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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 2:42 pm    Post subject: Best C prospect 2015 Draft: Towns or Okafor? (& others)

Who ya got at the moment and why?

For now I like Towns better because I think he has more size and better skill suitable for the modern NBA.

DX vids for both:

Towns: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiCWUT06BX8
Okafor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64a62iEdAY8
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 4:01 pm    Post subject:

Towns has potential as a rim protector - mobile, active, wingspan/height, athletic. Towns also has potential to spread the floor, and you never know how much his game could flourish at the high post - he's got a high release and he's adept at shooting off balance. Unfortunately his low post game is just as much of a question as his high post game, IMO.

Okafor has grown to be pretty mobile and springy over the past year (watch the DX vid), his post game is extremely polished of course. No doubt his floor is about a reliable #3 scoring option for you're team in the post (which is more valuable than if he were a wing scorer). He has no jumpshot though, if he fixes that, he'll be a star.

I think Okafor will most likely be the better player, but Towns may be the better fit for our team, next to Randle - protects the rim, spreads the floor.

These two guys will both be gone by at least the 3rd pick.
If we get the 4th or the 5th pick, i like these two 7foot prospects - Porzingis - C http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WOEG1k2eCw
Myles Turner - C/Pf http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoX6y2PJeq4

Both have to put on about 20pounds to play Center in the NBA, Turner is already starting to fill out. I like these two prospects over WCS becuase they have the offensive upside that WCS has none of, on top of rim protection.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 4:23 pm    Post subject:

Excellent post KeepitRealOrElse

I'm gonna watch the vids you linked
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:33 pm    Post subject:

Okafor. Wingspan, mitts, strength, base, skill level, mobile.

Towns is more set up for the modern NBA, but it becomes less relevant if everyone else can shoot.

It's not like Okafor can't learn to shoot either.

He doesn't need a jumpshot to be a star.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:43 pm    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
Okafor. Wingspan, mitts, strength, base, skill level, mobile.

Towns is more set up for the modern NBA, but it becomes less relevant if everyone else can shoot.

It's not like Okafor can't learn to shoot either.

He doesn't need a jumpshot to be a star.


Okafor looks very polished offensively but how is he defensively? Also what is his ceiling? Can he be a 20/10 type of player in the future?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:21 pm    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
Okafor. Wingspan, mitts, strength, base, skill level, mobile.

Towns is more set up for the modern NBA, but it becomes less relevant if everyone else can shoot.

It's not like Okafor can't learn to shoot either.

He doesn't need a jumpshot to be a star.


ya i probly said that prematurely. it's just a bit hard to picture a player be an offensive star getting ALL of his points in the paint/low post. Hard to picture cuz you just don't see it today.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:17 pm    Post subject:

From the video above Karl Towns game, his mobility, gait and low post moves remind me of a prime Andrew Bynum.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJu8j9SyaGo&feature=player_detailpage#t=32
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 9:49 am    Post subject:

KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Okafor. Wingspan, mitts, strength, base, skill level, mobile.

Towns is more set up for the modern NBA, but it becomes less relevant if everyone else can shoot.

It's not like Okafor can't learn to shoot either.

He doesn't need a jumpshot to be a star.


ya i probly said that prematurely. it's just a bit hard to picture a player be an offensive star getting ALL of his points in the paint/low post. Hard to picture cuz you just don't see it today.


It's only because no one really has the skill to do so.

Al Jefferson does great with his physical tools. More size and wingspan? 20/10.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 10:04 am    Post subject:

Yeah, Okafor seems like just a bigger longer Al Jefferson, nothing wrong with that.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 10:54 am    Post subject:

Mini Mamba wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Okafor. Wingspan, mitts, strength, base, skill level, mobile.

Towns is more set up for the modern NBA, but it becomes less relevant if everyone else can shoot.

It's not like Okafor can't learn to shoot either.

He doesn't need a jumpshot to be a star.


Okafor looks very polished offensively but how is he defensively? Also what is his ceiling? Can he be a 20/10 type of player in the future?


He's going to be terrible with PnR defense, but he can protect the paint and grab plenty of boards.

Career 20/10 with dynamic footwork. Healthy. Strong. Mitts.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 6:30 pm    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
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Mike@LG wrote:
Okafor. Wingspan, mitts, strength, base, skill level, mobile.

Towns is more set up for the modern NBA, but it becomes less relevant if everyone else can shoot.

It's not like Okafor can't learn to shoot either.

He doesn't need a jumpshot to be a star.


ya i probly said that prematurely. it's just a bit hard to picture a player be an offensive star getting ALL of his points in the paint/low post. Hard to picture cuz you just don't see it today.


It's only because no one really has the skill to do so.

Al Jefferson does great with his physical tools. More size and wingspan? 20/10.


Al also has a jumper to boot as well tho. but no doubt Al does great in the low post, maybe the best in the league. If Okafor can do what Al does in the post then he'll be 20/10 easy
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 6:32 pm    Post subject:

KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Okafor. Wingspan, mitts, strength, base, skill level, mobile.

Towns is more set up for the modern NBA, but it becomes less relevant if everyone else can shoot.

It's not like Okafor can't learn to shoot either.

He doesn't need a jumpshot to be a star.


ya i probly said that prematurely. it's just a bit hard to picture a player be an offensive star getting ALL of his points in the paint/low post. Hard to picture cuz you just don't see it today.


It's only because no one really has the skill to do so.

Al Jefferson does great with his physical tools. More size and wingspan? 20/10.


Al also has a jumper to boot as well tho. but no doubt Al does great in the low post, maybe the best in the league. If Okafor can do what Al does in the post then he'll be 20/10 easy


Jefferson didn't have the jumpshot to start.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:26 pm    Post subject:

LakerLand247 wrote:
From the video above Karl Towns game, his mobility, gait and low post moves remind me of a prime Andrew Bynum.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJu8j9SyaGo&feature=player_detailpage#t=32

I get that impression too. And I loved prime Bynum which to me was 07-08 before the first injury.

He was a better overall player to me than his reign under Mike Brown
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:27 pm    Post subject:

Mike@LG which would you prefer next to randle?

And Turner looks impressive too from that vid keep it posted
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 3:35 pm    Post subject:

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Mike@LG which would you prefer next to randle?

And Turner looks impressive too from that vid keep it posted


Not big on Turner.
http://youtu.be/sU_qZL9LevA?t=5m24s

Want Okafor. Plenty of experience. Ready to produce from game one. Healthy. Wingspan. Mitts. No weird issues running or with physique.

Towns is far more skilled. Concerned that he's top heavy.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 3:36 pm    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
Okafor. Wingspan, mitts, strength, base, skill level, mobile.

Towns is more set up for the modern NBA, but it becomes less relevant if everyone else can shoot.

It's not like Okafor can't learn to shoot either.

He doesn't need a jumpshot to be a star.



Towns has a 1 inch difference in his wingspan, and is 1 1/2 taller. Weighs 20 lbs less but more mobile. So I don't know if Okafor has any advantages anymore. Towns biggest problem was he didn't play against high competition because his parents didn't believe in AAU and they believed in his education, so they kept him at a bad high school. Much like Anthony davis you couldn't tell what you had. Right now he looks pretty dang good.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 3:42 pm    Post subject:

Justwar wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Okafor. Wingspan, mitts, strength, base, skill level, mobile.

Towns is more set up for the modern NBA, but it becomes less relevant if everyone else can shoot.

It's not like Okafor can't learn to shoot either.

He doesn't need a jumpshot to be a star.



Towns has a 1 inch difference in his wingspan, and is 1 1/2 taller. Weighs 20 lbs less but more mobile. So I don't know if Okafor has any advantages anymore. Towns biggest problem was he didn't play against high competition because his parents didn't believe in AAU and they believed in his education, so they kept him at a bad high school. Much like Anthony davis you couldn't tell what you had. Right now he looks pretty dang good.


Disagree.

Anthony was a skinny center, a point guard that just happened to grow.

Did we not learn what happens with bigmen who are top heavy? Bynum lacked explosion, worked his tail off to get it, and now has knee issues.

I think people are so concerned about upside, but are forgetting about health, polished skill, and an NBA ready body.

Okafor's advantage would just be strength. He'll be terrible defending the perimeter and PnR situations. Town may be better. I'm concerned about explosiveness and quickness on a top heavy guy.

Okafor can't really fix that, but he'll be a consistent paint presence on both ends.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 4:03 pm    Post subject:

Towns leaping ability measured at the combine equal to those of Noah and Zeller, two athletic bigs. His lane agility was 11th overall of all the times taken in 2014. He's not the same kid anyone saw in HS.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 4:06 pm    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
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Mike@LG which would you prefer next to randle?

And Turner looks impressive too from that vid keep it posted


Not big on Turner.
http://youtu.be/sU_qZL9LevA?t=5m24s

Want Okafor. Plenty of experience. Ready to produce from game one. Healthy. Wingspan. Mitts. No weird issues running or with physique.

Towns is far more skilled. Concerned that he's top heavy.


Turner's "lack of explosion" is pretty much false. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoX6y2PJeq4 as you can see in this video.
If he gains 3 inches on his vertical, which a lot of players do when with NBA training/college training, then he'll be a high flyer. the question is if he can do that while also putting on 15 pounds over the next couple years. Seriously, 3 more inches on his vertical and he's blocking everything.
My "issue" with Turner is that I'm completely unsure of how he'll operate on offense. He has the skill off the dribble to take Centers to the rack from 18-20 feet, and hit the J ( so is he guna play just like Randle?). Because i don't see him getting strong enough to be very effective in the post. Is he going to be a highpost one-dribble turnaround J guy like Aldridge? idk..
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 6:21 pm    Post subject:

While Turner has some explosiveness, I've seen better out of elite project centers.

What you're seeing is Turner's explosiveness twindle when he deals with contact.

With Okafor, there's no concern. He has an NBA body. He's not the most explosive guy, but has a good combination of hands, wingspan, strength, base, and footwork.

He has no issues banging in the paint.

Imagine what that looks like with NBA training?

Aldridge played like a senior Brian Cook as a freshman. He just wasn't hitting consistently from the perimeter as a young pup.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:09 am    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
Justwar wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Okafor. Wingspan, mitts, strength, base, skill level, mobile.

Towns is more set up for the modern NBA, but it becomes less relevant if everyone else can shoot.

It's not like Okafor can't learn to shoot either.

He doesn't need a jumpshot to be a star.



Towns has a 1 inch difference in his wingspan, and is 1 1/2 taller. Weighs 20 lbs less but more mobile. So I don't know if Okafor has any advantages anymore. Towns biggest problem was he didn't play against high competition because his parents didn't believe in AAU and they believed in his education, so they kept him at a bad high school. Much like Anthony davis you couldn't tell what you had. Right now he looks pretty dang good.


Disagree.

Anthony was a skinny center, a point guard that just happened to grow.

Did we not learn what happens with bigmen who are top heavy? Bynum lacked explosion, worked his tail off to get it, and now has knee issues.

I think people are so concerned about upside, but are forgetting about health, polished skill, and an NBA ready body.

Okafor's advantage would just be strength. He'll be terrible defending the perimeter and PnR situations. Town may be better. I'm concerned about explosiveness and quickness on a top heavy guy.

Okafor can't really fix that, but he'll be a consistent paint presence on both ends.


if he's going to be terrible at pick and roll defense and perimeter situations, that's the center you want behind Randle?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 7:19 pm    Post subject:

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if he's going to be terrible at pick and roll defense and perimeter situations, that's the center you want behind Randle?


Yes. Because he'll kill it on the backboards and in the paint offensively.

Looking for BPA, not best fit next to other player.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 7:29 pm    Post subject:

Towns is a better fit with Randle, but Okafor is the best prospect. Towns is a 3 year project, I think Okafor can step in from the start and have a big impact in the paint and on the boards.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 8:05 pm    Post subject:

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if he's going to be terrible at pick and roll defense and perimeter situations, that's the center you want behind Randle?


Yes. Because he'll kill it on the backboards and in the paint offensively.

Looking for BPA, not best fit next to other player.


I think we should go with Okafor especially since he looks more ready to contribute which will be important in Kobe's final season.

Hopefully we can re-sign Davis and have him replace Okafor late in games for defensive purposes.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 8:37 pm    Post subject:

I love both of these prospects and it seems like a really good draft for centers in general. Honestly, centers are making a comeback so it may be a good idea to grab okafor if you can but Its tough to pass on mudiay. Especially when we're the only team lacking an impact PG. Turner looks really good too and may be available with the Houston pick. If he's around after the lottery we should trade up for him using hills expiring contract.

Who wouldn't be very happy with this draft.

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