not for MJ, Shaq and Kobe. |
Other than Jason Kidd (who couldn't stand Byron), what "great player" did Byron go to the finals with? Kerry Kittles? Keith Van Horn? Jim McIlvaine? Eddie Jordan's system, Lawrence Frank's attention to detail, and Kidd's leadership on the court got them there in a very weak Eastern Conference. |
My point is you can't win squat if you don't have superstars in the NBA. Putting it all on the coach is pure stupidity. The fault doesn't lie completely on Byron, but mostly on the FO who has made mistake after mistake. Coaches are always scape goats for poor management. Anyone putting on the coaching shoes with this current team would be equally in tank mode. The top dude wouldn't touch this team with a ten foot pole. |
Even if we had great players, would you want Byron coaching them? |
Hell yeah! IF potato head went to the finals with LBJ, I think Scott would actually win one. |
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| LoyalLakerfan44 wrote: | | trunkz08 wrote: | | LoyalLakerfan44 wrote: | | philnyc wrote: | | LoyalLakerfan44 wrote: |
When Byron had great players he went to finals, even rookie coaches like Kerr win when the talent is there. Don't forget superstar talent is what makes coaches legendary. Phil wouldn't be mentioned if not for MJ, Shaq and Kobe. |
Other than Jason Kidd (who couldn't stand Byron), what "great player" did Byron go to the finals with? Kerry Kittles? Keith Van Horn? Jim McIlvaine? Eddie Jordan's system, Lawrence Frank's attention to detail, and Kidd's leadership on the court got them there in a very weak Eastern Conference. |
My point is you can't win squat if you don't have superstars in the NBA. Putting it all on the coach is pure stupidity. The fault doesn't lie completely on Byron, but mostly on the FO who has made mistake after mistake. Coaches are always scape goats for poor management. Anyone putting on the coaching shoes with this current team would be equally in tank mode. The top dude wouldn't touch this team with a ten foot pole. |
Even if we had great players, would you want Byron coaching them? |
Hell yeah! IF potato head went to the finals with LBJ, I think Scott would actually win one. |
LOL you really think Lebron wouldn't get him fired before he went to the finals? |
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LoyalLakerfan44
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What people don't understand is that Scott came here to coach the Lakers because he loves the Lakers. He knew he wasn't going to win squat with this squad. He was going to see were this train was going to lead him with an aging superstar coming off major injuries, rookies, and one year wonderers. Then hope he could be part of the rebuilding process.
Unlike guys like Doc Rivers who wants out of the kitchen when the fire is hot, and looks for the stablished team. Heck everyone wants to have their cake and eat it too.
I find Scott a true Laker someone that really cares about this team, and it's history as a franchise. He is willing to take the heat, and grow from the bottom. The other guys we've had besides Phil, didn't give a sh*t. |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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| LoyalLakerfan44 wrote: | What people don't understand is that Scott came here to coach the Lakers because he loves the Lakers. He knew he wasn't going to win squat with this squad. He was going to see were this train was going to lead him with an aging superstar coming off major injuries, rookies, and one year wonderers. Then hope he could be part of the rebuilding process.
Unlike guys like Doc Rivers who wants out of the kitchen when the fire is hot, and looks for the stablished team. Heck everyone wants to have their cake and eat it too.
I find Scott a true Laker someone that really cares about this team, and it's history as a franchise. He is willing to take the heat, and grow from the bottom. The other guys we've had besides Phil, didn't give a sh*t. |
All true. But that doesn't make him a good basketball coach. And that is the problem |
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| LoyalLakerfan44 wrote: | What people don't understand is that Scott came here to coach the Lakers because he loves the Lakers. He knew he wasn't going to win squat with this squad. He was going to see were this train was going to lead him with an aging superstar coming off major injuries, rookies, and one year wonderers. Then hope he could be part of the rebuilding process.
Unlike guys like Doc Rivers who wants out of the kitchen when the fire is hot, and looks for the stablished team. Heck everyone wants to have their cake and eat it too.
I find Scott a true Laker someone that really cares about this team, and it's history as a franchise. He is willing to take the heat, and grow from the bottom. The other guys we've had besides Phil, didn't give a sh*t. |
Dude, he has no other offers. He's coaching here cause he's loyal and he loves the Lakers? Lol. Who will say no to millions? What a joke |
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| 22 wrote: | | LoyalLakerfan44 wrote: | What people don't understand is that Scott came here to coach the Lakers because he loves the Lakers. He knew he wasn't going to win squat with this squad. He was going to see were this train was going to lead him with an aging superstar coming off major injuries, rookies, and one year wonderers. Then hope he could be part of the rebuilding process.
Unlike guys like Doc Rivers who wants out of the kitchen when the fire is hot, and looks for the stablished team. Heck everyone wants to have their cake and eat it too.
I find Scott a true Laker someone that really cares about this team, and it's history as a franchise. He is willing to take the heat, and grow from the bottom. The other guys we've had besides Phil, didn't give a sh*t. |
All true. But that doesn't make him a good basketball coach. And that is the problem |
And it comes back to the bolded every...single...time. |
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| LoyalLakerfan44 wrote: | What people don't understand is that Scott came here to coach the Lakers because he loves the Lakers. He knew he wasn't going to win squat with this squad. He was going to see were this train was going to lead him with an aging superstar coming off major injuries, rookies, and one year wonderers. Then hope he could be part of the rebuilding process.
Unlike guys like Doc Rivers who wants out of the kitchen when the fire is hot, and looks for the stablished team. Heck everyone wants to have their cake and eat it too.
I find Scott a true Laker someone that really cares about this team, and it's history as a franchise. He is willing to take the heat, and grow from the bottom. The other guys we've had besides Phil, didn't give a sh*t. |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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| jonnybravo wrote: | | 22 wrote: | | LoyalLakerfan44 wrote: | What people don't understand is that Scott came here to coach the Lakers because he loves the Lakers. He knew he wasn't going to win squat with this squad. He was going to see were this train was going to lead him with an aging superstar coming off major injuries, rookies, and one year wonderers. Then hope he could be part of the rebuilding process.
Unlike guys like Doc Rivers who wants out of the kitchen when the fire is hot, and looks for the stablished team. Heck everyone wants to have their cake and eat it too.
I find Scott a true Laker someone that really cares about this team, and it's history as a franchise. He is willing to take the heat, and grow from the bottom. The other guys we've had besides Phil, didn't give a sh*t. |
All true. But that doesn't make him a good basketball coach. And that is the problem |
And it comes back to the bolded every...single...time. |
I really care about the franchise too. Can I haz 16 mn dollars to coach them to the bottom as well? |
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| LoyalLakerfan44 wrote: | What people don't understand is that Scott came here to coach the Lakers because he loves the Lakers. He knew he wasn't going to win squat with this squad. He was going to see were this train was going to lead him with an aging superstar coming off major injuries, rookies, and one year wonderers. Then hope he could be part of the rebuilding process.
Unlike guys like Doc Rivers who wants out of the kitchen when the fire is hot, and looks for the stablished team. Heck everyone wants to have their cake and eat it too.
I find Scott a true Laker someone that really cares about this team, and it's history as a franchise. He is willing to take the heat, and grow from the bottom. The other guys we've had besides Phil, didn't give a sh*t. |
you might not win a championship with this squad, might not make the playoffs, might now even break .500 but at least you aren't a laughingstock if you had a good coach who knows how to coach and develop players. at least then you can think of pieces to fit and upgrade. all this FA talk is ridiculous because there are no pieces to fit. it's dump and start over next year because nothing is in place. |
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| so have they fired the dufus yet? |
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| LoyalLakerfan44 wrote: | What people don't understand is that Scott came here to coach the Lakers because he loves the Lakers. He knew he wasn't going to win squat with this squad. He was going to see were this train was going to lead him with an aging superstar coming off major injuries, rookies, and one year wonderers. Then hope he could be part of the rebuilding process.
Unlike guys like Doc Rivers who wants out of the kitchen when the fire is hot, and looks for the stablished team. Heck everyone wants to have their cake and eat it too.
I find Scott a true Laker someone that really cares about this team, and it's history as a franchise. He is willing to take the heat, and grow from the bottom. The other guys we've had besides Phil, didn't give a sh*t. |
I agree with pretty much all of this. My only request of Byron for next season, if I were the FO, would be to hire some qualified assistants. Guys who can take Byron's vision and turn that into X's and O's that the team can learn. That is Byron's weakness in my mind.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | LoyalLakerfan44 wrote: | What people don't understand is that Scott came here to coach the Lakers because he loves the Lakers. He knew he wasn't going to win squat with this squad. He was going to see were this train was going to lead him with an aging superstar coming off major injuries, rookies, and one year wonderers. Then hope he could be part of the rebuilding process.
Unlike guys like Doc Rivers who wants out of the kitchen when the fire is hot, and looks for the stablished team. Heck everyone wants to have their cake and eat it too.
I find Scott a true Laker someone that really cares about this team, and it's history as a franchise. He is willing to take the heat, and grow from the bottom. The other guys we've had besides Phil, didn't give a sh*t. |
I agree with pretty much all of this. My only request of Byron for next season, if I were the FO, would be to hire some qualified assistants. Guys who can take Byron's vision and turn that into X's and O's that the team can learn. That is Byron's weakness in my mind. |
I had hoped that Byron would have brought Coop in. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | LoyalLakerfan44 wrote: | What people don't understand is that Scott came here to coach the Lakers because he loves the Lakers. He knew he wasn't going to win squat with this squad. He was going to see were this train was going to lead him with an aging superstar coming off major injuries, rookies, and one year wonderers. Then hope he could be part of the rebuilding process.
Unlike guys like Doc Rivers who wants out of the kitchen when the fire is hot, and looks for the stablished team. Heck everyone wants to have their cake and eat it too.
I find Scott a true Laker someone that really cares about this team, and it's history as a franchise. He is willing to take the heat, and grow from the bottom. The other guys we've had besides Phil, didn't give a sh*t. |
I agree with pretty much all of this. My only request of Byron for next season, if I were the FO, would be to hire some qualified assistants. Guys who can take Byron's vision and turn that into X's and O's that the team can learn. That is Byron's weakness in my mind. |
Yeah, and it's cheaper to throw big money to a respected assistant than to eat another large HC contract. We'd still have to deal with the robo-subs and questionable game management, but at least we wouldn't be shooting ourselves in the foot on strategy. Someone like a Ron Adams type of guy would be ideal. Last offseason Byron did try to bring in Igor Kokoskov, presumably to design an offense, but got turned down. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | LoyalLakerfan44 wrote: | What people don't understand is that Scott came here to coach the Lakers because he loves the Lakers. He knew he wasn't going to win squat with this squad. He was going to see were this train was going to lead him with an aging superstar coming off major injuries, rookies, and one year wonderers. Then hope he could be part of the rebuilding process.
Unlike guys like Doc Rivers who wants out of the kitchen when the fire is hot, and looks for the stablished team. Heck everyone wants to have their cake and eat it too.
I find Scott a true Laker someone that really cares about this team, and it's history as a franchise. He is willing to take the heat, and grow from the bottom. The other guys we've had besides Phil, didn't give a sh*t. |
I agree with pretty much all of this. My only request of Byron for next season, if I were the FO, would be to hire some qualified assistants. Guys who can take Byron's vision and turn that into X's and O's that the team can learn. That is Byron's weakness in my mind. |
very true. he's got his son working for him, another guy that called him up and begged for the job, and a d-league coach in training. not a very stellar group, and no one to challenge him on anything.
reminds me of pete carroll's later days at SC after he got rid of veteran coaches and brought in his son and a bunch of young, ambitious kids that thought they knew everything. |
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| fiendishoc wrote: |
I really care about the franchise too. Can I haz 16 mn dollars to coach them to the bottom as well? |
From your posts in the X and O thread, I think you would fail at getting Lakers into the bottom 5 spot  |
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| Lostology wrote: | | villavs wrote: | | LoyalLakerfan44 wrote: | | Honeybadger81 wrote: | | fiendishoc wrote: | | lukewaltonsdad wrote: | | fiendishoc wrote: | | lukewaltonsdad wrote: | I'm not the biggest Young or Lin fan by any stretch of the imagination, but I'll admit Byron has no interpersonal skills whatsoever...he could have talked with Jeremy before the SAS game about developing Clarkson and giving him more run using Price as a backup and that he might not see any time that game. At the very least, Jeremy knows can process the information and know what to expect going into the game. Instead, he doesn't talk to him, and Jeremy is left not talking to any reporters and wonder what he's done to seemingly fall out of the rotation after he's been in it all year. Great job, Byron.
As for Young, he's a dumba**; he's had a horrible month. Nevertheless, he should have kept his thoughts on Swaggy private and handled that situation internally. Why tell the media that Swaggy 'doesn't look like he doesn't want to be here;' apparently, that was after correcting him about a defensive assignment. Again, keep that in-house. |
This kind of approach reeks of insecurity. |
So, what's the solution? |
Exactly how you said it- he should be telling these guys straight up what he expects out of them and stop hanging them out to dry in the media. Perhaps he's afraid of being challenged. When Boozer fired back via the media way back when, there was only silence. |
Byron has no accoutability, he is not a student of the game, he is an arrogant spoiled "legend" who is still living in lakers' old glories...
He is lazy, he did not know when Sunday night's game started until meeting the reporters, half an hour late already... |
I guess you can say the same about Derek Fisher. These old ex-player coaches they have such great personnel and can't get their act together what failures. |
No comment on Derek Fisher specifically, but there have been a lot of good ex-players turned coaches. You got retired coaches like Riley and Phil Jackson and current guys like Doc Rivers and Kidd and Kerr, etc. |
Notice how none of them are ex-Laker players. Ex-Laker players that have or now coaches - Scott, Fisher, Shaw, Magic. Anyone else I'm missing? Don't know the combine win or losses for the ex-Laker player coaches but I'm pretty sure it's below 50%. |
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| jlinfan wrote: | | Just curious - what does P&M stand for? |
piss and moan. |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 2:27 am Post subject: |
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| tonman wrote: | | Voices wrote: |
This Lakers team has very little talent and a low b ball IQ including the ultra smart Lin. Nobody could win with this team.
PJ and Riley were only accessories to the players, they had the best players in NBA history. It's not hard to win with great talent, especially talent that is not only physically gifted but also has a extremely high b ball IQ.
Magic, MJ, Kobe, Kareem and Pipen were some of the smartest players in NBA history. Most do not even know that Magic won his first championship with a College coach, Paul Westhead. |
no individual players have high BB IQ. the team as you say collectively plays at a level of a lower IQ team. because Kobe played at a lower IQ level. you don't keep shooting when you're shooting 30%. at some point you have to trust your team mates to give them the ball or get you the ball. he didn't. this is an extension of the coach. you have to get them to play "smart". it's not like you give them a quiz to see what their IQ is. and in order to play "smart" your system has to be set up. you want players to make the extra passes then the standard plays have to allow for extra passes. you want the players to make the right rotations defensively, then you have to set it in the scheme so that they take it from practice to the game. |
The NBA does not care if you have very little talent, does not matter if your team knows the defensive rotations if they do not have the talent to execute it. The NBA today is rich with great PG, its hard to stop then from what they want to do no matter how good your rotations are. When you are forced to double the great PG's without great talent on defense you have no chance. Effort on defense at times is all you need to play great defense, however effort along with talent wins, the Lakers just don't have good enough NBA talent.
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ALTHOUGH HE STANDS 6 FEET 2 INCHES, JIM BUSS ATTENDED JOCKEY SCHOOL WHEN HE WAS 20. |
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