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appwrangler
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| Jeggs wrote: | | appwrangler wrote: | | Jeggs wrote: |
I know what I'm saying was it was higher than Lebron's. It's an interesting example I think.
37 shots isn't a bad thing coming from your best player. Lebron defers to his teammates after shooting poorly and they lose by 20. Kobe shoots 37 shots and we were competitive the whole game.
Be an interesting stat to see how many put backs we got on Kobe's misses since he attracts so much attention. As long as Kobe's shots are within the half court offense, they are good shots imo. |
Kobe is our best player, but let's leave that aside for a second.
Basketball is fundamentally a game of statistics, and taking low percentage shots will not win a game, no matter how many of those you take. |
If it was fundamentally about statistics, mathematicians would be playing out there. Basketball has nothing to do with statistics....Fantasy basketball is fundamentally about statistics. You've never played ball at any competitive level it would seem. |
Not all of us who played in college were "dumb jocks". More than most other sports, basketball is a game of statistics. There are many opportunities during a game to score and the objective is to take advantage of the highest percentage opportunity. There are different ways to determine the highest percentage opportunity: the best player, the best shot location, the best pace, etc. Anyone who has played at a higher level knows that if you don't take advantage of those best opportunities it is like playing against the house at a casino, given enough time you're guaranteed to lose. |
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appwrangler
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| Jeggs wrote: | | appwrangler wrote: | | Treble Clef wrote: | | Jeggs wrote: | | You won't believe this but Kobe shot at a higher percentage than Lebron today. |
He shot a higher percentage than a lot of players did today but who cares. 37 shots is way too many. |
At 38% Kobe's average was higher than others tonight, sure. But it was lower than Lin (50%), Boozer (46%), Ellington (43%) and Hill (40%). Those guys were all out on the court with him tonight and he should have considered getting them a bit more involved. |
This is what you don't get. Your looking at the stat sheet. The reality is these guys can't create their own shots. And when they realize it, there is 5 seconds left on the shot clock, looking to pass to Kobe for the bail out. |
No, I'm not looking at the stat sheet. I'm looking at the best opportunities on the floor. Yes a lower percentage shooter might be a better opportunity but a player going one on three for a long two is almost never the best shot. |
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Tonnny
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| Jeggs wrote: | | Treble Clef wrote: | | Jeggs wrote: | | appwrangler wrote: | | Treble Clef wrote: | | Jeggs wrote: | | You won't believe this but Kobe shot at a higher percentage than Lebron today. |
He shot a higher percentage than a lot of players did today but who cares. 37 shots is way too many. |
At 38% Kobe's average was higher than others tonight, sure. But it was lower than Lin (50%), Boozer (46%), Ellington (43%) and Hill (40%). Those guys were all out on the court with him tonight and he should have considered getting them a bit more involved. |
I know what I'm saying was it was higher than Lebron's. It's an interesting example I think.
37 shots isn't a bad thing coming from your best player. Lebron defers to his teammates after shooting poorly and they lose by 20. Kobe shoots 37 shots and we were competitive the whole game.
Be an interesting stat to see how many put backs we got on Kobe's misses since he attracts so much attention. |
So LeBron and Kobe both had forgettable games. Cool. |
If it isn't obvious, I'm trying to show you why Kobe has more championships than Lebron. Lebron is going to shy away at a certain point because he was shooting poorly...and he will be less aggressive which is more detrimental to the team than just having a bad shooting night. He will defer when the game is tough for him.
Kobe will keep being aggressive regardless if he shoots poorly or not. If you are the best player on the team, you need to be aggressive the whole game. The only reason the Lakers had a fighting chance this game was because Kobe was aggressive. If Kobe didn't play we probably would have lost the game by 30 points.
When Lebron isn't aggressive, that's what happens...Portland took advantage, and won by 20.
If Kobe had the mental midget mentality that some of you guys want him to have, he wouldn't have 5 rings. |
Kobe is more lucky to have met prime Shaq. |
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Anthony Peeler
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For me, the eye test matched the stats. As I watched the game, it seemed like Kobe was taking too many shots and playing too much. In the 4th quarter, I was wondering where Lin was, and when he came back, he nearly brought the Lakers back with all his drives in the paint.
When I looked at the stat sheet, I wasn't surprised to see that Kobe took 37 shots (43 really, if include half the free throw attempts) and only had 1 assist. Basically, Kobe took 40% of the Lakers shots, that's unacceptable. Some of it may be that the other Lakers were passive but the eye test showed me that Kobe missed a lot of open players -- he was in blackhole, chuck mode last night.
The stats also showed that Lin only played 27 minutes, while Kobe played 44. A better balance would be Lin 35, Kobe 36.
I've written here before that I'm not sure what we do about Kobe ballhoggism. I'd like to see Kobe sit for one game and see how the Lakers play without him. I don't mean to say that the Lakers would be a better team without him, I just want to see how the flow is without him. |
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Jeggs
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| Tonnny wrote: | | Jeggs wrote: | | Treble Clef wrote: | | Jeggs wrote: | | appwrangler wrote: | | Treble Clef wrote: | | Jeggs wrote: | | You won't believe this but Kobe shot at a higher percentage than Lebron today. |
He shot a higher percentage than a lot of players did today but who cares. 37 shots is way too many. |
At 38% Kobe's average was higher than others tonight, sure. But it was lower than Lin (50%), Boozer (46%), Ellington (43%) and Hill (40%). Those guys were all out on the court with him tonight and he should have considered getting them a bit more involved. |
I know what I'm saying was it was higher than Lebron's. It's an interesting example I think.
37 shots isn't a bad thing coming from your best player. Lebron defers to his teammates after shooting poorly and they lose by 20. Kobe shoots 37 shots and we were competitive the whole game.
Be an interesting stat to see how many put backs we got on Kobe's misses since he attracts so much attention. |
So LeBron and Kobe both had forgettable games. Cool. |
If it isn't obvious, I'm trying to show you why Kobe has more championships than Lebron. Lebron is going to shy away at a certain point because he was shooting poorly...and he will be less aggressive which is more detrimental to the team than just having a bad shooting night. He will defer when the game is tough for him.
Kobe will keep being aggressive regardless if he shoots poorly or not. If you are the best player on the team, you need to be aggressive the whole game. The only reason the Lakers had a fighting chance this game was because Kobe was aggressive. If Kobe didn't play we probably would have lost the game by 30 points.
When Lebron isn't aggressive, that's what happens...Portland took advantage, and won by 20.
If Kobe had the mental midget mentality that some of you guys want him to have, he wouldn't have 5 rings. |
Kobe is more lucky to have met prime Shaq. |
How many rings did Shaq have before playing with Kobe again? And who got more rings when they parted? |
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catman2u
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 5:22 am Post subject: What the? |
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| Tonnny wrote: | | TDRock wrote: | That John Ireland interview of JLin was deplorable.
And I have no idea what Worthy is talking about, Lin was the least of our problems today. |
Lin is accustomed to be taken out for 20mins when playing well, and sub in when the team is losing with few mins left. Lin is always the best scapegoat candidate. |
I didn't get it either. Lin seemed to be the only guy on the team attacking the basket and looking for the open man. Also he should always be in when the other team is in foul trouble since he will drive and pickup fouls (hello coach?). Early on he made numerous setups that were just missed by a thencold shooting team. Even if he did make some mistakes (who didn't) he needs to be allowed to play thru them, as Kobe does. I conjecture if Lin played 40 minutes last night the Lakers would have won. |
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catman2u
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 5:30 am Post subject: Yep |
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| appwrangler wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | songunsw wrote: | | Raydiation wrote: | how open do you need to be for Kobe to pass you the ball?
Jeremy was wide open basically EVERY PHX run into Kobe.
and Kobe still decided to shot a contested shot on a 1 on 5 and miss. |
It seems Kobe only cares his own stats. He has to understand no team can win without playing like a team!! |
And how would they do that? They don't have anybody going on the offense...Boozer can't post up, Wes Johnson stinks, Lin passes up way too many shooting opportunities and ends up dumping it to Boozer or Hill. |
In the fourth, Lin scored about half as much as Kobe, who took six times as many shots. The problem wasn't Lin passing up opportunities, it was Kobe going 1 on 3 every time down the court. |
I agree. That's what I saw. i also saw, to my total confusion, Lin sitting on the bench when Phoenix was in foul trouble. Lin was attacking and easily could have picked up 6 more points from the line. A way better strategy than Kobe 1 on 3. Also Lin can only shoot 3's if he is passed the ball. He was open a number of times. This is on the coach. He needs to convince Kobe to pass and play team D or there is no chance. |
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catman2u
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| Jeggs wrote: | | appwrangler wrote: | | Treble Clef wrote: | | Jeggs wrote: | | You won't believe this but Kobe shot at a higher percentage than Lebron today. |
He shot a higher percentage than a lot of players did today but who cares. 37 shots is way too many. |
At 38% Kobe's average was higher than others tonight, sure. But it was lower than Lin (50%), Boozer (46%), Ellington (43%) and Hill (40%). Those guys were all out on the court with him tonight and he should have considered getting them a bit more involved. |
I know what I'm saying was it was higher than Lebron's. It's an interesting example I think.
37 shots isn't a bad thing coming from your best player. Lebron defers to his teammates after shooting poorly and they lose by 20. Kobe shoots 37 shots and we were competitive the whole game.
Be an interesting stat to see how many put backs we got on Kobe's misses since he attracts so much attention. As long as Kobe's shots are within the half court offense, they are good shots imo. |
Yeah Lebron defers--smart bb. He had 7 assists, Kobe 1. Even 2 if he passed to Lin in the corner may have changed the game. I didn't see the Cleveland game so I can't speculate why Cleveland lost. I did however see LA. No speculation. Clearly Kobe hero ball isn't working or is 0-5 a success in your mind? Justify 38% shooting cause there MIGHT be put backs. Lets bench all the 40-50 percent shooters in put in scrubs cause there might be put backs. |
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catman2u
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| lakersken80 wrote: | | Jeggs wrote: | | appwrangler wrote: | | Jeggs wrote: |
I know what I'm saying was it was higher than Lebron's. It's an interesting example I think.
37 shots isn't a bad thing coming from your best player. Lebron defers to his teammates after shooting poorly and they lose by 20. Kobe shoots 37 shots and we were competitive the whole game.
Be an interesting stat to see how many put backs we got on Kobe's misses since he attracts so much attention. As long as Kobe's shots are within the half court offense, they are good shots imo. |
Kobe is our best player, but let's leave that aside for a second.
Basketball is fundamentally a game of statistics, and taking low percentage shots will not win a game, no matter how many of those you take. |
If it was fundamentally about statistics, mathematicians would be playing out there. Basketball has nothing to do with statistics....Fantasy basketball is fundamentally about statistics. You've never played ball at any competitive level it would seem. |
Exactly, too many people watch the stat lines instead of the game. |
I watched the game and what I saw was Kobe missing way too many shots and passing up passes to team mates with open looks. 0-5 tells the story. Hero ball isn't working, time to try something else. |
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catman2u
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| Jeggs wrote: | | appwrangler wrote: | | Treble Clef wrote: | | Jeggs wrote: | | You won't believe this but Kobe shot at a higher percentage than Lebron today. |
He shot a higher percentage than a lot of players did today but who cares. 37 shots is way too many. |
At 38% Kobe's average was higher than others tonight, sure. But it was lower than Lin (50%), Boozer (46%), Ellington (43%) and Hill (40%). Those guys were all out on the court with him tonight and he should have considered getting them a bit more involved. |
This is what you don't get. Your looking at the stat sheet. The reality is these guys can't create their own shots. And when they realize it, there is 5 seconds left on the shot clock, looking to pass to Kobe for the bail out. |
Yes, except for Lin they can't create their own shots, which is EXACTLY why the team needs an offsnsive system that spreads the floor, opens lanes and shots. |
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Jeggs
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 5:55 am Post subject: |
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| appwrangler wrote: | | Jeggs wrote: | | appwrangler wrote: | | Jeggs wrote: |
I know what I'm saying was it was higher than Lebron's. It's an interesting example I think.
37 shots isn't a bad thing coming from your best player. Lebron defers to his teammates after shooting poorly and they lose by 20. Kobe shoots 37 shots and we were competitive the whole game.
Be an interesting stat to see how many put backs we got on Kobe's misses since he attracts so much attention. As long as Kobe's shots are within the half court offense, they are good shots imo. |
Kobe is our best player, but let's leave that aside for a second.
Basketball is fundamentally a game of statistics, and taking low percentage shots will not win a game, no matter how many of those you take. |
If it was fundamentally about statistics, mathematicians would be playing out there. Basketball has nothing to do with statistics....Fantasy basketball is fundamentally about statistics. You've never played ball at any competitive level it would seem. |
Not all of us who played in college were "dumb jocks". More than most other sports, basketball is a game of statistics. There are many opportunities during a game to score and the objective is to take advantage of the highest percentage opportunity. There are different ways to determine the highest percentage opportunity: the best player, the best shot location, the best pace, etc. Anyone who has played at a higher level knows that if you don't take advantage of those best opportunities it is like playing against the house at a casino, given enough time you're guaranteed to lose. |
You don't get it. Skill level and talent is the ultimate determining factor as to whether a shot is high percentage. Just because a team is leaving Wesley Johnson open all game for a 'high percentage shot' doesn't mean Wesley should take that shot all the time. Your logic is flawed because you are weighing stats and coaching over talent and skill level. There is no legit 2nd option. Many of these guys are border line d-league players. If Phil Jackson was coaching we would have the same record.
Kobe has to keep shooting at a high clip for this team to have a shot at winning. I would say 35 shots a game is acceptable. The guy should get 40 shots a game for having to play with all these Tito Jacksons. |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:09 am Post subject: |
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| Anthony Peeler wrote: | For me, the eye test matched the stats. As I watched the game, it seemed like Kobe was taking too many shots and playing too much. In the 4th quarter, I was wondering where Lin was, and when he came back, he nearly brought the Lakers back with all his drives in the paint.
When I looked at the stat sheet, I wasn't surprised to see that Kobe took 37 shots (43 really, if include half the free throw attempts) and only had 1 assist. Basically, Kobe took 40% of the Lakers shots, that's unacceptable. Some of it may be that the other Lakers were passive but the eye test showed me that Kobe missed a lot of open players -- he was in blackhole, chuck mode last night.
The stats also showed that Lin only played 27 minutes, while Kobe played 44. A better balance would be Lin 35, Kobe 36.
I've written here before that I'm not sure what we do about Kobe ballhoggism. I'd like to see Kobe sit for one game and see how the Lakers play without him. I don't mean to say that the Lakers would be a better team without him, I just want to see how the flow is without him. |
Well get ready, that is all what this season is about, Losing and Kobe taking 39 shots to score 38 points!!!! Just ridiculous!!!!
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| Jeggs wrote: | | appwrangler wrote: | | Jeggs wrote: | | appwrangler wrote: | | Jeggs wrote: |
I know what I'm saying was it was higher than Lebron's. It's an interesting example I think.
37 shots isn't a bad thing coming from your best player. Lebron defers to his teammates after shooting poorly and they lose by 20. Kobe shoots 37 shots and we were competitive the whole game.
Be an interesting stat to see how many put backs we got on Kobe's misses since he attracts so much attention. As long as Kobe's shots are within the half court offense, they are good shots imo. |
Kobe is our best player, but let's leave that aside for a second.
Basketball is fundamentally a game of statistics, and taking low percentage shots will not win a game, no matter how many of those you take. |
If it was fundamentally about statistics, mathematicians would be playing out there. Basketball has nothing to do with statistics....Fantasy basketball is fundamentally about statistics. You've never played ball at any competitive level it would seem. |
Not all of us who played in college were "dumb jocks". More than most other sports, basketball is a game of statistics. There are many opportunities during a game to score and the objective is to take advantage of the highest percentage opportunity. There are different ways to determine the highest percentage opportunity: the best player, the best shot location, the best pace, etc. Anyone who has played at a higher level knows that if you don't take advantage of those best opportunities it is like playing against the house at a casino, given enough time you're guaranteed to lose. |
You don't get it. Skill level and talent is the ultimate determining factor as to whether a shot is high percentage. Just because a team is leaving Wesley Johnson open all game for a 'high percentage shot' doesn't mean Wesley should take that shot all the time. Your logic is flawed because you are weighing stats and coaching over talent and skill level. There is no legit 2nd option. Many of these guys are border line d-league players. If Phil Jackson was coaching we would have the same record.
Kobe has to keep shooting at a high clip for this team to have a shot at winning. I would say 35 shots a game is acceptable. The guy should get 40 shots a game for having to play with all these Tito Jacksons. |
A person's "skill" is reflected in statistics. So you wouldn't have Wesley Johnson or Ronnie Price taking a lot of shots because their overall shooting percentages are low. But it could be advantageous for Wesley to take lots of certain shots (e.g., open set 3s) because his percentages on those are good.
Bottom line: talent and skill are reflected in statistics. Kobe being one of the all-time leading scorers, is a statistic. But also a statistic is him being 36 years old. 35 shots/game is NOT acceptable. Even if he's hitting them at a 50% clip, it will still turn the rest of the team into observers. |
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lakersken80
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:25 am Post subject: |
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| catman2u wrote: | | Jeggs wrote: | | appwrangler wrote: | | Treble Clef wrote: | | Jeggs wrote: | | You won't believe this but Kobe shot at a higher percentage than Lebron today. |
He shot a higher percentage than a lot of players did today but who cares. 37 shots is way too many. |
At 38% Kobe's average was higher than others tonight, sure. But it was lower than Lin (50%), Boozer (46%), Ellington (43%) and Hill (40%). Those guys were all out on the court with him tonight and he should have considered getting them a bit more involved. |
This is what you don't get. Your looking at the stat sheet. The reality is these guys can't create their own shots. And when they realize it, there is 5 seconds left on the shot clock, looking to pass to Kobe for the bail out. |
Yes, except for Lin they can't create their own shots, which is EXACTLY why the team needs an offsnsive system that spreads the floor, opens lanes and shots. |
You do realize they don't have the players to spread the floor...
They don't have 3 point shooters.
Whenever Lin drives in he dumps it to a player 2 feet away from him like Boozer or Hill... |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:28 am Post subject: |
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| catman2u wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | Jeggs wrote: | | appwrangler wrote: | | Jeggs wrote: |
I know what I'm saying was it was higher than Lebron's. It's an interesting example I think.
37 shots isn't a bad thing coming from your best player. Lebron defers to his teammates after shooting poorly and they lose by 20. Kobe shoots 37 shots and we were competitive the whole game.
Be an interesting stat to see how many put backs we got on Kobe's misses since he attracts so much attention. As long as Kobe's shots are within the half court offense, they are good shots imo. |
Kobe is our best player, but let's leave that aside for a second.
Basketball is fundamentally a game of statistics, and taking low percentage shots will not win a game, no matter how many of those you take. |
If it was fundamentally about statistics, mathematicians would be playing out there. Basketball has nothing to do with statistics....Fantasy basketball is fundamentally about statistics. You've never played ball at any competitive level it would seem. |
Exactly, too many people watch the stat lines instead of the game. |
I watched the game and what I saw was Kobe missing way too many shots and passing up passes to team mates with open looks. 0-5 tells the story. Hero ball isn't working, time to try something else. |
And Kobe shared the ball as well and they still lost the game....
Fact is this team sucks. It doesn't matter what Kobe does or doesn't do. They don't have the personnel to win against good teams.
You may think Byron Scott's no threes policy is what he wants, but look at the players that are available to him. They don't have any guys who can shoot the corner 3. |
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In the games so far, Kobe tries to go hero ball in the last 5 minutes of the game. He was determined to take the shot if he has the ball.
I have no problem with him trying to be aggressive and try to carry the team to a win, especially in a close game. However, they could have won tonight if Kobe had looked to pass more when defended by multiple players. I mean, he was draw triple teams with other players wide open but decides to take the shot anyway. |
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| lakersken80 wrote: | | catman2u wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | Jeggs wrote: | | appwrangler wrote: | | Jeggs wrote: |
I know what I'm saying was it was higher than Lebron's. It's an interesting example I think.
37 shots isn't a bad thing coming from your best player. Lebron defers to his teammates after shooting poorly and they lose by 20. Kobe shoots 37 shots and we were competitive the whole game.
Be an interesting stat to see how many put backs we got on Kobe's misses since he attracts so much attention. As long as Kobe's shots are within the half court offense, they are good shots imo. |
Kobe is our best player, but let's leave that aside for a second.
Basketball is fundamentally a game of statistics, and taking low percentage shots will not win a game, no matter how many of those you take. |
If it was fundamentally about statistics, mathematicians would be playing out there. Basketball has nothing to do with statistics....Fantasy basketball is fundamentally about statistics. You've never played ball at any competitive level it would seem. |
Exactly, too many people watch the stat lines instead of the game. |
I watched the game and what I saw was Kobe missing way too many shots and passing up passes to team mates with open looks. 0-5 tells the story. Hero ball isn't working, time to try something else. |
And Kobe shared the ball as well and they still lost the game....
Fact is this team sucks. It doesn't matter what Kobe does or doesn't do. They don't have the personnel to win against good teams.
You may think Byron Scott's no threes policy is what he wants, but look at the players that are available to him. They don't have any guys who can shoot the corner 3. |
Lin can shoot the corner 3. The team would be better served if he shot more than 2 a game. That's the coach-game plan-Kobe. When Kobe--watch the tape or youtube--is going 1 on 3 there IS a lesser player open with a higher percentage shot. Also with Kobe playing 44 minutes of hard fought offense his and the team D suffers. A couple more D stops, a couple passes and the game could have turned in the Lakers favor. |
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Tonnny
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| Jeggs wrote: | | Tonnny wrote: | | Jeggs wrote: | | Treble Clef wrote: | | Jeggs wrote: | | appwrangler wrote: | | Treble Clef wrote: | | Jeggs wrote: | | You won't believe this but Kobe shot at a higher percentage than Lebron today. |
He shot a higher percentage than a lot of players did today but who cares. 37 shots is way too many. |
At 38% Kobe's average was higher than others tonight, sure. But it was lower than Lin (50%), Boozer (46%), Ellington (43%) and Hill (40%). Those guys were all out on the court with him tonight and he should have considered getting them a bit more involved. |
I know what I'm saying was it was higher than Lebron's. It's an interesting example I think.
37 shots isn't a bad thing coming from your best player. Lebron defers to his teammates after shooting poorly and they lose by 20. Kobe shoots 37 shots and we were competitive the whole game.
Be an interesting stat to see how many put backs we got on Kobe's misses since he attracts so much attention. |
So LeBron and Kobe both had forgettable games. Cool. |
If it isn't obvious, I'm trying to show you why Kobe has more championships than Lebron. Lebron is going to shy away at a certain point because he was shooting poorly...and he will be less aggressive which is more detrimental to the team than just having a bad shooting night. He will defer when the game is tough for him.
Kobe will keep being aggressive regardless if he shoots poorly or not. If you are the best player on the team, you need to be aggressive the whole game. The only reason the Lakers had a fighting chance this game was because Kobe was aggressive. If Kobe didn't play we probably would have lost the game by 30 points.
When Lebron isn't aggressive, that's what happens...Portland took advantage, and won by 20.
If Kobe had the mental midget mentality that some of you guys want him to have, he wouldn't have 5 rings. |
Kobe is more lucky to have met prime Shaq. |
How many rings did Shaq have before playing with Kobe again? And who got more rings when they parted? |
Does not change the fact that first 3 championship mainly credited to Shaq with Shaq won all three finals MVP. |
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| catman2u wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | catman2u wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | Jeggs wrote: | | appwrangler wrote: | | Jeggs wrote: |
I know what I'm saying was it was higher than Lebron's. It's an interesting example I think.
37 shots isn't a bad thing coming from your best player. Lebron defers to his teammates after shooting poorly and they lose by 20. Kobe shoots 37 shots and we were competitive the whole game.
Be an interesting stat to see how many put backs we got on Kobe's misses since he attracts so much attention. As long as Kobe's shots are within the half court offense, they are good shots imo. |
Kobe is our best player, but let's leave that aside for a second.
Basketball is fundamentally a game of statistics, and taking low percentage shots will not win a game, no matter how many of those you take. |
If it was fundamentally about statistics, mathematicians would be playing out there. Basketball has nothing to do with statistics....Fantasy basketball is fundamentally about statistics. You've never played ball at any competitive level it would seem. |
Exactly, too many people watch the stat lines instead of the game. |
I watched the game and what I saw was Kobe missing way too many shots and passing up passes to team mates with open looks. 0-5 tells the story. Hero ball isn't working, time to try something else. |
And Kobe shared the ball as well and they still lost the game....
Fact is this team sucks. It doesn't matter what Kobe does or doesn't do. They don't have the personnel to win against good teams.
You may think Byron Scott's no threes policy is what he wants, but look at the players that are available to him. They don't have any guys who can shoot the corner 3. |
Lin can shoot the corner 3. The team would be better served if he shot more than 2 a game. That's the coach-game plan-Kobe. When Kobe--watch the tape or youtube--is going 1 on 3 there IS a lesser player open with a higher percentage shot. Also with Kobe playing 44 minutes of hard fought offense his and the team D suffers. A couple more D stops, a couple passes and the game could have turned in the Lakers favor. |
Lin isn't a 3 point specialist...sure he can shoot an occasion 3, but the Lakers don't have a Steve Novak on their roster. Without a 3 point specialist, the Lakers can't spread the floor, neither they can utilize one of Lin's strengths which is penetrating the defense and then dumping it out to a long range shooter. |
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| Couldn't watch the game last night. Guess it was another moral victory? |
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| lakersken80 wrote: | | catman2u wrote: | | Jeggs wrote: | | appwrangler wrote: | | Treble Clef wrote: | | Jeggs wrote: | | You won't believe this but Kobe shot at a higher percentage than Lebron today. |
He shot a higher percentage than a lot of players did today but who cares. 37 shots is way too many. |
At 38% Kobe's average was higher than others tonight, sure. But it was lower than Lin (50%), Boozer (46%), Ellington (43%) and Hill (40%). Those guys were all out on the court with him tonight and he should have considered getting them a bit more involved. |
This is what you don't get. Your looking at the stat sheet. The reality is these guys can't create their own shots. And when they realize it, there is 5 seconds left on the shot clock, looking to pass to Kobe for the bail out. |
Yes, except for Lin they can't create their own shots, which is EXACTLY why the team needs an offsnsive system that spreads the floor, opens lanes and shots. |
You do realize they don't have the players to spread the floor...
They don't have 3 point shooters.
Whenever Lin drives in he dumps it to a player 2 feet away from him like Boozer or Hill... |
It's noticeable that when Kobe, Boozer, Hill or Lin talk about the offense they talk about the 2 bigs, SG and PG. But what of Wes? Why isn't he cutting and Lin could have a target to throw lobs to? Or spacing the floor in a position to knock down open 3s more than we've seen. Why isn't Wes a bigger part of the offense and a target for Lin and Kobe? |
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allyoop
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| danzag wrote: | | Couldn't watch the game last night. Guess it was another moral victory? |
It was another moral victory. 
Well, look at it this way. Byron Scott will look at film. Look at Kobe throwing up 37 shots for 39 points. Look at Lin shooting (50%), Boozer (46%), Ellington (43%) and Hill (40%) and make the appropriate coaching adjustments to get this offense flowing. Bottom line. Kobe cannot be taking 40 percent of the team's shots. LOL |
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| Don't forget that the 2010-2011 Heatles with Wade, Bosh and LeBron started out with 9 wins and 8 losses. Then had a players only meeting and reeled off 12 straight wins. Sometimes it takes a bit of time to find your way. |
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| catman2u wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | catman2u wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | Jeggs wrote: | | appwrangler wrote: | | Jeggs wrote: |
I know what I'm saying was it was higher than Lebron's. It's an interesting example I think.
37 shots isn't a bad thing coming from your best player. Lebron defers to his teammates after shooting poorly and they lose by 20. Kobe shoots 37 shots and we were competitive the whole game.
Be an interesting stat to see how many put backs we got on Kobe's misses since he attracts so much attention. As long as Kobe's shots are within the half court offense, they are good shots imo. |
Kobe is our best player, but let's leave that aside for a second.
Basketball is fundamentally a game of statistics, and taking low percentage shots will not win a game, no matter how many of those you take. |
If it was fundamentally about statistics, mathematicians would be playing out there. Basketball has nothing to do with statistics....Fantasy basketball is fundamentally about statistics. You've never played ball at any competitive level it would seem. |
Exactly, too many people watch the stat lines instead of the game. |
I watched the game and what I saw was Kobe missing way too many shots and passing up passes to team mates with open looks. 0-5 tells the story. Hero ball isn't working, time to try something else. |
And Kobe shared the ball as well and they still lost the game....
Fact is this team sucks. It doesn't matter what Kobe does or doesn't do. They don't have the personnel to win against good teams.
You may think Byron Scott's no threes policy is what he wants, but look at the players that are available to him. They don't have any guys who can shoot the corner 3. |
Lin can shoot the corner 3. The team would be better served if he shot more than 2 a game. That's the coach-game plan-Kobe. When Kobe--watch the tape or youtube--is going 1 on 3 there IS a lesser player open with a higher percentage shot. Also with Kobe playing 44 minutes of hard fought offense his and the team D suffers. A couple more D stops, a couple passes and the game could have turned in the Lakers favor. |
Kelly was wide open a few times for threes but the ball refused to move his way. Corner threes usually require multiple passes. We can't even hit a guy who's open up top. |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | catman2u wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | catman2u wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | Jeggs wrote: | | appwrangler wrote: | | Jeggs wrote: |
I know what I'm saying was it was higher than Lebron's. It's an interesting example I think.
37 shots isn't a bad thing coming from your best player. Lebron defers to his teammates after shooting poorly and they lose by 20. Kobe shoots 37 shots and we were competitive the whole game.
Be an interesting stat to see how many put backs we got on Kobe's misses since he attracts so much attention. As long as Kobe's shots are within the half court offense, they are good shots imo. |
Kobe is our best player, but let's leave that aside for a second.
Basketball is fundamentally a game of statistics, and taking low percentage shots will not win a game, no matter how many of those you take. |
If it was fundamentally about statistics, mathematicians would be playing out there. Basketball has nothing to do with statistics....Fantasy basketball is fundamentally about statistics. You've never played ball at any competitive level it would seem. |
Exactly, too many people watch the stat lines instead of the game. |
I watched the game and what I saw was Kobe missing way too many shots and passing up passes to team mates with open looks. 0-5 tells the story. Hero ball isn't working, time to try something else. |
And Kobe shared the ball as well and they still lost the game....
Fact is this team sucks. It doesn't matter what Kobe does or doesn't do. They don't have the personnel to win against good teams.
You may think Byron Scott's no threes policy is what he wants, but look at the players that are available to him. They don't have any guys who can shoot the corner 3. |
Lin can shoot the corner 3. The team would be better served if he shot more than 2 a game. That's the coach-game plan-Kobe. When Kobe--watch the tape or youtube--is going 1 on 3 there IS a lesser player open with a higher percentage shot. Also with Kobe playing 44 minutes of hard fought offense his and the team D suffers. A couple more D stops, a couple passes and the game could have turned in the Lakers favor. |
Kelly was wide open a few times for threes but the ball refused to move his way. Corner threes usually require multiple passes. We can't even hit a guy who's open up top. |
This is on the coach. Especially the management of minutes. |
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