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frijolero01 Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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ringfinger wrote: | drzucchini wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | We should be moving towards the elimination of the use of these terms, even if that means some "acceptable" situations get caught in the mix. |
Phenomenal idea. In fact, let's take this noble cause a step further and also ban words such as "idiot." After all, it has a very specific medical definition, and usage of such a word today could show blatant disrespect of those who are unfortunate enough to be severely mentally disabled. |
If you feel that way, I recommend you work on that.
Keep us posted on your progress? |
does that mean latinos can't call each other "buey" too? because to us, it's the equivalent as the "igga" word. _________________ Thank you, Kobe. We love you. |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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KobeBryantCliffordBrown wrote: | Ha! Kobe has definitely embraced his African American culture. I think he came back from Italy somewhat disposed of a cultural identity. But that right there, that was straight from the corner of MLK and Crenshaw back in the day.
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I don't think being straight from Crenshaw is right and being cosmopolitan and more European is wrong. I think as long as you have pride in who you are and where you come from, no one inside or outside of you ethnicity ought to be able to tell you how to be that ethnicity. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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greenfrog Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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frijolero01 wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | drzucchini wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | We should be moving towards the elimination of the use of these terms, even if that means some "acceptable" situations get caught in the mix. |
Phenomenal idea. In fact, let's take this noble cause a step further and also ban words such as "idiot." After all, it has a very specific medical definition, and usage of such a word today could show blatant disrespect of those who are unfortunate enough to be severely mentally disabled. |
If you feel that way, I recommend you work on that.
Keep us posted on your progress? |
does that mean latinos can't call each other "buey" too? because to us, it's the equivalent as the "igga" word. |
do non-latinos use that word or a variation of it? the difference with what kobe said i suppose is that racists love that word. |
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golaker Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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KobeBryantCliffordBrown wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | Oh jeez. Not another one of these discussions again. These will never end well when it involves a Laker (especially the Kobester).
Frankly, I couldn't tell from the audio if that's what he said.
But racism, including the use of ethnic slurs, should not be tolerated. |
Oh, he said it. It's obvious. I've heard and said it thousands of times. And it ain't even close to being racist. And it ain't even close to being an ethnic slur. Context is important. |
Would you still feel that way if Donald Sterling called you a bit*h as* nigg*???
What if some random white guy was mad at you on the road and he rolled down his window and yelled "don't cut me off you bitc* as* nigg*!!!!" You still wouldn't find it racist? _________________ Maybe you think it's completely innocent. Maybe you don't. But there's no denying that what the rule book says means a lot less than what the NBA wants at any given moment. -Tim Donaghy |
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C M B Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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So what was the word used? Was it "ringfinger"? I would sue if someone called me that. _________________ http://chickhearn.ytmnd.com/
Sister Golden Hair wrote: | LAMAR ODOM is an anagram for ... DOOM ALARM
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Rivershow Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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golaker wrote: | KobeBryantCliffordBrown wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | Oh jeez. Not another one of these discussions again. These will never end well when it involves a Laker (especially the Kobester).
Frankly, I couldn't tell from the audio if that's what he said.
But racism, including the use of ethnic slurs, should not be tolerated. |
Oh, he said it. It's obvious. I've heard and said it thousands of times. And it ain't even close to being racist. And it ain't even close to being an ethnic slur. Context is important. |
Would you still feel that way if Donald Sterling called you a bit*h as* nigg*???
What if some random white guy was mad at you on the road and he rolled down his window and yelled "don't cut me off you bitc* as* nigg*!!!!" You still wouldn't find it racist? |
Just like he said context matters. A black guy can say it and it is not serious while if a white or any other race says it is raises eyebrows. That is just the way it is. Trying to argue that it should be different is stupid. There are plenty of in group words that would not be accepted by people outside of the group. You don't need to be a sociologist to understand that. |
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Dladi Vidac Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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I love Kobe more and more each day. Punk ass dwight. So glad he's not on this squad. Could never root for that (bleep) ass schmuck. _________________ "The best there is. The best there was. The best there ever will be.", said Bret Hart regarding the Los Angeles Lakers. |
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Dladi Vidac Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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C M B wrote: | So what was the word used? Was it "ringfinger"? I would sue if someone called me that. |
Dude if anyone ever called you that I would (bleep) kill them. _________________ "The best there is. The best there was. The best there ever will be.", said Bret Hart regarding the Los Angeles Lakers. |
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C M B Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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frijolero01 wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | drzucchini wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | We should be moving towards the elimination of the use of these terms, even if that means some "acceptable" situations get caught in the mix. |
Phenomenal idea. In fact, let's take this noble cause a step further and also ban words such as "idiot." After all, it has a very specific medical definition, and usage of such a word today could show blatant disrespect of those who are unfortunate enough to be severely mentally disabled. |
If you feel that way, I recommend you work on that.
Keep us posted on your progress? |
does that mean latinos can't call each other "buey" too? because to us, it's the equivalent as the "igga" word. |
no jodas, pinche guey
no era penal _________________ http://chickhearn.ytmnd.com/
Sister Golden Hair wrote: | LAMAR ODOM is an anagram for ... DOOM ALARM
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golaker Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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Rivershow wrote: | golaker wrote: | KobeBryantCliffordBrown wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | Oh jeez. Not another one of these discussions again. These will never end well when it involves a Laker (especially the Kobester).
Frankly, I couldn't tell from the audio if that's what he said.
But racism, including the use of ethnic slurs, should not be tolerated. |
Oh, he said it. It's obvious. I've heard and said it thousands of times. And it ain't even close to being racist. And it ain't even close to being an ethnic slur. Context is important. |
Would you still feel that way if Donald Sterling called you a bit*h as* nigg*???
What if some random white guy was mad at you on the road and he rolled down his window and yelled "don't cut me off you bitc* as* nigg*!!!!" You still wouldn't find it racist? |
Just like he said context matters. A black guy can say it and it is not serious while if a white or any other race says it is raises eyebrows. That is just the way it is. Trying to argue that it should be different is stupid. There are plenty of in group words that would not be accepted by people outside of the group. You don't need to be a sociologist to understand that. |
What about Jeremy Lin? What if he were the one elbowed by Howard and he was the one who called Dwight a "nigg*".
That's the same context, would that be ok? _________________ Maybe you think it's completely innocent. Maybe you don't. But there's no denying that what the rule book says means a lot less than what the NBA wants at any given moment. -Tim Donaghy |
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troy Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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It wasn't meant in a racial way, so it's a non-story. Anybody who's played pickup games know that players of all races use niggga quite often. |
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Rivershow Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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golaker wrote: | Rivershow wrote: | golaker wrote: | KobeBryantCliffordBrown wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | Oh jeez. Not another one of these discussions again. These will never end well when it involves a Laker (especially the Kobester).
Frankly, I couldn't tell from the audio if that's what he said.
But racism, including the use of ethnic slurs, should not be tolerated. |
Oh, he said it. It's obvious. I've heard and said it thousands of times. And it ain't even close to being racist. And it ain't even close to being an ethnic slur. Context is important. |
Would you still feel that way if Donald Sterling called you a bit*h as* nigg*???
What if some random white guy was mad at you on the road and he rolled down his window and yelled "don't cut me off you bitc* as* nigg*!!!!" You still wouldn't find it racist? |
Just like he said context matters. A black guy can say it and it is not serious while if a white or any other race says it is raises eyebrows. That is just the way it is. Trying to argue that it should be different is stupid. There are plenty of in group words that would not be accepted by people outside of the group. You don't need to be a sociologist to understand that. |
What about Jeremy Lin? What if he were the one elbowed by Howard and he was the one who called Dwight a "nigg*".
That's the same context, would that be ok? |
Did you not comprehend my post? Is Jeremy Lin black? No? Ok, the answer should be obvious then.
It seems like you want to obtuse to this topic for some reason. Don't expect me to argue with you for pages over this topic. |
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golaker Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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Rivershow wrote: | golaker wrote: | Rivershow wrote: | golaker wrote: | KobeBryantCliffordBrown wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | Oh jeez. Not another one of these discussions again. These will never end well when it involves a Laker (especially the Kobester).
Frankly, I couldn't tell from the audio if that's what he said.
But racism, including the use of ethnic slurs, should not be tolerated. |
Oh, he said it. It's obvious. I've heard and said it thousands of times. And it ain't even close to being racist. And it ain't even close to being an ethnic slur. Context is important. |
Would you still feel that way if Donald Sterling called you a bit*h as* nigg*???
What if some random white guy was mad at you on the road and he rolled down his window and yelled "don't cut me off you bitc* as* nigg*!!!!" You still wouldn't find it racist? |
Just like he said context matters. A black guy can say it and it is not serious while if a white or any other race says it is raises eyebrows. That is just the way it is. Trying to argue that it should be different is stupid. There are plenty of in group words that would not be accepted by people outside of the group. You don't need to be a sociologist to understand that. |
What about Jeremy Lin? What if he were the one elbowed by Howard and he was the one who called Dwight a "nigg*".
That's the same context, would that be ok? |
Did you not comprehend my post? Is Jeremy Lin black? No? Ok, the answer should be obvious then. |
I think you don't understand what context means, but that's ok. One person being black and one person being white doesn't define a different context. _________________ Maybe you think it's completely innocent. Maybe you don't. But there's no denying that what the rule book says means a lot less than what the NBA wants at any given moment. -Tim Donaghy |
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C M B Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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Dladi Vidac wrote: | C M B wrote: | So what was the word used? Was it "ringfinger"? I would sue if someone called me that. |
Dude if anyone ever called you that I would (bleep) kill them. |
You see, fear is a fighter's best friend. You know, but it ain't nothing to be ashamed of. See, fear keeps you sharp, it keeps you awake, you know, it makes you want to survive. You know what I mean? But the thing is, you gotta learn how to control it. All right? 'Cause fear is like this fire, all right? And it's burning deep inside. Now, if you control it, Tommy, it's gonna make you hot. But, you see, if this thing here, it controls you, it's gonna burn you and everything else around you up. That's right, you know? _________________ http://chickhearn.ytmnd.com/
Sister Golden Hair wrote: | LAMAR ODOM is an anagram for ... DOOM ALARM
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Rivershow Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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golaker wrote: |
I think you don't understand what context means, but that's ok. One person being black and one person being white doesn't define a different context. |
Yes it does because the word is used mainly among african americans. The word also has an ugly history among racist who are often not African american. That is context right there. |
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golaker Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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Lol whatever. Good luck with that. _________________ Maybe you think it's completely innocent. Maybe you don't. But there's no denying that what the rule book says means a lot less than what the NBA wants at any given moment. -Tim Donaghy |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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Guys when you use that terrible word, better make sure to ENUNCIATE as a beatdown is contingent upon the proper pronunciation of -a or -er. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Rivershow Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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golaker wrote: | Lol whatever. Good luck with that. |
Next time learn what context actually is. And the history of the word itself. |
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ringfinger Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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C M B wrote: | So what was the word used? Was it "ringfinger"? I would sue if someone called me that. |
That's not nice. My mother gave me my name. |
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frijolero01 Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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C M B wrote: | frijolero01 wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | drzucchini wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | We should be moving towards the elimination of the use of these terms, even if that means some "acceptable" situations get caught in the mix. |
Phenomenal idea. In fact, let's take this noble cause a step further and also ban words such as "idiot." After all, it has a very specific medical definition, and usage of such a word today could show blatant disrespect of those who are unfortunate enough to be severely mentally disabled. |
If you feel that way, I recommend you work on that.
Keep us posted on your progress? |
does that mean latinos can't call each other "buey" too? because to us, it's the equivalent as the "igga" word. |
no jodas, pinche guey
no era penal |
noooo! racist! _________________ Thank you, Kobe. We love you. |
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sonic the laker Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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Ok. I'm going to TRY to give the point of this tread some clarity. I'll do my best anyways....
In regards to the use of the "N" word, the is a bit complex, because of the history of the word.
Most educated people should have some knowledge of the origin of the "N" word, so I'm going to skip that. Suffice to say that, the word was originally meant to be descriptive, not derogatory.
Of course, over time, the usage/meaning of the word changed to something more sinister. Most people know this.
Recently however, the "N" word has seen usage to convey something other than "description" or "derogation" in its meaning. Granted, the "new N" word at first was mostly used between black people. It was "our" word.
But, propagation of the "new N" through music, movies, and other major media, has spread the word beyond the bounds of the black neighborhoods/homes. Once this happened, a word that black people considered their own, a right earned through decades of blood, sweat, and death, wasn't just theirs anymore.
The word was ok for blacks, and non-spanish latino/a's to use. Since we had a shared history of discrimination, and non-acceptance. Can't speak for Native Americans, but I'm sure if they wanted to use the word, it would be fine too, given their history.
The "N" word was seen as a word of "ownership" when used in the past. The word "boy", also falls into this group. Now, black people own themselves, and that freedom took expression through our usage of the "new N" word. For some in the black community the "new N" word means brotherhood, not humiliation. Of course, the debate of the usage rages on, within the black community.
All that being said. Now, the "N" word is out there. I, for one, am not offended when non-blacks use the word. Granted, most non-blacks use it because it's the new fad. But, instead of punishing people for saying the word, I like to educate people, so there's a better understanding of what that word means to black people, and why we use it. If my non-black brothers wanna use that word to try to connect with me, cool.
Anyways, a lot of text, and I'm sure that what I posted doesn't really cover it all, but I could literally go on and on about this topic. Just wanted to make it as short as possible, while getting my point of view across.
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kaoss128 Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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If a white player had said it he would have been fined. You can't have that double standard. |
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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Igga and igger are 2 completely different words. Racists love and use the latter. Blacks use the former among themselves. |
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Dladi Vidac Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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C M B wrote: | Dladi Vidac wrote: | C M B wrote: | So what was the word used? Was it "ringfinger"? I would sue if someone called me that. |
Dude if anyone ever called you that I would (bleep) kill them. |
You see, fear is a fighter's best friend. You know, but it ain't nothing to be ashamed of. See, fear keeps you sharp, it keeps you awake, you know, it makes you want to survive. You know what I mean? But the thing is, you gotta learn how to control it. All right? 'Cause fear is like this fire, all right? And it's burning deep inside. Now, if you control it, Tommy, it's gonna make you hot. But, you see, if this thing here, it controls you, it's gonna burn you and everything else around you up. That's right, you know? |
(bleep), I am going to (bleep) kill you now. Lmao _________________ "The best there is. The best there was. The best there ever will be.", said Bret Hart regarding the Los Angeles Lakers. |
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kobeandgary Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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kaoss128 wrote: | If a white player had said it he would have been fined. You can't have that double standard. |
Bingo, and if that is a problem then use a more politically correct word to substitute in for it, it's not to hard. |
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