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Jeggs Star Player
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:25 am Post subject: 36yo Kobe shooting 39% Prime Melo shooting 38% Prime LBJ 43% Prime Harden 39% etc. |
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Just a comparison that I thought would be interesting to update once a week since Kobe's FG% and shot attempts are always an issue for the select few...and it's always fun to compare Kobe to a couple of superstars in their prime....
As of 11/11/2014
Kobe Bryant: 39%
James Harden: 39%
Lebron James: 44%
Carmelo Anthony: 38%
Derrick Rose: 45%
Westbrook: 41%
Now after looking at this list...I think it doesn't look so bad for Kobe...just saying. There is only one player on this list that is not in their prime...BTW. And I'd argue Kobe has less talent around him than all these guys...and the Lakers have had the toughest schedule out of all these guys as well.
I'm surprised D. Rose has the highest FG% out of the bunch with the ankle issues and what not.
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driver Star Player
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:32 am Post subject: |
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If Kobe stops taking the harder 2v1 and 3v1 shots, it'll go up to his standard.
He's been doing too much. Trust in Lin or Wes to take the open-outside shots. He's not gonna be able to do what he did when he played with Luke and...Smush. |
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Vin Star Player
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:33 am Post subject: |
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39% is horrible for Kobe. No comparison make it looks better. No way he shoots that low for the year though. He needs to get some legs under him, so many of his midrange shots are short. |
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KeepItRealOrElse Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:34 am Post subject: |
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39% for Harden. Kobe shoots bad shots, thats why his % is low |
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Jeggs Star Player
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:37 am Post subject: |
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KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | 39% for Harden. Kobe shoots bad shots, thats why his % is low |
Updated to reflect Harden..."the best shooting guard in the game" lol. I can't believe Harden's percentage is that low considering the foul calls he gets.
Kobe gets more criticism for FG% than any other player in the game. And you look at all these premiere stars around the league this early in the season...and he's not that far off.
And if you think about it only Westbrook might come close to taking as many difficult shots as Kobe. |
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driver Star Player
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:40 am Post subject: |
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KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | 39% for Harden. Kobe shoots bad shots, thats why his % is low |
He's always done 2-3 "bad shots" in a game but this year, he's pushing himself way too hard by doing these 2v1 guarded or sometimes just shooting a lower % shot when a person is wide open.
My dad and I have seen him do to much of the "I win it myself" mentality in the first few games. Do or die, he's got no choice but to trust the other teammates. 36 yr Kobe has to come to terms. |
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Jeggs Star Player
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:43 am Post subject: |
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driver wrote: | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | 39% for Harden. Kobe shoots bad shots, thats why his % is low |
He's always done 2-3 "bad shots" in a game but this year, he's pushing himself way too hard by doing these 2v1 guarded or sometimes just shooting a lower % shot when a person is wide open.
My dad and I have seen him do to much of the "I win it myself" mentality in the first few games. Do or die, he's got no choice but to trust the other teammates. 36 yr Kobe has to come to terms. |
You want him to come to terms 6 games into the season...that's crazy. I think he's earned the right to continue to test himself and knock the rust off. |
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Gwyn Star Player
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:54 am Post subject: |
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He's done!
Honestly I'm not surprised at all, Kobe has never been shy in firing off last second shots.
If he would just refuse to take a lot of those shots, his FG% would go up. _________________ Lakers win record when Kobe goes for 40+ points
God bless Kobe Bean Bryant and Gianna Maria Onore Bryant. |
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Vin Star Player
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:56 am Post subject: |
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The difference is that Kobe with the ball isn't gonna create as many easy shots for himself as he used to so it's natural that his %es are gonna suffer especially being surrounded by scrubs like he is. But still the shots he's missing at the rim and from mid range are an abberration and he will not miss thoses forever. |
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CBaller8 Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:18 am Post subject: |
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HGH testing |
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Iconic Star Player
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:31 am Post subject: |
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Shooting 39% and taking 24 shots a game? That's a little alarming |
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-Showtime- Starting Rotation
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 2:46 am Post subject: Re: 36yo Kobe shooting 39% Prime Melo shooting 38% Prime LBJ 43% Prime Harden 39% etc. |
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Jeggs wrote: | Just a comparison that I thought would be interesting to update once a week since Kobe's FG% and shot attempts are always an issue for the select few...and it's always fun to compare Kobe to a couple of superstars in their prime....
As of 11/11/2014
Kobe Bryant: 39%
James Harden: 39%
Lebron James: 44%
Carmelo Anthony: 38%
Derrick Rose: 45%
Westbrook: 41%
Now after looking at this list...I think it doesn't look so bad for Kobe...just saying. There is only one player on this list that is not in their prime...BTW. And I'd argue Kobe has less talent around him than all these guys...and the Lakers have had the toughest schedule out of all these guys as well.
I'm surprised D. Rose has the highest FG% out of the bunch with the ankle issues and what not. |
Kobe shooting the same percentage as Harden. |
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Will2Win Star Player
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 2:53 am Post subject: Re: 36yo Kobe shooting 39% Prime Melo shooting 38% Prime LBJ 43% Prime Harden 39% etc. |
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-Showtime- wrote: | Jeggs wrote: | Just a comparison that I thought would be interesting to update once a week since Kobe's FG% and shot attempts are always an issue for the select few...and it's always fun to compare Kobe to a couple of superstars in their prime....
As of 11/11/2014
Kobe Bryant: 39%
James Harden: 39%
Lebron James: 44%
Carmelo Anthony: 38%
Derrick Rose: 45%
Westbrook: 41%
Now after looking at this list...I think it doesn't look so bad for Kobe...just saying. There is only one player on this list that is not in their prime...BTW. And I'd argue Kobe has less talent around him than all these guys...and the Lakers have had the toughest schedule out of all these guys as well.
I'm surprised D. Rose has the highest FG% out of the bunch with the ankle issues and what not. |
Kobe shooting the same percentage as Harden. |
Are you sure, after all Kobe can't possibly be shooting the same percentage as the best shooting guard in the league and perhaps ever in Harden. I mean damn after all Kobe is 40th. |
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Runway8 Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 2:59 am Post subject: |
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A slow start for a lot of stars. Lebron is still effecting the game in all other areas and he's obviously going to get that % up. Harden compensates by getting to the line a little more and shooting over 90%. And they don't shoot as much as Kobe who's way ahead of the pack in shot attempts. So the mamba is still the least efficient on that list. But Kobe looks in terrific shape for a 36 year old, and if he can control himself, he'll get that % up. Part of it I think is his zeal to show us, "look at what kind of shape I'm in!" He needs to be around his career average if we're really hoping for the playoffs. |
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akk7 Star Player
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 6:15 am Post subject: |
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Haven''t looked at the other guys, but Harden has been much more efficient than Kobe. Looking at just FG% isn't accurate. Harden is shooting the three extremely efficiently and is getting to the line at a high clip and hitting his free throws at a high clip. He's basically averaging the same amount of points as Kobe with about 7-8 less shots.
So just looking at fg% is not even half the story. Kobe has been awfully inefficient so far. I expect him to turn it around hopefully. |
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haoafu Rookie
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 7:08 am Post subject: |
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What's the comparison of true shooting percentage? I think that accounts for freethrows and 3 pointers to give a better idea. |
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sidestep Sixth Man
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 7:10 am Post subject: |
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akk7 wrote: | Haven''t looked at the other guys, but Harden has been much more efficient than Kobe. Looking at just FG% isn't accurate. Harden is shooting the three extremely efficiently and is getting to the line at a high clip and hitting his free throws at a high clip. He's basically averaging the same amount of points as Kobe with about 7-8 less shots.
So just looking at fg% is not even half the story. Kobe has been awfully inefficient so far. I expect him to turn it around hopefully. |
Here's the same list but using True Shooting
As of 11/11/2014
Kobe Bryant: 43.8%
James Harden: 58.4%
Lebron James: 56.1%
Carmelo Anthony: 45.7%
Derrick Rose: 56.6%
Westbrook: 55.5% |
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sidestep Sixth Man
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 7:11 am Post subject: |
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akk7 wrote: | Haven''t looked at the other guys, but Harden has been much more efficient than Kobe. Looking at just FG% isn't accurate. Harden is shooting the three extremely efficiently and is getting to the line at a high clip and hitting his free throws at a high clip. He's basically averaging the same amount of points as Kobe with about 7-8 less shots.
So just looking at fg% is not even half the story. Kobe has been awfully inefficient so far. I expect him to turn it around hopefully. |
Here's the same list but using True Shooting %:
As of 11/11/2014
Kobe Bryant: 43.8 TS%
James Harden: 58.4 TS%
Lebron James: 56.1 TS%
Carmelo Anthony: 45.7 TS%
Derrick Rose: 56.6 TS%
Westbrook: 55.5 TS% |
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70sdude Star Player
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 7:15 am Post subject: |
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Well, small sample sets can be misleading. Six games in ? That's pretty dang small. I'm restraining myself from comparing his season-to-date work with anyone or with his own past, in particular, so far. |
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 7:24 am Post subject: |
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sidestep wrote: | Here's the same list but using True Shooting
As of 11/11/2014
Kobe Bryant: 43.8%
James Harden: 58.4%
Lebron James: 56.1%
Carmelo Anthony: 45.7%
Derrick Rose: 56.6%
Westbrook: 55.5% |
I think you mean .483 (or 48.3%, if you prefer that format) for Kobe. That's not bad, given that Kobe is coming off an injury. Carmelo doesn't have that excuse. |
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 7:26 am Post subject: |
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I thought "stats" and "advanced stats" were evil and agenda based? (Caveman Lawyer voice from SNL). _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 7:30 am Post subject: |
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It's not all bad shots with Kobe. A lot of his shots just seem to have no lift on them which I attribute to age. Hopefully he gets more consistent legs as the season goes on. |
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 7:52 am Post subject: |
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Another Jeggs production. Don't even bother trying to explain math. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 7:53 am Post subject: |
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Where are klay and derozan's stats? _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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greenfrog Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 7:56 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Where are klay and derozan's stats? |
I'm guessing they didn't the narrative. This is a dishonest spin job worthy of Fox & Friends approval, Jeggs. |
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