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pjiddy Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 11:25 am Post subject: |
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Purp&Gold wrote: | this is problaly the worst coach possible for Randle to develop under. |
Kenyon Martin and David West did pretty okay under Byron. Although they did have HOF PGs to play with. |
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Purp&Gold wrote: | this is problaly the worst coach possible for Randle to develop under. |
Don Nelson would be the best solely for that. You need someone who can think outside the box. It remains to be seen but I wonder if Byron can even fathom what to do with Kelly who's skill-set is historically atypical as well. |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 11:52 am Post subject: |
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pjiddy wrote: | Purp&Gold wrote: | this is problaly the worst coach possible for Randle to develop under. |
Kenyon Martin and David West did pretty okay under Byron. Although they did have HOF PGs to play with. |
I am not sure Scott would be horrible for Randle. At least he will play, Phil wouldn't let the rookie see the court. Personally I like seeing Randle working on playing outside of the paint, that is where he will have an advantage over most other PFs. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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My original thought was that Byron did best when he had smart assistants doing the x and o stuff. Thus far, he is not disabusing me of that notion. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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brunel Starting Rotation
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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He is starting to sound a little stuffy. I wouldn't mind it if it produced some sense of order, discipline, effort on the court, but so far, it's looked lackadaisical and confused. But he's got time. |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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24 wrote: | My original thought was that Byron did best when he had smart assistants doing the x and o stuff. Thus far, he is not disabusing me of that notion. |
Yes, a comment you made before he was ever hired and one that I agreed with. Some love to downplay the roles of Jordan and Frank in NJ, but the players knew better. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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KLS Starting Rotation
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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I think Scott can make his team not so laughable if he allows Lin to play to his strength of dribble penetration with bigs who are willing to do p&r or set screens. So far only Davis is willing to do that and the result was great. Considering the Warrior's bigs setting screens for Curry nonstop, why is Scott not insisting that his bigs need to do the same for the guards? The way our offence is run, it is more like chaos and only Kobe can put up points by his own excellence to create shots. Lin's ball movement can involve everybody and turn no-name or no-threat players into some productive players. We catch a glimpse of that with Davis. So if not Lin engineering the offence, what else is there that can work? If we keep on missing shots by unorganized offence or Kobe chucking low % iso shots under double team, we will be blown out often when teams turn our misses into easy fast breaks nonstop. Scott better do something 'cause when the blow outs build up, people will be calling for his head, legend or not. |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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KLS wrote: | I think Scott can make his team not so laughable if he allows Lin to play to his strength of dribble penetration with bigs who are willing to do p&r or set screens. So far only Davis is willing to do that and the result was great. Considering the Warrior's bigs setting screens for Curry nonstop, why is Scott not insisting that his bigs need to do the same for the guards? The way our offence is run, it is more like chaos and only Kobe can put up points by his own excellence to create shots. Lin's ball movement can involve everybody and turn no-name or no-threat players into some productive players. We catch a glimpse of that with Davis. So if not Lin engineering the offence, what else is there that can work? If we keep on missing shots by unorganized offence or Kobe chucking low % iso shots under double team, we will be blown out often when teams turn our misses into easy fast breaks nonstop. Scott better do something 'cause when the blow outs build up, people will be calling for his head, legend or not. |
They should have Boozer doing the screen setting and then rolling to his shooting spots, with other guys reading Lin and cutting or spotting up. Kobe can move in and out of the post area wile allowing Lin room to penetrate. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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audioaxes Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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he rather be golfing |
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KLS Starting Rotation
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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24 wrote: | KLS wrote: | I think Scott can make his team not so laughable if he allows Lin to play to his strength of dribble penetration with bigs who are willing to do p&r or set screens. So far only Davis is willing to do that and the result was great. Considering the Warrior's bigs setting screens for Curry nonstop, why is Scott not insisting that his bigs need to do the same for the guards? The way our offence is run, it is more like chaos and only Kobe can put up points by his own excellence to create shots. Lin's ball movement can involve everybody and turn no-name or no-threat players into some productive players. We catch a glimpse of that with Davis. So if not Lin engineering the offence, what else is there that can work? If we keep on missing shots by unorganized offence or Kobe chucking low % iso shots under double team, we will be blown out often when teams turn our misses into easy fast breaks nonstop. Scott better do something 'cause when the blow outs build up, people will be calling for his head, legend or not. |
They should have Boozer doing the screen setting and then rolling to his shooting spots, with other guys reading Lin and cutting or spotting up. Kobe can move in and out of the post area wile allowing Lin room to penetrate. |
I agree that the other guys shouldn't be lazy waiting for Kobe or Lin to do most of the work. They need to do more off ball movement. Just look at the Spurs doing this beautifully beating Miami handily. Chandler Parsons used to thrive in Houston by cutting to the basket or spotting up for 3, and look at the huge FA contract he has earned. LOL. Scott should designate some of his more athletic guys to do the cutting (perhaps set up by rolling around screens) when Kobe is double teamed, or when Lin is penetrating or going around the basket, and yes we need those guys who can shoot a high % of spot ups. But who are they except Young who is still out? We should have grabbed Jimmer Fredette, Jones, Miller (both in Cleveland now), or even Novak. These guys are not perfect. They are slow, even old, but at least they shoot a high % spot ups (Jimmer now about 55% on treys) and they are cheap to have. We need at least one such sniper specialist on the team. |
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Dave20 Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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Byron is still stuck in the 80's, Kareem. Magic, and Worthy aren't walking through that door(playing anyways). |
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wolfpaclaker Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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Dave20 wrote: | Byron is still stuck in the 80's, Kareem. Magic, and Worthy aren't walking through that door(playing anyways). |
Yes, but what coach would take the amazing lineup of Price, 20 ppg decline version of Kobe, Wesley, Hill and Boozer to great heights?
This is one of the most untalented teams I've seen in Laker land in a long time. Not so much in depth, but at the top. Even in the just after Shaq trade days, we had prime Kobe, Lamar and Caron. After that we got Kobe, Lamar, Mihm (at the time Mihm was good post player) and some decent shooters.
The Lakers right now are a hot mess roster wise. 4 PF's in Hill, Davis, Boozer, Randle and no real C. We're playing guys who should be at PF, at C. And it's not like the guys at PF have speed that can use as an advantage. At SF we have a no body. At PG, it's been Price/Nash.
Come on guys, so far in PS, this team has looked bad sets wise, but they're also plain bad. At the top (top 3 players) this is easily the worst team on paper we've had in a long time |
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K2 Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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It didn't take long for the Byron version of this thread to arrive
At least Mike D'Antoni lasted until January 2013 before getting one (the midnight diss was on 11-12-12). |
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JamezAmp Star Player
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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Scott's thoughts on three pointers are worrying and ignorant. |
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Tyrion Lannister Star Player
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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Its going to be a long season. |
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MJST Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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Not much to take away from the games. The starters seem to be getting the offense down for the most part except for the fact they've had 3 different starting lineups in the first 4 games.
The bench is the entire 3rd string + Randle and Davis and Randle and Davis have been the best players of it. So... everything has pretty much been to be expected.
We really won't know what to take away from anything till Wayne Ellington isn't our only three point shooter and X, Kelly, Lin, Nash and eventually Young are back.
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They should have Boozer doing the screen setting and then rolling to his shooting spots, with other guys reading Lin and cutting or spotting up. Kobe can move in and out of the post area wile allowing Lin room to penetrate. |
Agree 100%. Too bad we've only seen one game of Lin with the starting lineup. I hope that the starting lineup in full gets a chance to play at least one week of pre-season to get some things flowing a bit. |
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lukewaltonsdad Star Player
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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Well, Scott is planning on starting Steve again if he could go; what a joke. P&M about Scott. Make it official and put Nash on the bench. Period. This in and out of the lineup with him is just getting ridiculous. |
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MJST Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 12:11 am Post subject: |
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"if he could go" isn't happening.
Scott said Lin'd likely be starting and Nash coming off the bench. |
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ringfinger Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 7:35 am Post subject: |
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K0BEE 2.0 wrote: | Can't wait for Scott to prove the doubters wrong, I guess some people still don't understand that coaches don't input there full offense or defensive schemes in preseason action because of different rotation sets... you people just need something to whine about... something ringfinger loves to see. |
SMH. The only thing I like to see, is a group of passionate fans speaking objectively about a team or player's strengths to cover what the team/player should emphasize and weaknesses to discuss what needs to change in order to improve.
A lot of people are griping about Scott's coaching performance through 4 games, but that's a far cry from "doubting him". Some people just want to see him make an adjustment.
You don't want to see him making an adjustment from what he's doing? And if you do, then are you a doubter too? |
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 7:40 am Post subject: |
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Tyrion Lannister wrote: | Its going to be a long season. |
Winter is coming.... |
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LoyalLakerfan44 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 7:46 am Post subject: |
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I've come to conclusion that (bleep) about coaching is not going to change anything. These coaches all come in with the purpose of winning it is really up the quality of players they have whether they succeed or not. Brown won in Cleveland because of LeBron, MDA in Phoenix because of Nash, and Byron in NO because of CP3 and in Jersey because of Kidd.
Kobe is great but at the twilight of his career and there's nobody else to help him. We saw a glimpse of what they could do the first game when Nash played that isn't going to happen and Byron cannot make miracles.
I think these P&M threads about coaching are really trash and without basis.
With regards to 3 pointers, the truth is Byron does not have good 3 pt shooters, if they start chucking 3 pointers and missing, this thread would be about why are they shooting so many threes?
It's never going to end until we realize this team is trash and we just don't have good quality players. Nothing we have is going to give us anything decent back, it's trash. |
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lukewaltonsdad Star Player
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 7:47 am Post subject: |
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MJST wrote: | "if he could go" isn't happening.
Scott said Lin'd likely be starting and Nash coming off the bench. |
Lin likely won't play...Nash is listed as a probable starter according to Pincus. Even if Lin does play, and Nash says he's healthy, I'd still think Scott would favor Nash. Either way, it's all moot; Nash will hurt himself and force Scott's hand...the disappointing thing to me in all of this is Nash should have already been benched... |
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CabinCreek44 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 7:51 am Post subject: |
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Maybe we could lose a game, or play a bad quarter, or allow a 10-0 run, during an actual regular season game, before we begin the P&M about Byron Scott?
The best players on this team are geezing, the rest of the "talent" is spotty at best, we're already loaded with the injured and infirm, and Byron is a stiff because we're losing games that don't even count?
As Tyrion Lannister said, it's going to be a long season. |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 7:57 am Post subject: |
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lukewaltonsdad wrote: | MJST wrote: | "if he could go" isn't happening.
Scott said Lin'd likely be starting and Nash coming off the bench. |
Lin likely won't play...Nash is listed as a probable starter according to Pincus. Even if Lin does play, and Nash says he's healthy, I'd still think Scott would favor Nash. Either way, it's all moot; Nash will hurt himself and force Scott's hand...the disappointing thing to me in all of this is Nash should have already been benched... |
I agree with playing Nash significantly in the pre season. Best to see what he can do now. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 8:05 am Post subject: |
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chrisca91 wrote: | I hope he hasn't coached any offensive sets, because if he has... well I don't see him lasting long.
And what the hell is with the stupid no threes concept? Like seriously no one gives a (bleep) about your crappy 90s team concepts that are outdated. The NBA has evolved. Adapt or die. |
the no 3s concept is like a 70s team concept, when the NBA literally didn't have 3s... _________________ "Now, if life is coffee, then the jobs, money & position in society are the cups. They are just tools to hold & contain life, but the quality of life doesn't change. Sometimes, by concentrating only on the cup, we fail to enjoy the coffee in it." |
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