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magickobe24
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| thejet24 wrote: | | marga86 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Lebron tried a little different leadership after the game, getting into it with Kyrie in the locker room. I wondered how long it would take for him to see that Kyrie is only in it for himsefl. |
while I agree that Kyrie is starting to not exactly seem like a team player.. I will say that if I was Kyrie, I'd probably react the exact same way.
I personally don't react very well to people who give up. Watching the way LeBron gave up vs the blazers woulda driven me nuts. You could make an argument that LeBron is trying to be too "Savy" of a leader.. that can easily make ur teammates dislike you.
Like JVG said.. "when you are winning you accept your role because you are winning.. when you are losing, yea that's when you really see some true colors" |
Kyrie Irving - "Dude...you've lost more rings than you've won and have shrunk when the stage is the brightest. I don't trust you when we need you the most. You don't trust yourself or else you wouldn't be here. Give me the ball because I do believe in myself." |
yeesh... thats probably what he was thinking. |
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LakersMDGurl
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Love all the excuses they keep making. LeBron just realizing 4 games into the season that Bosh and Dwade were the best teammates he could have. Super team # 2 is going no were. Irving is not a push over, he is young and not like Dwade/Bosh to defer to LeBron like Love is already doing.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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| I knew Irving and Lehype would have problems. Irving is 22 and still ascending he's not going to take a back seat so easily. |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Kyrie will forever be known as a "Pippen" if he stays as lebron's team mate |
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Krispy Kreme
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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it's early. if the cavs don't atleast make the ECF this year, then i'll feel his decline is a potential reality.
it will still shock me if they don't atleast make it to the ecf.
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thurloly
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| I didn't read the article. However, from the title, I think it would be one of the dumbest thing I have ever read. |
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thejet24
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Been saying this for year, but once LeBron isn't the freak athlete he was in his younger days, he will regress big time. LeBron is entering that phase now.
His shot is average.
His post game is average.
His footwork is horrible.
His biggest assist is his passing, but only Magic has proven that can win championships, and he had HOF around him. Irving and Love are great players, but combined they aren't even on Kareem's level.
I say at most LeBron wins one more ring.
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Steve007
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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| marga86 wrote: | | I noticed how activeverb and dreamshake, the proverbial LeBron defenders, rarely grace threads like these. |
One of those posters was banned. That's why he hasn't shown up in any thread recently. |
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lakersken80
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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| defense wrote: | | I knew Irving and Lehype would have problems. Irving is 22 and still ascending he's not going to take a back seat so easily. |
He'll never be the #1 in Cleveland. Lebron has that city by the balls. Irving has a right to stand up for himself since he was busting his butt while the team was terrible, while Lebron was with his buddies in Miami. Now you gonna come back to your old stomping grounds and act like you gonna teach us? |
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Steve007
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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This team won't be judged on results before 2015. It's the results in May and June that are by far the most important.
In any case, people need to stop making arguments like "Magic wouldn't leave and join a super team." Magic was already on a super team. I'd take Magic, Kareem, Worthy and Scott (coached by Pat Riley) over guys like Irving and Love.
This Cavs team needs to win something before I call them a super team. |
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Team of the 80's
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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| BSPN setting up Irving as the fall guy just in case the Cavs emplode. |
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Steve007
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| lakersken80 wrote: | | defense wrote: | | I knew Irving and Lehype would have problems. Irving is 22 and still ascending he's not going to take a back seat so easily. |
He'll never be the #1 in Cleveland. Lebron has that city by the balls. Irving has a right to stand up for himself since he was busting his butt while the team was terrible, while Lebron was with his buddies in Miami. Now you gonna come back to your old stomping grounds and act like you gonna teach us? |
If this is the way that Irving thinks then Cleveland is in trouble. But maybe that is how he thinks. Irving has been treated like he was special for years, so it wouldn't surprise me. |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| 22 wrote: | | Kyrie will forever be known as a "Pippen" if he stays as lebron's team mate |
Yet he'll never be as good as Scottie Pippen. |
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| Passing has really gone down the toilet when you have NBA "analysts" creaming themselves when Kevin Love makes a full court, out let pass. Wow! |
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golaker
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LeBron has been in the league for 12 years. This new era should be dubbed "The Decline"
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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| thejet24 wrote: | | marga86 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Lebron tried a little different leadership after the game, getting into it with Kyrie in the locker room. I wondered how long it would take for him to see that Kyrie is only in it for himsefl. |
while I agree that Kyrie is starting to not exactly seem like a team player.. I will say that if I was Kyrie, I'd probably react the exact same way.
I personally don't react very well to people who give up. Watching the way LeBron gave up vs the blazers woulda driven me nuts. You could make an argument that LeBron is trying to be too "Savy" of a leader.. that can easily make ur teammates dislike you.
Like JVG said.. "when you are winning you accept your role because you are winning.. when you are losing, yea that's when you really see some true colors" |
Kyrie Irving - "Dude...you've lost more rings than you've won and have shrunk when the stage is the brightest. I don't trust you when we need you the most. You don't trust yourself or else you wouldn't be here. Give me the ball because I do believe in myself." |
Then ouch, pulled a hamstring, out another 65 games.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Steve007 wrote: | | marga86 wrote: | | I noticed how activeverb and dreamshake, the proverbial LeBron defenders, rarely grace threads like these. |
One of those posters was banned. That's why he hasn't shown up in any thread recently. |
And if posters keep calling out other posters my guess is that there will be more bans.
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| lakersken80 wrote: | | defense wrote: | | I knew Irving and Lehype would have problems. Irving is 22 and still ascending he's not going to take a back seat so easily. |
He'll never be the #1 in Cleveland. Lebron has that city by the balls. Irving has a right to stand up for himself since he was busting his butt while the team was terrible, while Lebron was with his buddies in Miami. Now you gonna come back to your old stomping grounds and act like you gonna teach us? |
Irving wasn't busting his butt, he hardly played.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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| 22 wrote: | | Kyrie will forever be known as a "Pippen" if he stays as lebron's team mate |
Pippen? The King wants him to be his Mario Chalmers. |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Irving isn't the good guy in this situation. He's been a me-first malcontent whose game is a lot more aesthetically pleasing than it is effective. That's been the case since he's been in the league, but now the spotlight is much brighter. |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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Is this the guy that moved to Miami with Lebron and moved back to Cleveland with Lebron? ... Objectivity guaranteed.
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lakers0505
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Wilt wrote: | | Is this the guy that moved to Miami with Lebron and moved back to Cleveland with Lebron? ... Objectivity guaranteed. |
He's been follow...err covering Lebron since High-School.
He's been to akron, to cleveland, to Miami and back again  |
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I kinda figured The Goat and Irving would get into it simply because Uncle Drew is a ball dominant scoring point guard. Wade at least was a Finals MVP and force of nature on both sides of the ball. Irving does nothing else but score.
So how long before Irving gets put on the trading block?
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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| City_Dawg wrote: | I kinda figured The Goat and Irving would get into it simply because Uncle Drew is a ball dominant scoring point guard. Wade at least was a Finals MVP and force of nature on both sides of the ball. Irving does nothing else but score.
So how long before Irving gets put on the trading block? |
The only thing more popcorn worthy than a Kyrie/Lebron train wreck, is the Cavs FO trying to fix the team  |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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| City_Dawg wrote: | I kinda figured The Goat and Irving would get into it simply because Uncle Drew is a ball dominant scoring point guard. Wade at least was a Finals MVP and force of nature on both sides of the ball. Irving does nothing else but score.
So how long before Irving gets put on the trading block? |
Probably as soon as they realize Lebron only has a contract for this year and will ship his ass out ASAP....  |
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