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greenfrog
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| 27 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Sad to say, but is it possible Kobe's PPG > total # of Lakers wins this season? |
geez, the way it looking, that seems extremely likely. I can't believe this might be a worse season than the last.
I guess I'm going to be just rooting hard against certain teams. And the teams i do not want to make it to the finals are, in order, clippers, spurs, cavs. I obviously do not want the celtics to win it but i won't mention teams that don't have a chance. |
last season's team overachieved. people were just too blinded by anger to see it because the Lakers are almost never really bad. |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:05 am Post subject: |
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| dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | We shot plenty of them last year.  |
And our offense was pretty good considering how many NBA vagabonds we had. |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:06 am Post subject: |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | last season's team overachieved. |
Yep. |
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dont_be_a_wuss
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:11 am Post subject: |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | We shot plenty of them last year. |
And our offense was pretty good considering how many NBA vagabonds we had. |
Teams don't play defense with the same intensity when you are letting them score 140+ points. Our 21st place efficiency was higher than it should have been because teams didn't need to play much defense; they were saving energy for the next opponent. |
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chazz
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Lakers do not have an inside out game to open up the three pointer....They play side to side or they play Kobe ball and watch. Even the announcers were calling it Micheal Jackson and the Tito's.
I am all for an open three point shot but the Lakers do not play that way |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:31 am Post subject: |
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| chazz wrote: | Lakers do not have an inside out game to open up the three pointer....They play side to side or they play Kobe ball and watch. Even the announcers were calling it Micheal Jackson and the Tito's.
I am all for an open three point shot but the Lakers do not play that way |
Kobe ball or Lin ball. The sets devolve after 5 seconds. |
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razor
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as if the lakers didn't have everything against them, this is a major issue. Every team has stocked up on three point shooters and spread the floor. Since the lakers have zero three pt shooters, they basically will be outscored 3 to 2 on many possessions, or 3 to 0.
I really don't know how mitch can sleep at night, just collecting a check and probably being strapped by jimmy, awful decisions for many years now.
And wtf was Byron doing last night, he yanks wes quickly and puts in price for three guards on the floor, then actually lets x play, without a pre-season game under his belt, that is bad stuff. |
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Poor Clarkson being backed down by Harden. Welcome to the NBA.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | pmacla wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | pmacla wrote: | | who on this team do you exactly wan tto shoot the 3 ?? |
Wes for example, should be in the corner 3 pocket; he's usually at the 18-20 foot range for some bizarre reason.
Other guys should be learning to hit the corner 3 but I fear we will rarely see that shot. It's really an antiquated system that doesn't fit the personnel.
I agree that this team shouldn't sniff MDA-level 3 point shooting, but the spacing on this team is horrific. |
Funny a year ago most thought having Nick Young on the team was a bad joke now the team desperately misses Nick Young lol |
It's really not about trying to achieve maximum 3 point volume. As Wolf said, it's about spacing and having a colorable 3 point threat. Did you see how the Rox started packing in the lane since the Lakers were unwilling to shoot 3s?
And today's NBA players are quick/long enough to contest 18-20 foot jumpers. Defensive schemes also allow you to cover more ground when you as a team have decided to reduce the spatial boundaries from 23'9 to basically 18-20 feet. That's a LOT of ground you are conceding.
If a team like the Spurs/Rox get hot with 3 point shooting for a night, say 12-25, they will blow the Lakers out of the water. |
You and Wolf are spot on. It is all about spacing. Even shooting a low percentage, if you make a few the defense will adjust. And with a penetrating PG like Lin that corner 3 should almost always be open. Adding Nick will help, and Kelly as well. But guys like Price and Wes need to shoot the 3 ball.
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Lin has always had lots of 3 point shooters (Knicks and Houston) to space the floor. He drives into the lane and kicks out to a 12 foot shot? Just doesn't work space-wise.
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That's where I have a problem with the personnel we run out there; I can't stand Wesley, and I think Kobe is better suited at the 3 during spurts in the game. I'd run more Lin, Clarkson, and even Kelly (when he's healthy) out there. Let Kobe work out of the post and space the floor with shooters.
I'd also do the same with Lin and have more Kelly and Clarkson out there. When Nick gets back, he should help as well. We're just very limited with what we can do right now because we're not that talented; however, it doesn't help matter when Byron is running antiquated sets and settling on the lowest percentage shot in basketball... |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Lin has always had lots of 3 point shooters (Knicks and Houston) to space the floor. He drives into the lane and kicks out to a 12 foot shot? Just doesn't work space-wise. |
Does Sasha still have his 3 point shot??? Bring back the machine? 
https://twitter.com/SashaVujacic |
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Byron needs to fix his offense. he needs to realize that shooting 3s will help the team... that or, he needs to quit.
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leor_77
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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| 9 million for Jordan Hill - 6 million for Meeks. I sure as hell know who I'd rather have. |
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kcxiv
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In the NBA today you need to shoot the 3. Lastnight we would cut the lead in half, it was great, then out of no where the Rockets hit 3 3's in a row and all the work and fastbreaks we did to cut the lead was gone without any effort from Houston.
NBA is different now days. |
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jlinfan
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Drifts wrote: | | Byron needs to fix his offense. he needs to realize that shooting 3s will help the team... that or, he needs to quit. |
I think he gets a pass until everyone gets healthy, then sometime after that to implement his offense. Probably looking at end of year before he goes to plan B. |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:59 pm Post subject: Re: 3 Point Disparity is Going to Be A Killer |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | Winning Teams Last Night:
Rox shot 12-29 (41%)
Spurs shot 14-28 (50%)
Pelicans shot 4-17 (but had 62 rebounds compared to Lakers' 36 rebounds).
Losing Teams Last Night:
Lakers shot 3-10 (30%)
Orlando shot 4-11 (36%), lost by 17.
Dallas shot 8-21 (38%), lost by 1.
Of course this is just a one night sample, but the trend with the better NBA teams is to take and make 3 pointers. We are hovering around the 3 point #s that Scott wants (10 3pas). When we shoot a low FG%, and can't rebound in an elite fashion (like the Pelicans did despite a low 3 point %), we're in for some trouble. We just can't "catch up" with teams just by shooting low % long 2s.
I hope Scott reconsiders his offensive scheme a bit. I see no corner 3s, and way too many 18-20 foot jumpers, which teams will let the Lakers shoot. |
Yep. We can't win no matter what. We needed Kobe to be Kobe, which I think will happen, Davis to break out, which I think he will, Randle to have a ROY type of season and Lin to go back to Linsanity Lin, which I don't think will happen. But losing Randle put a nail in our coffin.
That being said, you can't win in today's NBA without shooting treys.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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| pmacla wrote: | | who on this team do you exactly wan tto shoot the 3 ?? |
Jeremy Lin. Kobe. Price. |
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44TheLogo
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| leor_77 wrote: | | 9 million for Jordan Hill - 6 million for Meeks. I sure as hell know who I'd rather have. |
considering meeks isn't playing for another 2 months...Hill? |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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| 44TheLogo wrote: | | leor_77 wrote: | | 9 million for Jordan Hill - 6 million for Meeks. I sure as hell know who I'd rather have. |
considering meeks isn't playing for another 2 months...Hill? |
Plus, isn't Jordan's a 1-yr deal with a 2nd yr team option? And Meeks a 3-yr guaranteed deal? I'll take Hill. |
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AllorNothing
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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Better to have a 66 game schedule this year
Or just an NBA strike. |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | 44TheLogo wrote: | | leor_77 wrote: | | 9 million for Jordan Hill - 6 million for Meeks. I sure as hell know who I'd rather have. |
considering meeks isn't playing for another 2 months...Hill? |
Plus, isn't Jordan's a 1-yr deal with a 2nd yr team option? And Meeks a 3-yr guaranteed deal? I'll take Hill. |
Yes. |
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PHX: 16-32 3 pointers (50%) 
Lakers: 4-13 (31%).
Is this ISH that difficult for the team to figure out? We will be run out of the building if we don't shoot and make 3s. I get the argument that we don't have excellent 3 point shooters on the whole, but the scheme also has no corner 3s, and settles for long 2 pointers.
Until we right this department, I fear we may not even win a single game in the first 10.
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32 point difference last night in a 20 point loss.
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